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OK, we are getting back into the old patterns of things, so maybe this will snap people back to the fact that I am determined to not have the old pattern return. On this thread, there was a ton of baiting, a ton of personal attacks, some veiled racism, and quite a few posts that striked me as literally indicative of insanity on the part of the poster— if the poster meant what he said. Y’all have to do a better job self-policing or these discussions won’t happen. And I do not buy the argument that one side wants that to happen. I see threasds where one side starts it, I see threads where the other side starts it. I see threads started where it seem the person posting the thread is the one who is doing things to start the thread down the path to being pulled, backroomed, or locked. I’m going to post to the individuals I see doing these unconstructive things but anyone who thinks “I am talking about them not me” is not getting the point. Everyone can do their part to make these threads better. Even someone who never has posted anything which is bad can help by helping to tell those they agree with on issues to back off when they are doing things like flaming or tinfoiling or baiting. This is going to take effort, and some are making it and some are not. Please make it.



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Hill Cool to Bush Immigration Plan
Washington Post ^ | 1/11/04 | Helen Dewar

Posted on 01/10/2004 9:33:03 PM PST by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

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To: Sabertooth
Oh, I see. Loyalty to the group or to the common ideology becomes more important than fealty to the rule of law, albeit simple forum rules.
121 posted on 01/11/2004 12:24:46 AM PST by Cultural Jihad
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To: Cultural Jihad
WhineR is a whiner, after all.

Is that statement ever a case of psychological projection

You are the worst whiner and abuse button cry-baby on this forum.

What is it about you that makes you averse to free speeech?

Could it be lack of confidence in your ideas or your skill in argument?

Could it be that you are continually routed in argument?

Could it be you have an ideology that is averse to free speech and spent many centuries repressing it?

122 posted on 01/11/2004 12:26:30 AM PST by WackyKat
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To: jocon307
Bush's proposal does not even address this, except to give some hollow promise that "the borders will be protected". He doesn't even discuss student immigration, which was the source of the 9/11 terrorists.

He didn't need to, The Patriot Act did that but I'll bet you hate the Patriot Act too.

123 posted on 01/11/2004 12:27:43 AM PST by Texasforever
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To: Texasforever
HINT...it ain't W. Look what he's done in three years and tell me just how he differs from a Liberal.
124 posted on 01/11/2004 12:34:31 AM PST by ETERNAL WARMING
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To: WackyKat
Could it be you have an ideology that is averse to free speech and spent many centuries repressing it?

Your speech has been very free around here so stop whining. You seem to feel that "free speech" means you can verbalize any thing and the moment you are called on it you are being censored.

125 posted on 01/11/2004 12:37:55 AM PST by Texasforever
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To: ETERNAL WARMING
HINT...it ain't W. Look what he's done in three years and tell me just how he differs from a Liberal.

Well for one thing he pisses off all the right people. When he has the loony right and the loonier left foaming at the mouth in epileptic seizures it tells me that he is spot on. I gauge a politician by the enemies he makes and all of Bush’s enemies are the ones I would choose for myself.

126 posted on 01/11/2004 12:41:44 AM PST by Texasforever
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To: Cultural Jihad
Oh, I see. Loyalty to the group or to the common ideology becomes more important than fealty to the rule of law, albeit simple forum rules

Strange that you uphold rules on FR yet have no problem with those who break our laws by being here illegally.
127 posted on 01/11/2004 12:45:10 AM PST by ETERNAL WARMING
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To: Texasforever
No, I think I support the Patriot Act. I've actually been trying to ignore it (horrors!). What does it say about student immigration?
128 posted on 01/11/2004 12:45:11 AM PST by jocon307 ( The dems don't get it, the American people do.)
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To: jocon307
What does it say about student immigration?

How can you support something you haven't read? I am not here to tutor you ...it is out there. I see a lot of this around here, opinions expressed out of willful ignorance and it is troubling.

129 posted on 01/11/2004 12:49:11 AM PST by Texasforever
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To: jocon307
If you have google just type in "student visa patriot act" you will get many references.
130 posted on 01/11/2004 12:51:58 AM PST by Texasforever
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To: WRhine
An arrogant socialist to boot. 20 quatloos on WhineR
131 posted on 01/11/2004 12:52:17 AM PST by At _War_With_Liberals
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To: jocon307
Bayonne bump!
132 posted on 01/11/2004 12:58:13 AM PST by At _War_With_Liberals
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To: Texasforever
"Well for one thing he pisses off all the right people. When he has the loony right and the loonier left foaming at the mouth in epileptic seizures it tells me that he is spot on."

