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Terri's Fight - (Daily Thread/Updates) November 11-13
Various | November 10, 2003 | sweetliberty

Posted on 11/10/2003 8:35:02 PM PST by sweetliberty

TERRI'S FIGHT
(Thread 7 - November 11-13)

Link back to thread 6 - (Nov.8-10)
Link back to thread 5 - (Nov. 5-7)
Link back to thread 4 - (Nov. 3-4)
Link back to thread 3 (Nov. 1-2)
Link back to thread 2 - (Oct. 30-31)
Link back to thread 1 - (Oct. 29)

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Contained in Thread 6:

*Correction on thread 6. In the heading where it says, "contained in thread 4," it should read, "contained in thread 5."

Contact information for Judge Greer, probate documents listed for Terry and Michael Schiavo, article from April, 2001 when Terri's feeding tube was ordered by Judge Quesada to be put back in pending deposition of Cindy Shook Brashers, link to clip of Steve Schiavo calling in to Glenn Beck's program, link to information on Schiavo/Centonze property value, link to transcript of On the Record interview with Ken Connor, link to American Patriot Friends Network, link to hospicepatients.org website, article about the testimony of Trudy Capone, link to post about co-sponsor of Terri's Bill in the House, Frank Attkisson giving legal reasons for the need for intervention on Terri's behalf, link to Hospice Patients Alliance website, statement that 9 neurologists have said that Terri is NOT in a PVS, Washington, D.C.contact information via email/fax, summary of legal expenses that Schiavo paid out of the money awarded to him for Terri’s care and rehabilitation, also see chart here for summary of legal expenses, This Round to Terri, But Fight Not Over article in Catholic Standard & Times (10/23/2003), another article, Schindlers Wonder What Happened the Night Terri Collapsed form Catholic Standard and Times:, and a serious question that is raised and needs to be researched.

Also in thread 6 (breaking it down into 2 paragraphs due to the length): information on holdings of Jodi Centonze, was Terri beaten(?), liability claims against Terri’s doctors, chronology of cases against Michael Schiavo, Schiavo v. Bush, who’s paying hospice(?), some quotes from George Felos’ book here and here, Jodi Centonze insurance connections, link to Village Voice article: Lying about Terri Schiavo, federal prohibition of use of funds for assisted suicide and euthanasia, the model husband according to George Felos (also see addition here), findings of Florida medical board on Dr. Hammersfahr and some facts about Judge Greer regarding this case.

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Click on pic for Terri's website
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This thread serves as a place for posting all new general information and references, along with links following Terri's case, plus information on cable news and talk radio shows dealing with the issue, court cases and press releases. This is also the place to post contact information, prayers and general discussion.

If you have something that qualifies as BREAKING NEWS or FRONT PAGE NEWS, please post it on a separate thread in that category in order to give it maximum exposure and then post a link to the article/thread here so that it will be included in the next update of links. Also, if you post links to articles from original sources and there is also a thread on FR, please link to the FR thread. Many original links become corrupt over time and we want to be able to access the information at will.

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"Where can I go from Your Spirit? Or where can I flee from Your presence? If I ascend to heaven, You are there; If I make my bed in Sheol, behold, You are there. If I take the wings of the dawn, If I dwell in the remotest part of the sea, Even there Your hand will lead me, And Your right hand will lay hold of me. If I say, "Surely the darkness will overwhelm me, And the light around me will be night," Even the darkness is not dark to You, And the night is as bright as the day. Darkness and light are alike {to You.} For You formed my inward parts; You wove me in my mother's womb. I will give thanks to You, for I am fearfully and wonderfully made; Wonderful are Your works, And my soul knows it very well. My frame was not hidden from You, When I was made in secret, {And} skillfully wrought in the depths of the earth; Your eyes have seen my unformed substance; And in Your book were all written The days that were ordained {for me,} When as yet there was not one of them. (Ps. 139: 7-16)

1 posted on 11/10/2003 8:35:03 PM PST by sweetliberty
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To: Budge; Pegita; cyn; Ladysmith; Calpernia; Babalu; floriduh voter; dandelion; PleaseNoMore; ...
Terri's Army ping!

If you want on or off of this ping list, please let me know.

2 posted on 11/10/2003 8:41:46 PM PST by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
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To: sweetliberty
Thanks for the new thread sweetliberty.
3 posted on 11/10/2003 8:49:22 PM PST by pollywog (Psalm 121;1 I Lift mine eyes to the hills from whence cometh my help.)
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To: sweetliberty; .38sw; 2nd amendment mama; 2ndMostConservativeBrdMember; 4Godsoloved..Hegave; ...
LIFE and LIBERTY BUMP!

Let me remind everyone that the events that are unfolding in the U.S. Senate this week are critical. The Democrat's unprecedented filibuster of any judicial nominee that is pro-life or a Christian must be challenged with all of our might!

I will be there all night Wednesday and Thursday nights helping coordinate the dozens of press conferences that will be held every half hour.

If anyone is near DC, they should come and be part of these historic events by helping fill the galleries with supporters of a return to a constitutional process for advice and consent of the President's nominees.

If you can't be there, maximum pressure needs to be applied to every single Senator, no matter their political stripe, to simply allow an up or down vote on these judges.

