Trump's Saturday delegate disaster (South Carolina and Colorado)

The Politico ^ | April 9, 2016 | Eli Stokols and Kyle Cheney

[gg188]

The analogy of the Electoral College would be this: if, after the vote takes place in November, in a few weeks the the Electoral College meets, and electors from various states cast their vote for the candidate who did not WIN that state. That's the comparison, if you wish to make it.

Of course, this is covered by the constitution which, presumably, Cruz wouldn't try to subvert the ELECTORAL COLLEGE?

And the RNC---it's a club of Elites, our own Oligarchy, and they can fool the people with impunity. It's THEIR party. What they've done wrong is PRESENTED the primaries as REAL DEMOCRATIC VOTES, which, we're learning, they are not.

[Elyse]

My favorite Reagan quote -
To sit back hoping that someday, some way, someone will make things right is to go on feeding the crocodile, hoping he will eat you last - but eat you he will. Ronald Reagan

This is what I see with Trump supporters and their only Trump can save us from the GOPe and make our country great again. They want to put a sign in their yard, wear a Trump hat, call anyone that isn’t Trump and doesn’t support Trump ugly names, and then, wait for Trump to save them.

We know Cruz alone can’t save us. We know he can lead us and we can save ourselves which is exactly what Cruz supporters are doing. We understand the primary process and realize that the candidate that is acceptable to the majority of the Republican Party is going to be our nominee. We understand that it is about delegates and organization and time and work gets the delegates. We might not win in the end, but we refuse to feed the crocodile.

[Wyrd bið ful aræd]

Then why did you ask, dummy?

[Lakewood]

Actually the rules MAY be changed once the convention is in session. There will be a rules committee made up of 112 delegates...two from each state and territory. They will make recommendations to the convention.

The recommendations will be voted on by the delegates. If the combination of Mr. Trump and Mr. Cruz delegates decide they can change the rules. Otherwise they will not be changed.

Please don’t tell me the rules are changed like dirty socks...it’s just not true. No one is trying to subvert the voter.

[nathanbedford]

Please don't distort what I said.

The idea of the Constitution is to embody a set of rules just as the Republican party has promulgated a set of rules. We respect the Constitution but we must acknowledge that the effect of many of the rules is to avoid majoritarian rule. That is the whole purpose of the Bill of Rights. It does not matter if the majority of the people are deluded and think that Donald Trump would make a good president and would like to shut up people like me. It does not matter because I have a First Amendment right to speak out even against the wishes of the majority of Trump supporters. Democracy in the minds of the framers was often, but not in every respect, equated with mob rule.

If you believe in playing by the rules, as people who respect the Constitution do, if you understand that Trump accepted these rules governing primaries going into the contest, the whole episode does not reflect badly on Ted Cruz who played by the rules but very badly on Donald Trump who ignored them.

[MIA_eccl1212]

According to Ted himself, HE is not eligible.
“Two citizen parents... on US soil.”

you know this, you read the links to that interview...
not only today but in the past when everyone was going full “donnybrook” about Obama’s ineligibility shenanigans.

I know you have to support your guy and follow your heart. But there are many of us who feel just the exact opposite about the candidates as do you... and even if we are wrong, you must admit, Ted should not have said “Two citizen parents... on US soil,” and then chosen to run KNOWING he did not have the legal documentation or the American soil requirement on lock down.

I think he is done for at this point. But would be happy if after he drops out, you would consider joining the rest of us to Make America Great again.

Have a great evening...

[heights]

“Most delegates are your neighbors, not so-called party hacks.”

Honest, ethical people would not subvert the votes of the people. If a State votes for Trump, and Cruz Steals the delegates, he is nothing but a thief.

[kiryandil]

He gets off on taunting the FR Trump people.

[MIA_eccl1212]

PS... I really enjoyed your posts and commentary on the thread last night, with all the ships in at San Diego... near and dear to my heart, really.

[Mensius]

Nice tagline Vet...

[ldish]

“selling out your country”

in this context are you speaking of cruz folks selling out canada or the USA?

[gubamyster]

First of all, the electoral college is not involved here. Yes, I understand the Electoral College. However, to my knowledge, after a state votes, there isn’t a process of trying to swing/pay off the electoral college voters from the Republican candidate to the Democrat candidate or visa versa. They vote for the presidential candidate based on how the voters cast their votes. There is no after-the-fact stealing of delegates/electoral college people.

I’m not necessarily talking about Trump vs Cruz. My point is that regardless of what side a person is on, they should be very, very disturbed that voters’ ballots are just disregarded & are no better than sticking them in a shredder after casting them. The system is rigged. If the voters don’t have a say or can be so easily disenfranchised, then we are nothing more than a banana republic. If it can happen this time to Trump voters, then next time it will happen to the candidate who isn’t anointed by the establishment.

[Elyse]

You have a lot of time on your hands.

[builder]

Trump can't lose. This delegate business is right in his wheelhouse. He has promised to do better deals than any politician , and is the smartest best dealmaker alive. He promised us that. So therefore, he has this delegate dealmaking under complete control. I trust his wisdom and his word. He said his word is his bond.

[kiryandil]

How often have we been lectured by Trump supporters telling us what a genius Donald Trump is

He IS a genius.

Now, he's exposed even Ted Cruz as a GOPee insider.

Ted's not man enough to do what's best for the Republican Party, because of his sociopathic need to ascend to power.

At the end of all things, Trump, like Samson, will pull the temple down around the ears of Ted and his feasting GOPee buddies.

And be damned to them. :)

[Defiant]

So you got the night shift tonight?

[PreciousLiberty]

“The analogy of the Electoral College would be this: if, after the vote takes place in November, in a few weeks the the Electoral College meets, and electors from various states cast their vote for the candidate who did not WIN that state. That’s the comparison, if you wish to make it.”

Indeed. It could be something such as the revelation that the candidate was actually a felon, for instance. No elector could vote for him in good conscience.

With Trump, it is the growing realization that he’s just not Presidential material. Nor is he electable, especially given many of his very recent comments. To the small minority that are his followers (about 20% of eligible voters) he’s a great man. The rest of the country is holding its nose.

I will say, it’s an absolutely insane election year. I don’t believe there’s ever been as polarizing of a candidate as Trump.

I’ll say again, if Trump is the nominee, I’ll vote for him. There’s a decent chance he’d be better than whichever Dem, although it’s impossible to say with any certainty.

[gg188]

I only see about five states where the candidates are "unbound"

Logic would tell me that if some are specifically unbound, then the others are "bound." THAT is how it is PRESENTED to those who voted in the primaries.

Please note the "Delegate allocation" column.

[21twelve]

“If a State votes for Trump, and Cruz Steals the delegates, he is nothing but a thief.”

The state of Colorado does not have a primary vote. So there were no “winners” to “steal”. The delegates are elected during the convention. It sounds as though the Cruz campaign did a better job at presenting their arguments, platform and vision to get the delegates to vote for their guy.

[2ndDivisionVet]

Thank you for letting me know I’m being effective.