Reminds me of the tale SofS Colin Powell told about one of his early conversations with President Bush. (I paraphrase)

"Mr. President, I don't know what do do, people on the left say I am too conservative and the people on the right say I am too liberal.

President Bush replied, 'That's exactly where I want you.'"

President Bush's first three years have been a wonderful ride for anyone truly interested in the "Conservative" cause. If he goes down to defeat this year (which if History repeats, which it often does in US Politics, tells us he will) this time will be remembered as being one of the most exciting Political times in our History.

And if you think you've got it bad now, just wait. The AgJobs bill, which Bush's plan co-opts, will make them Citizens.

133 posted on 01/11/2004 1:04:14 AM PST by TommyUdo (The Democrat Party--Proudly Pimpin' off Po' Folk Since 1964)
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To: TommyUdo
(which if History repeats, which it often does in US Politics, tells us he will)

I guess if that history is limited to his father then you could be right but real history bodes well for GW and the GOP. These folks around here calling themselves he "base" are in deep denial. Their definition of "base" was factored out in 1996 when they sat on their hands and let Dole lose to Clinton. After they did it in 92 with Perot and the 2 million that sat at home in 2000 they were written off completely. There is a new "base" in town and it is not the one the FR unappeasables are talking about.

134 posted on 01/11/2004 1:16:54 AM PST by Texasforever
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To: Mr. Mojo
In all honesty, would you support the exact same plan if it were proposed by a 'Rat Prez?

Of course! It's a reasoned, rational, realistic measure. No RAT would have the guts or integrity to propose it.

135 posted on 01/11/2004 1:24:39 AM PST by ArneFufkin
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To: Texasforever
Thank you, I did that, and in a sob-sister feature piece I found this:

"One provision of the Patriot Act is a mandate that all male citizens between the ages of 16 and 45 from certain countries including Indonesia undergo a special registration."

Now, this is good. But of course, females should be included also, and this should be amended right away to ensure that, otherwise it's bound to be Fatima Somebody who is the first suicide bomber on a US campus.

But where, oh where, is the provision that they leave? And why, oh why, are we so encouraging that they come here?

And are the colleges complying with this? I know they mightily resist it. The academics wish for the destruction of America more than any other group. Of course, in their over-educated stupidity they envision it will be replaced by a latte-flavored world of perfection. But I don't trust them.
136 posted on 01/11/2004 1:30:20 AM PST by jocon307 ( The dems don't get it, the American people do.)
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To: Cultural Jihad
Oh, I see. Loyalty to the group or to the common ideology becomes more important than fealty to the rule of law, albeit simple forum rules.

What do you see? Where?

I saw a couple of hotheads who don't like each other much, blustering and tossing insults, and took a shot at defusing the situation.

Now I see you sniffing about fealty to forum guidelines, on the heals of your own violations of the same.

Is that what you meant by "loyalty to the group or to the common ideology?"


137 posted on 01/11/2004 1:40:08 AM PST by Sabertooth (Eighteen solutions better than any Amnesty - http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1053318/posts)
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To: Texasforever
Actually, I was thinking of John and John Quincy, also.

But you are correct, I think (hope?) the "Conservative" nature of the "moment of truth" in the polling booth will carry the day. The marginalization of the "base" has been factored in. I'm seeing alot of Dean Bumper Stickers, but this is CA.

I am really worried about Florida, though. I just don't think it's the "lock" people think it is, due in part, to the "Radicalization" of the Granny set, which the Demos have done well.

Geeze, I can't type anymore. Need rest. I must go and bow before the Shrine of the Bushbot, check my messages from M.E.Ch.A., send a transcipt of this to the Illuminati and hit the rack.

Later, Gentlemen, it's been a pleasure.

138 posted on 01/11/2004 1:40:23 AM PST by TommyUdo (The Democrat Party--Proudly Pimpin' off Po' Folk Since 1964)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
Agreed. There are a wholly disconcerting number of so-called "conservatives" on this very board, in fact, for whom the words "suggestion" or "proposal" (apparently) equal the word "law." This says a good deal more regarding said "conservatives," methinks, than it does about GWB. :)

I think not. IMO, President Bush even suggesting this "plan" is ludicrous and should be an eye opener to anyone that's awake. Criminals and law breakers should never be rewarded, and the mere suggestion of rewarding them should be met with contempt.

139 posted on 01/11/2004 1:47:31 AM PST by Joe Hadenuf (I failed anger management class, they decided to give me a passing grade anyway)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
*BUMP*!
140 posted on 01/11/2004 1:49:01 AM PST by ex-Texan
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