At the same time, we need to do everything in our power to make the American people aware of what is really going on here.
4 posted on 11/10/2003 8:49:30 PM PST by EternalVigilance
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To: EternalVigilance
At the same time, we need to do everything in our power to make the American people aware of what is really going on here.

I'm trying .. I think I'm about to over load my email system

5 posted on 11/10/2003 8:54:28 PM PST by Mo1 (http://www.favewavs.com/wavs/cartoons/spdemocrats.wav)
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To: EternalVigilance
Thank you so much EternalVigilance, for standing in the gap for all of us here on the westcoast who cannot be in DC. I pray that God will move mightly on our land with a revival of cleansing and restoration!!!!I will be emailing the senators tomorrow...
6 posted on 11/10/2003 8:56:58 PM PST by pollywog (Psalm 121;1 I Lift mine eyes to the hills from whence cometh my help.)
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To: Mo1
LOL...that's great, Mo1.

If every Republican will overload their email service, as well as the Senate switchboards, things will change here.
7 posted on 11/10/2003 8:57:41 PM PST by EternalVigilance
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To: Mo1
I'm trying .. I think I'm about to over load my email system

You have that right!! I need to " hire" someone to come in once a week and " clean my computer email box" LOLOL! forget the HOUSE!!

8 posted on 11/10/2003 8:59:18 PM PST by pollywog (Psalm 121;1 I Lift mine eyes to the hills from whence cometh my help.)
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To: EternalVigilance
Bump!
9 posted on 11/10/2003 8:59:30 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: sweetliberty
What a nice scripture to start this thread! Thanks for all your work putting and keeping this info together.
10 posted on 11/10/2003 9:00:42 PM PST by cyn (http://www.terrisfight.org)
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To: pollywog; All
Excellent!

I don't want to overtake the Terri thread with this--but it is another very important front in the same war.

May God richly bless every one of you that have stood so stalwartly for Terri. By standing for the individual, made in God's image, we ultimately stand for the unalienable right to life and liberty for all.
11 posted on 11/10/2003 9:01:02 PM PST by EternalVigilance
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To: sweetliberty
Psalm 139 has always been my personal favorite. Thank you for posting it, even if not in its entirety.
12 posted on 11/10/2003 9:07:33 PM PST by Ohioan from Florida
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To: bvw
I really do like these history lessons, I do like to hear form those that have different points fo voiw than mine. However they really are not appropriate for the Terri daily threads. (Particularly when I'm on probation with at least one of the Admin Moderators over this subject.) If you wish to continue to relate Civil War and Indian War history vis a vis Gen. W.T. Sherman comparing it to the modern battle against the Death Culture with me please take it to this old song update thread of mine which is appropriate to both subjects.

Coral Snake Song: Marching Through Georgia (The Hospice, murder and evidence burning)

13 posted on 11/10/2003 9:11:07 PM PST by Coral Snake (deathculture(HospiceOf TheFlorida$uncoast == Andersonville + Aushwitz)
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To: sweetliberty
Michael Schiavo's Girlfriend -Radio Interview

This interview can be heard online via this post.
Look for the section: SOUND FILES IN MP3 FORMAT

Girlfriend: I'm sort of personal with this case, because I'm the first person that Michael Schiavo dated after his wife had this heart attack... It was about three years after she had her heart attack...

Radiohost: Right...

Girlfriend: And he used to go visit her at the nursing home, while we were dating. He was really into taking care of her. It was before he ever filed his lawsuit.

Girlfriend: And he used to stay there a lot longer than he told me, because he said that he would... he's a real loud guy... and he would go thru the nursing home, and he said immediately umm, as soon as he got near the door, her head was already looking at the door, but that she would recognize his voice...

Radiohost: Right...

Girlfriend: ...and she would start crying when he got ready to leave. Umm, and he was like, "She is [unintelligible] to my life, and she is taking ALL of this time! And upsets my WHOLE LIFE with this, and this is ALL her fault. And, um, just a COMPLETE change!"

Radiohost: Really...

Girlfriend: Yea, and I was just like... "I don't even know WHO you ARE, but GET away from ME!"

Radiohost: How long did you date him?

Girlfriend: I dated him for a year.

Radio host: I talked to somebody else who knows the family personally, last time I did this show, and ahh, on this topic, and they said there was a little bit of an emotional abusive relationship going on with them? Do you know anything about that?

Girlfriend: I don't know from her, from him, but she was kindof heavy as a child, and-

Radiohost: And he would call her fat? and thats why she was so anorexic and bulemic right?

Girlfriend: She was bulemic and there is no way somebody can be taking all those laxa-
[the girlfriend seems to have no firsthand knowledge of Terri before her 'accident' and got this bulemia story from Michael]
Mikes very into, he's VERY possesive, he's VERY jealous, he stalked me at my... at where I worked, after I stopped dating him.

Girlfriend: When he would get mad at me, he would tell me, "I would rather be with HER, laying in that bed in the nursing home, than you". I mean, he can be the most INCREDIBLY MEAN person!

Radiohost: What a NICE GUY!

Girlfriend: Yea,

Radiohost: What a NICE guy!

