Posted on 04/09/2016 8:30:19 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
You may be proven correct over time but I don’t see it. If Mr. Trump gets to 1,237 he’s the nominee. If he doesn’t then the normal rules take over and it goes to a contested election.
To change the rules takes a majority vote of the delegates at the convention. Why would the combined delegates of Mr. Trump and Mr. Cruz, which at this point exceed 1,237, vote for a change to allow anyone else to win the nomination. It makes no sense.
heh, heh, heh...how much do you want to bet on a curzer loser ever being President of the USA? Really? Money where the mouth is?
He is merely an establishment stool tool at this point in time...
To change the rules takes a majority vote of the delegates at the convention. Why would the combined delegates of Mr. Trump and Mr. Cruz, which at this point exceed 1,237, vote for a change to allow anyone else to win the nomination. It makes no sense.
I will point you back to my original post in this thread for some of your answer:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/gop/3419281/posts?page=25#25
THIS IS NOT NORMAL! The talking points have gone out trying to convince people that "The Big Steal" by Cruz and the establishment is "normal". IT IS NOT, this race should be over with Cruz needing 88% of the remaining delegates to take the nomination outright.
Normally it would but the establishment does not have their nominee yet. So they are going to try anything, by hook or by crook, to steal the thing. And the so called principled conservative, Ted Cruz, has joined in with their sleazy tactics.
What Ted Cruz is doing IS NOT PRINCIPLED CONSERVATISM, IT IS THEFT BY DECEPTION. When are some of you Freepers going to wake up and smell the coffee?
CGato
I'm sure the delegates hold rallies to get your votes, right? which one draws the most at their particular rallies? And where can we find out what policies and issues they're running on before we cast our vote for them? /s
Then Trump has to go all out to win on the first round, and then all these establishment hacks like Cruz can simply go to hell......
LOL! The Republicans couldn't organize their way out of a wet paper bag.
No sale.
I'm sure the delegates hold rallies to get your votes, right? which one draws the most at their particular rallies? And where can we find out what policies and issues they're running on before we cast our vote for them? /s
It's right there on the Maryland ballot. The delegates have the name of a candidate right after their own name. I assume that is because those delegates plan to vote for those candidates in the convention. You just need to be careful while voting because the names are printed kind of small, and it would be easy to accidentally shift up or down a line when filling out the voting bubble.
2008 Democratic Primary Exit Poll:
Democrat 62% Republican 9% Independent 28%
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/epolls/#WIDEM
2016 Democratic Primary Exit Poll:
Democrat 71% Republican 2% Independent 27%
http://www.cnn.com/election/primaries/polls/wi/Dem
2008 Republican Primary Exit Poll:
Democrat 5% Republican 73% Independent 23%
Same source
2016 Republican Primary Exit Poll:
Democrat 6% Republican 65% Independent 28%
Same source
Your analysis was flawed. It is quite obvious what occurred. Republicans crossed over in 2008 and stayed in the Republican primary in 2016.
That's where the action is at, not "exit polls" or "opinion polls".
Voting for Hillary is considered treasonous here, did you know that?
So why are YOU voting for Hillary, 2ndDiv?
After all, a vote for Cruz, the Unipatsy, is a vote for Hillary.
The Wisconsin Democrats who crossed over to vote for Cruz last Tuesday showed us the the real strategy: Trump is the real threat, so keep the loserboy Ted in the race.
Which they did.
The WI Democrats could have disposed of Cruz on Tuesday if he was an actual threat to Hillary or the Democrat general election nominee. :)
Well of course. He’s perfect.
Cruz is an Establishment Republican, DC Insider.
Too bad he didn’t understand what his voting record would do to his reputation.
Evidence:
*Cruz supported the Corker Bill which gave us the Iran Deal.
*Cruz supported Trade Promotion Authority which gave us the corrupt trade deals.
LOL...Don’t let the facts get in the way of a good story...
Have a nice rest of the day.
Yes, don’t let the facts get in the way of a good story, n00bi3 Lakewood:
You cherry-picked the data that you DON'T have to "support" your unsupportable point.