Girlfriend: I just want to take a SHOWER after every time that I even, see or hear what's going on there.

Radiohost: GEEZ!

Girlfriend: I'm just sick.

[Transcripted for education and discussion purposes only, not guaranteed to be 100% accurate. ]


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Recent interviews/excerpts:
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"Hannity and Colmes" - Tuesday 10-14-03 --> (Terri's father) Bob Schindler: "MONEY and FOUL PLAY"

"On the Record with Greta" - Friday 10-24-03 --> Forensic Pathologist, Dr. Michael Baden: "Potassium imbalance UNLIKELY - HEALTHY heart - NECK TRAUMA"

"At Large with Geraldo Rivera" Sunday 10-26-03 --> author Christopher Darden and Harvard Law Professor Alan Dershowitz: "You have eternity to be dead; You only have a limited amount of time to live"

"Hannity and Colmes" - Monday 10-27-03 --> (father) Bob Schindler and (neurologist) Dr. William Hammesfahr: "She absolutely CAN be rehabilitated -clearly NEVER had heart attack -Emergency room: damaged neck"

"On the Record with Greta" - Monday 10-27-03 --> (attorney) Pat Anderson: "BIG FIGHT -attempted STRANGULATION"

"On the Record with Greta" - Tuesday 10-28-03 --> (attorney) Pat Anderson and (brother) Bobby Schindler: "failing marriage -DIVORCE imminent -Potassium explained":

"Hardball with with Chris Matthews" - Wednesday 10-29-03 --> (pro-Terri attorney for ACLJ) Jay Sekulow and (anti-Terri attorney) Joe Tacopina: "Matthews: I think the human issue here is... her eyes flickering... I think she's ALIVE":

"Larry King Live" - Monday 10-27-03 --> (husband) Michael Schiavo[barf alert]: THEY get money from the right wing ACTIVISTS - "Removing somebody's feeding is very painless. It is a very easy way to die" - [later] King: Would you take one[lie detector test]? - No

"The Abrams Report" - Monday 11-03-03 --> (Commentary) almost entirely pro-husband

"O'Reilly Factor" - Wednesday 11-05-03 --> (former "Vegetative State" patient) Kate Adamson: Being starved to death is EXTREMELY painful "It was SHEER torture!" - took her THREE MONTHS of ACUTE REHAB to snap out
Her website says: We stand behind Terri Schindler!

"The Abrams Report" - Thursday 11-06-03 --> (pro-Terri attorney) Pat Anderson and (pro-death attorney) George Felos: "Felos: Michael is a MODEL husband" - Anderson:"Terri got NO REHAB after $award$":

"On the Record with Greta" - Thursday 11-06-03 --> (Gov.Bush's lead attorney) Ken Connor, and followed by a panel discussion:
"Connor: INDEPENDENTLY investigate the circumstances and allegations...
Alred: Perhaps the PARENTS SHOULD care for her


"Radio Interview" --> (Michael Schiavo's so-called 1st girlfriend after Terri's so-called 'collapse')
MS: "[Terri] upsets my WHOLE LIFE with this, and this is ALL her fault."
GIRLFRIEND: "he can be the most INCREDIBLY MEAN person!"



14 posted on 11/10/2003 9:11:50 PM PST by Future Useless Eater (Freedom_Loving_Engineer)
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To: EternalVigilance
"At the same time, we need to do everything in our power to make the American people aware of what is really going on here."

Thanks for your work on this, EV. I'll donate an additional $50.00 to Bush/Cheney '04 if you'll stuff a dirty sock in Sen. Harry Reid's mouth? :)
15 posted on 11/10/2003 9:12:58 PM PST by windchime
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To: sweetliberty; EternalVigilance; floriduh voter; tutstar; Canticle_of_Deborah; JulieRNR21; ...
Transcripted
"Radio Interview" --> (Michael Schiavo's so-called 1st girlfriend after Terri's so-called 'collapse')
MS: "[Terri] upsets my WHOLE LIFE with this, and this is ALL her fault."
GIRLFRIEND: "he can be the most INCREDIBLY MEAN person!"

16 posted on 11/10/2003 9:13:02 PM PST by Future Useless Eater (Freedom_Loving_Engineer)
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To: FL_engineer
Thanks for posting that. I had heard it, but it is good to have the transcript.
17 posted on 11/10/2003 9:14:00 PM PST by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
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To: sweetliberty
Thank you, sweetliberty!
18 posted on 11/10/2003 9:14:42 PM PST by windchime
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To: EternalVigilance
>> At the same time, we need to do everything in our power to make the American people aware of what is really going on here.

On that, we have done amazingly well. Any public interest group will tell you, it is a very difficult thing to get a message out to millions of people. Yet undoubtedly millions of people across the country have become aware of Terri's plight, and most are sympathetic. You can see it in the level of news coverage everywhere, and in the growing respect for Terri's case.

I know several persons who were completely unsympathetic simply because they'd heard the standard media line. To them it seemed like another routine case of disconnecting a brain-dead patient. Their view changed dramatically when they learned the facts. Even the media have stopped using their more outrageous lies and adjectives like "comatose." Tell any woman you know about MS refusing to treat Terri's urinary tract infection, or about him stealing her engagement and wedding ring and melting them down to make a ring for himself. They don't need to know any more to figure out who's abusing whom.

We're doing okay, and God bless everyone who's helped. Pour it on!

19 posted on 11/10/2003 9:16:39 PM PST by T'wit
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To: EternalVigilance
If every Republican will overload their email service, as well as the Senate switchboards, things will change here.

Oh I'm not just talking the Senate .. I'm also taking it to the people

The media might not want to report was is really going on .. but one way or another I will do what I can to see that the people know

The discussions at my family's Thanksgiving this years should very entertaining .. *L*

20 posted on 11/10/2003 9:29:11 PM PST by Mo1 (http://www.favewavs.com/wavs/cartoons/spdemocrats.wav)
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To: Mo1
:-)

You're a great example for everyone, Mo.
21 posted on 11/10/2003 9:32:58 PM PST by EternalVigilance
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To: T'wit
The power of dedicated and motivated people, coupled with the incredible power of the net, is indeed awesome, and vastly underestimated by most, still.
22 posted on 11/10/2003 9:34:44 PM PST by EternalVigilance
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To: windchime
I'll donate an additional $50.00 to Bush/Cheney '04 if you'll stuff a dirty sock in Sen. Harry Reid's mouth? :)

ROFL...hey, I'm going to need every scrap of restraint I can dredge up being around up there. Don't tempt me! ;-)

23 posted on 11/10/2003 9:36:15 PM PST by EternalVigilance
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To: FL_engineer; sweetliberty
Here's what I don't understand about this -- and didn't understand when you first posted it it what, a week, 10 days ago?

The first few sentences make it sound like it 's a "good Michael" story -- how devoted he is, spends lots of time at nursing home, Terri is glad to hear his voice (so much for the out-of-it VEGETABLE theory, huh?!).

But then he's complaining -- at the same time he's doing this 'devoted husband' schtick. It just doesn't make sense. It would perhaps be helpful to add all these stories to the known timeline at terrisfight, see what was happening at this time -- 3 yrs after, 93, after lawsuit, Terri starting to be a problem, why is Michael still visiting her so much then?

Wait a minute, I need to post this on that other thread. . .girlfriend could not hardly be making this up: "as soon as he got near the door, her head was already looking at the door, but that she would recognize his voice... ...and she would start crying when he got ready to leave."
24 posted on 11/10/2003 9:37:48 PM PST by cyn (http://www.terrisfight.org)
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To: windchime
> I'll donate an additional $50.00 to Bush/Cheney '04 if you'll stuff a dirty sock in Sen. Harry Reid's mouth? :)

I believe you have invented the best new fundraising technique in years!

:-)

25 posted on 11/10/2003 9:43:15 PM PST by T'wit
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To: EternalVigilance
...The Democrat's unprecedented filibuster of any judicial nominee that is pro-life or a Christian...

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This is another thing that will backfire on the DemoRATS just like their anti-war, anti-tax cut and anti-life stances. I hope they never learn. Tough to imagine them being so self-destructive, but as the old saying goes, never get in the way of the enemy when he's destroying himself. Go Dems Go (away).
26 posted on 11/10/2003 9:49:32 PM PST by gooleyman
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To: All
can someone please give out the zip code of the hospice Terri ia at?? ty in advance
27 posted on 11/10/2003 9:50:27 PM PST by fiesti
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To: cyn
> girlfriend could not hardly be making this up: "as soon as he got near the door, her head was already looking at the door, but that she would recognize his voice... ...and she would start crying when he got ready to leave."

Years and years of neglect and sensory deprivation have taken a toll on Terri. It's ironic that trolls now point to her limited responsiveness -- to the very damage Michael has done to her -- as if that justifies him finishing her off. He should be the one locked away.

I have boundless hope for Terri, but she must have care, she must have love, she must see the sun. I wish we could all be there to give her that kitten. Michael Schiavo's hold must be broken and his appalling cruelty to her must be ended.

28 posted on 11/10/2003 10:01:36 PM PST by T'wit
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To: sweetliberty
From - CBS News Sunday Morning - Sunday 11-09-03

Martha Teischner reports over a series of pre-recorded video clips in this news magazine's lead story...

Teichner: If it weren't for THIS video, the one Terri Schiavo's parents made, and insist PROVES that their brain-damaged daughter is aware, and is trying to communicate...

(Terri's mom asking if Terri is tired today, and Terri smiling and responding)

(A doctor having asked Terri to open her eyes as far as possible, Terri complies by raising her head, opening her eyes fully, and lifting her eyebrows WAY UP! The doctor shouts: GOOD! Good JOB! Good Job young lady!)

Teichner: The fight over removal of her feeding tube, might have remained a tragic ugly family struggle. But the troubling image of Terri's eyes, her open mouth, the fact that she's been this way 13 years, has made her the symbol of a nation's struggle over the right to die.

Teichner: The hospice, in Pinellas Park Florida, where Terri Schiavo is a patient, has become a battlefront in America's political and idealogical culture wars.