You "neglected" to mention the Wisconsin 2012 Republican primary, which is VERY similar to the 2016 Republican primary in importance. AND, Obama was running UNOPPOSED, freeing up OODLES of Democrats to cross-over and vote Republican.:
The next big contest was in Wisconsin on April 3, 2012. Acknowledging the wide delegate gap between himself and Romney, Santorum said that he would continue fighting and would secure enough delegates to deny Romney the 1,144 delegates needed to clinch the nomination, which would lead to an open convention floor fight. Of a convention contest, Santorum said, "I think it would be a fascinating display of open democracy. And I think it would be an energizing thing for our party to have a candidate emerge who isn't the blessed candidate of the Republican establishment."At a campaign event in Wisconsin on March 26, Santorum angrily told the crowd, "Pick any Republican in the country! He (Romney) is the worst Republican in the country to put up against Barack Obama!".
He later proceeded to use profanity against New York Times reporter Jeff Zeleny, who questioned his remarks about Romney. Santorum finished second in Wisconsin with 37% to Romney's 44%.
How like a cruzer to "fail to mention" facts which are inconvenient to the narrative that's being sold. :)
I'm sitting on the custom spreadsheet showing the numbers for ALL three Wisconsin primaries, and you're not. All you got is puffery to defend the Texas snake and his role as the Unipatsy for the Democrat Party.
Have a nice rest of the day sulking in your tent, Achilles... :)
Manfort’s running the show now. Unscrupulous Cruz is headed for an ugly fall. The voters see what’s happening. Rules or no rules....integrity will rule the day. Delegate bribing won’t go over well with we the people.
The 2016 presidency and the future direction of the Supreme Court is lying in the middle of the road like a shiny unattached gold piece.
All the Republicans had to do was bend over, and pick it up.
Instead of doing that easy thing, SUDDENLY, there are "concerns" over Trump, and the Cruluzer, backed by his new GOPee pals [who have ALWAYS looked out for us conservatives, you betcha! or not...], is going to set the ship on fire if HE can't be The One, when he's plainly a reincarnation of Bob Dole, without the excitement...
That's why the Wisconsin Democrats crossed over to vote for Ted last Tuesday - when they could have got rid of the "dangerous Cruz threat", and locked in the "weak" Trump as the guy they were going to face in November.
Wow, a spreadsheet, I’m impressed. I didn’t neglect anything nor did I cherry pick data. It was you that made the assertion that 20,000 votes left the democrat side in 2008 and some how appeared on the republican side in 2016. I simply showed you what happened.
Vote totals are up everywhere and Trump got his standard 35-40%. For Wisconsin as a whole there was about a 39% increase in total votes in the Republican primary. In the county you “cherry-picked” there was an increase of about 36% in total votes in the Republican primary.
So much for reasoned argument. At least I’ve graduated from a n00b to a n00bi3...Cheers.
I examined your posting history. You're pretty big on speculative numbers, like exit polls, and polls before the actual vote.
I, on the other hand, am big on the ACTUAL numbers.
The frustrating thing with the Internet is you can say anything. It doesn’t have to be true.
The great thing about the Internet is that you can find the truth, which I have bothered to do. There is no truth in your speculative non-number-based comments.
I probably shouldn’t do this because I’m tired of playing your game.
Fact 1: In 2016 voting in the Republican primary in Wisconsin increased by about 39% over 2012.
Fact 2: In 2016 voting in the Republican primary in Waukesha County, Wisconsin increased by about 36% over 2012.
Fact 3: In 2012 Mitt Romney received 51,329 votes in Waukesha County.
Fact 4: In 2016 Ted Cruz received 75,123 votes in Waukesha County.
Fact 5: CNN exit polls in 2008 showed that the Democratic primary was composed of 9% of voters who self identified as Republican.
Fact 6: CNN exit polls in 2016 showed that the Democratic primary was composed of 2% of voters who self identified as Republican.
Fact 7: In post 159 of this thread you said, “Where did the 20,000 2008 Democrat primary voters “disappear” to, in an open primary? Hey - lookee there! Cruz got 20,000 more votes in 2016 than Romney in the 2012 primary!”
I think you are positing that the 20,000 Democrat voters from 2008 showed up for Cruz in 2016. I believe the combination of the facts listed above and throughout this discussion explains the difference.
However, since you have the ACTUAL numbers, and you have bothered to find the truth, please tell me what the truth is. No speculation, no changing the subject, just the cold hard facts.
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