(Terri's father is asked "Do you still think there's hope?" He responds calmly "Oh yea". A priest prays at the vigil: "Help us believe that you are aware of our anxieties, and will do what is best for Terri and for us")

Teichner: Camped out front: Right to life advocates, disability activists, and supporters of conservative causes. They stood by with Terri's parents, Bob and Mary Schindler, when a state court ordered Terri's feeding tube removed on October 15th.

(Terri's father: "I'm pleading to Governor Bush, [sobbing] as one dad to another... to save Terri)

Teichner: They were jubilent, six days later, when Governor Jeb Bush, backed by state lawmakers, in an unprecidented and possibly unconstitutional move, DID get involved, ordering the feeding tube re-connected.

(Gov Bush: In my prayers, I would hope that our legal system would recognize that the right to life, is as important as the right to terminate life support.)

Teichner: Without Bush's intervention, Terri Schiavo would have died within days. But the story isn't over. It will be up to the Florida Supreme Court to sort out whether the legislature's passage of what's being called "Terri's Law" was legal.

(Senator King: I keep on thinking, what if Terri didn't want this to happen at all? May God have mercy on all of us)

Teichner: The case is about trying to see inside Terri Schiavo's head. About trying to figure out, since SHE had no living will, what SHE would want under the circumstances, to LIVE? or to DIE? And, who has the right to determine that? Her husband? Her parents? the courts? or Governor Jeb Bush and the legislature?

(Larry King: What happend Michael, on February 25th, 1990?

Michael: "I'd say, about 4:30 in the morning, I was, for some reason, getting out of bed, and I heard a 'thud' in the hall. I raced out there, and Terri was laying in the hall.")

[body language note: Michael frequently looked down and to his left throughout those recollections.]

Teichner: Michael Schiavo, Terri's husband and her guardian, on Larry King Live...

(Michael: "I rolled her over, and she was lifeless.")

Teichner: Paramedics rushed her to THIS hospital [Northside Hospital & Heart Institute] They resuscitated her, saved her life, but her brain had been deprived of oxygen for five to ten minutes. Leaving her according to MOST, but not ALL of the doctors brought in to examined her, in a persistent vegetative state, with no HOPE of recovery.

(Attorney Felos: As a result of the lack of oxygen, from the cardiac arrest, Terri's cerebral cortex, or cerebrum, the center of consciousness and thought, began to decay, well it died, and then began to decay and atrophy.)

Teichner: George Felos, is Michael Schiavo's lawyer, and an author. Felos argued the landmark case that established the right of an individual to refuse unwanted medical treatment in Florida.

(Felos: Where her cerebral cortex used to be, is literally a giant black hole that is filled with spinal fluid)

(Doctor#1: Looking at this scan, without the actual patient, this is consistent with someone who could be in a persistent vegetative state, yes. You would expect this person to be exceedingly low-functioning. Not necessarily in a coma or unconscious, but certainly very low-functioning.)

Teichner: Dr Keith Siller is an Assistant Professor of Neurology at New York University Medical School.

(Doctor#1: This is a horrible scan.)

Teichner: We showed him Terri's brain scan because he has no vested interest in the Schiavo case.

(Doctor#1: Now this is what a normal scan should look like. In Terri Schiavo's scan over here, the person has lost the exterior brain, which is the cortex, and that's where all the functions originate from. So if you've lost cortex through atrophy, brain doesn't grow back. It's not going to recover. The problem is you have a gray zone here. That's a person who is not technically brain-DEAD, but in a functional sense, that person is not really brain-ALIVE, either. )

(Doctor#2 [who actually TESTED Terri for 4 hours]: "She is NOT in coma presently. She ABSOLUTELY CAN be rehabilitated. There is NO question about that")

Teichner: Neurologist William Hammesfahr, shown here with Terri's father on FoxNews, is one of the doctors who has given the Schindler family hope.

Teichner: Terri's CONDITION tops the list of things the two sides disagree on, as they LITERALLY fight over her life. Slinging accusations at each other, on national television.

Teichner: The other central issue is whether Terri really DID say she wouldn't want to be kept alive artificially...

(Michael: "We were watching some programs, and she says, I don't want a... I don't want anything artificial like that. I don't want any tubes. Don't let me live like that")

[body language note: Michael started out looking down and to his left. Halfway thru those sentences he finally looked up at LKL.]

Bobby: [with solid eye-contact] "We've said all along, that these wishes were just a complete fabrication"

Teichner: Bobby Schindler is Terri's brother...

Bobby: "They only occurred after there was a substancial amount of money in Terri's trust fund"

Teichner: A Florida court believed Michael Schiavo, that it was Terri's WISH to die. But look what else the court concluded. That MONEY overshadowed the entire case, on both sides.

Teichner: In 1992, Michael Schiavo sued Terri's doctors for malpractice, and won. 300 thousand dollars for himself... 700 thousand dollars for Terri, to be held in a trust fund. THATS when the trouble began.

Bobby: The fact of the matter is, there HASN'T been any rehabilitation for Terri, and thats what my dad was confronting Michael ahh, about

Felos: The Schindler's, after the malpractice money came in umm, demanded money for themselves

Teichner: The money's practically gone now, but the emnity remains...

(lawyer#2: Unfortunately, Terri, poor Terri, did NOT express herself in legal documents that would have avoided all of this)

[lawyer#2 and Teichner then plugged Living Wills for one minute]

Bobby: "To have to watch a loved one slowly STARVE to death, its BEYOND comprehension."

Teichner: Bobby Schindler doesn't consider disconnecting Terri's feeding tube 'letting her die'. He calls it 'Starving her to death - killing her'. In order to visit his sister at the hospice, he has to pass police guards posted outside.

Bobby: I know that she's listening. I know that she's hearing me. I know she's aware. So I try to keep HER spirits up. Terri is my SISTER, and she is our FAMILY, and she is JUST as beautiful to me now as she was before this happened. And I'm willing, and my family is willing to take care of her as long as we have to. You know, Michael has started a new family, he has a fiance...

Teichner: So you just want him to walk away?

Bobby: Yea, just walk away.

Felos: The overriding, and sole motivation of Michael Schiavo, is to carry out his wife's wishes. I can see no other reason why he has subjected himself to this abuse, threat, destruction, of his life... Why would he do it if he didn't truely love her?

Teichner: Its been 13 years since Terri Schiavo collapsed. Perhaps the lesson to be learned from this sad story, is that without putting our wishes down on paper, it could be any ONE of us lying there, being fought over.

[Transcripted for education and discussion purposes only, not guaranteed to be 100% accurate. portions transcribed by TheSarce ]




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Recent interviews/excerpts:
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"Hannity and Colmes" - Tuesday 10-14-03 --> (Terri's father) Bob Schindler: "MONEY and FOUL PLAY"

"On the Record with Greta" - Friday 10-24-03 --> Forensic Pathologist, Dr. Michael Baden: "Potassium imbalance UNLIKELY - HEALTHY heart - NECK TRAUMA"

"At Large with Geraldo Rivera" Sunday 10-26-03 --> author Christopher Darden and Harvard Law Professor Alan Dershowitz: "You have eternity to be dead; You only have a limited amount of time to live"

"Hannity and Colmes" - Monday 10-27-03 --> (father) Bob Schindler and (neurologist) Dr. William Hammesfahr: "She absolutely CAN be rehabilitated -clearly NEVER had heart attack -Emergency room: damaged neck"

"On the Record with Greta" - Monday 10-27-03 --> (attorney) Pat Anderson: "BIG FIGHT -attempted STRANGULATION"

"On the Record with Greta" - Tuesday 10-28-03 --> (attorney) Pat Anderson and (brother) Bobby Schindler: "failing marriage -DIVORCE imminent -Potassium explained":

"Hardball with with Chris Matthews" - Wednesday 10-29-03 --> (pro-Terri attorney for ACLJ) Jay Sekulow and (anti-Terri attorney) Joe Tacopina: "Matthews: I think the human issue here is... her eyes flickering... I think she's ALIVE":

"Larry King Live" - Monday 10-27-03 --> (husband) Michael Schiavo[barf alert]: THEY get money from the right wing ACTIVISTS - "Removing somebody's feeding is very painless. It is a very easy way to die" - [later] King: Would you take one[lie detector test]? - No

"The Abrams Report" - Monday 11-03-03 --> (Commentary) almost entirely pro-husband

"O'Reilly Factor" - Wednesday 11-05-03 --> (former "Vegetative State" patient) Kate Adamson: Being starved to death is EXTREMELY painful "It was SHEER torture!" - took her THREE MONTHS of ACUTE REHAB to snap out
Her website says: We stand behind Terri Schindler!

"The Abrams Report" - Thursday 11-06-03 --> (pro-Terri attorney) Pat Anderson and (pro-death attorney) George Felos: "Felos: Michael is a MODEL husband" - Anderson:"Terri got NO REHAB after $award$":

"On the Record with Greta" - Thursday 11-06-03 --> (Gov.Bush's lead attorney) Ken Connor, and followed by a panel discussion:
"Connor: INDEPENDENTLY investigate the circumstances and allegations...
Alred: Perhaps the PARENTS SHOULD care for her


"Radio Interview" --> (Michael Schiavo's so-called 1st girlfriend after Terri's so-called 'collapse')
MS: "[Terri] upsets my WHOLE LIFE with this, and this is ALL her fault."
GIRLFRIEND: "he can be the most INCREDIBLY MEAN person!"


"CBS News Sunday Morning" - Sunday 11-09-03 -->
( Lead-off feature story for this Sunday morning news magazine )


29 posted on 11/10/2003 10:01:58 PM PST by Future Useless Eater (Freedom_Loving_Engineer)
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To: EternalVigilance
And hooray especially for Free Republic! It's home for folks of good heart. Wouldn't it be fantastic if Terri recovered enough to Freep with us? :-)
30 posted on 11/10/2003 10:04:29 PM PST by T'wit
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To: EternalVigilance
I would need a straight-jacket and duct tape over my mouth to stay out of trouble.

We who have been following Terri's threads know how important judges can be. Thanks again for bringing attention to President Bush's nominees that have been treated so unfairly. Let the Senate vote up or down!
31 posted on 11/10/2003 10:05:11 PM PST by windchime
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To: T'wit
Wouldn't it be fantastic if Terri recovered enough to Freep with us? :-)

That is a thought that brings a BIG smile to my face! :-)

32 posted on 11/10/2003 10:08:08 PM PST by EternalVigilance
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To: windchime
Let the Senate vote up or down!

You got it!

33 posted on 11/10/2003 10:09:01 PM PST by EternalVigilance
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To: FL_engineer
INTERESTING -- from new article "Terri Schiavo's parents discuss their pain, heartache & resolve":

Mary said she remembered thinking right after Terri's collapse that Michael was extraordinarily attentive for having been thrust into such a situation. She recalled five other young women in Terri's condition at a nursing home in Sable Ponds and said their mothers told her that each of their husbands "flew" after they realized their wives would likely never be the same.

"I thought, 'Look at this loving man that's here every day.' He watched her like a hawk. Naturally, now I know he was afraid. He must have been thinking, 'What if they teach her to talk?'" Mary speculated. "I think he was afraid she would say, 'What are you doing here? You did this to me!' I think that's what happened. Speculation, yes, but it is a possible explanation for what's bothering me in that interview.

34 posted on 11/10/2003 10:09:30 PM PST by cyn (http://www.terrisfight.org)
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To: sweetliberty; EternalVigilance; floriduh voter; tutstar; Canticle_of_Deborah; JulieRNR21; ...
Also Transcripted:
"CBS News Sunday Morning" - Sunday 11-09-03 -->
( Lead-off feature story for this Sunday morning news magazine )
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.
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Join the Terri Schindler Life Ribbon Campaign
      "Where there's life, there's hope."
      -Terri Schiavo ( arguing with her best friend Diane Meyer ) angrily PROMOTING LIFE FOR the comatose
-Kate Adamson ( former vegetative patient nearly starved to death ) "Its VERY painful... Its SHEER torture!"

-Michael Schiavo (teaching Terri she can NEVER DIVORCE him) minutes before her 'collapse'
-Michael's 1993 girlfriend ("he can be the most INCREDIBLY MEAN person!")
-link to latest TV coverage/interviews           Contact FoxNews


35 posted on 11/10/2003 10:09:52 PM PST by Future Useless Eater (Freedom_Loving_Engineer)
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To: EternalVigilance
God bless you and thanks for all you're doing!!! Hats off to ya.
36 posted on 11/10/2003 10:10:48 PM PST by Saundra Duffy (For victory & freedom!!!)
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To: FL_engineer
(in wonderment) You just don't stop, do you, lol?! Thanks, will save for LATER a.m. reading.
37 posted on 11/10/2003 10:12:42 PM PST by cyn (http://www.terrisfight.org)
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To: FL_engineer
Thanks for the transcript of the girlfriend, etc. This is bizarre!!!
38 posted on 11/10/2003 10:14:14 PM PST by Saundra Duffy (For victory & freedom!!!)
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To: T'wit
Amen to that; it is indeed ironic and 'angrifying', if I might make up a word. This is so sad, these YEARS of neglect! Yes, I would love to see Terri freed to go "home for the holidays", if that is what her family wanted. . . I want to see her out again.

From our mouths to God's ear! Oh, may it be.
39 posted on 11/10/2003 10:18:46 PM PST by cyn (http://www.terrisfight.org)
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To: T'wit
The downside would be assault charges, I guess. With the number of dem-wits who've been running their mouths lately, President Bush would be rolling in campaign cash and the 'dirty sock gang' would be praying to get a judge that wasn't pushing an agenda.
40 posted on 11/10/2003 10:19:57 PM PST by windchime
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To: fiesti; amdgmary
I'll put the whole thing for others to see as well:



Please mail Terri cards! Her 40th birthday is Dec 3 or 4.
Ms. Terri Schindler Schiavo
Woodside Hospice
6774 102nd Avenue N
Pinellas Park, Florida 33780



Thanks to amdgmary, who posted this on 11/01/2003 4:56 AM PST
41 posted on 11/10/2003 10:22:03 PM PST by cyn (http://www.terrisfight.org)
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To: windchime
>> The downside would be assault charges, I guess.

Not at all. Stuffing dirty socks into a politician's mouth is a fundamental right of all upstanding citizens and is constitutionally well protected by our freedom of speech, freedom of religion and the unwashed hosiery clause.

42 posted on 11/10/2003 10:33:21 PM PST by T'wit
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To: sweetliberty; All
They still have'nt published the BIG STORY about the Ho$pice of the Florida $uncoa$t yet. However I did come up with the latest questionable employee shifting news for those interested in keeping up in the hospice front of this battle for my first major post self exile post here.

(from www.hospicepatients.org/Hosp-FL-Suncoast-entrypage.html

We would like to extend our "Welcome" to the new "Director of Clinical Training and Software Implementation" for Hospice of the Florida Suncoast, Cindy Jacquemin. Cindy was a "Clinical Software Trainer" for Suncoast Solutions. Cindy will supposedly no longer work for Suncoast Solutions. Belle Sturm, who was serving both positions (Director of Training for Suncoast Solutions AND Director of Clinical Training and Software Implementation for Hospice of the Florida Suncoast) is (supposedly) giving up her position with Hospice to be full time with Solutions.

Since Teresa Craig's recent e-mail asked everyone to welcome Cindy to her new position, we join in welcoming her to this example of what can go wrong at a hospice! We do wish to let Cindy know (she should be aware) that there have been NUMEROUS WRITTEN COMPLAINTS from staff at Hospice of the Florida Suncoast given to HR, Mary Labyak, Teresa Craig, etc stating that Cindy is rude, treats staff poorly, talks down to people, and is reported by several people to dress like she is homeless. Obviously, Cindy knows the right people in the administration!

In other news, Mary Labyak was going around the hospice reassuring employees that all the lawsuits against the hospice will be "settled" soon. Mary! You may not wish to hear this, but the suits have NOT been settled just to shut up those who are suing you and the hospice for what your gang of administrators has been doing! Those who have filed lawsuits against the hospice, including present and former employees, are not going to be bought off by you or the hospice.)

Seems that all those lawsuits keep staying around too. Too bad Mary, Teresa and George, NOT!!! ;c)

Actually a think that a truely constructive way to answer trolls WITHOUT PERSONAL ATTACKS would be simply post this particular www.hospicepatients.org link to them and try to get them to see what they are supporting here. This site has the best news and links about the death culture in Pennelus County, Florida AND ITS CORRUPTION that I have seen to date and I will continue to post it whenever the oppertunity arises.

Guns linux and Liberty. ;c)

43 posted on 11/10/2003 10:54:23 PM PST by Coral Snake (deathculture(HospiceOf TheFlorida$uncoast == Andersonville + Aushwitz)
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To: sweetliberty
Checking in.

Thanks again for the great job you're doing. The summaries at the tops of the threads are invaluable.
44 posted on 11/11/2003 1:16:07 AM PST by Wampus SC
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To: FL_engineer
Great job,

>Mike very into __, he's very possesive, he's very jealous,
he STALKED me at my ___, at where I workked, after I stopped dating him"<

>I dated him for one year<

Ms. Trudy Capone......said kind of the same...
>being Harassed by MS, after breaking off the relationship<

Jodi Centzone......1993-present

He's a STALKER, Mean, Jealous, possesive, kills cats,fights,lies,.....deny holy rights...enjoys slow-deaths
....etc,etc.etc..


Have 4 childrens with 2-3 different women....

All of the serial killers in america history...fix
this description of a profile....

Where's the FBI ???.Hello !

45 posted on 11/11/2003 2:31:38 AM PST by Orlando (Happy Veterans Day...193rd,Inf Bn,)
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To: Admin Moderator
This post is a appology for my behavior on 11-08-2003 that I want to make public as well as direct to you.

Issue 1. The original warning to me.
I have spent about two days off the Free Republic boards studying the posting rules in their entirety and realize that I did violate them by identifying people I dissagree with in the Terri Schiavo battle with historical figures who are objectionable to some of the members of this board by their screen names. From now on my policy for dealing with such people will be to post them a link to either terrisfight.org, hospicpatients.org or both and then simply ignore them if they continue to dissagree with me.

Issue 2. The song update that was pulled.
I am sorry if you felt that this was an insult because of our friction on that particular day. It was not intended as such but was intended to be a complement for the good job you do in keeping the DU liberals and the "Tin Foil Hat" types of all stripes from contaminating this site with their leftist or out of this world article posts. (I actually started updating that particular song on the same day but before your warning to commemerate the latest DUer ZOT that had also occured on that day. I won't mention the screen name of the DUer involved because mentioning screen names in an insulting mannor is what got me in trouble here in the first place.)

In the future I will spend more of my posting time on other issues like Linux advocacy, Gun Control, Iraq, Zimbabwe and the War on Terror. (The issues I was posting about before coming to the Terri Schiavo Threads). I think in general a little time out from this issue may prevent the anger that led to my behavior that you had to warn me about. I will also save any attacks on posters for the ZOT articles where they are allowed.

Thank you for reading this.

Guns, Linux and Liberty. ;c)
46 posted on 11/11/2003 3:30:54 AM PST by Coral Snake (deathculture(HospiceOf TheFlorida$uncoast == Andersonville + Aushwitz)
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To: EternalVigilance
Good morning EV
Thanks for the ping
& bttt
47 posted on 11/11/2003 4:34:24 AM PST by firewalk
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To: Saundra Duffy
Yes, indeed Saundra, what is indeed "bizarre" to us at a minimum is just the actions of a "loving husband" to Peter, Dan, Tom, and Katie!
48 posted on 11/11/2003 4:46:34 AM PST by Theodore R.
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To: sweetliberty
God Bless and keep all our veterans who fought for us in WWII, Korea, Vietnam, the Gulf War, Afghanistan, the War on terror and any other war or skirmish. Thank you, all Veterans!

Happy Veterans Day.
49 posted on 11/11/2003 4:47:51 AM PST by TaxRelief (Welcome to the only website dedicated to the preservation of a free republic.)
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To: FL_engineer
Good morning, FL_engineer!

Do you know how we are now saying that Michael has 4 kids? I still only count 2, (although I have been looking for proof of one more).

..........TR
50 posted on 11/11/2003 4:55:24 AM PST by TaxRelief (Welcome to the only website dedicated to the preservation of a free republic.)
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