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Trump's Saturday delegate disaster (South Carolina and Colorado)
The Politico ^ | April 9, 2016 | Eli Stokols and Kyle Cheney

Posted on 04/09/2016 8:30:19 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

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To: mlo

39% is a pretty common winning vote in all 3 way races. What’s Cruz’s average, 20-25%?


181 posted on 04/10/2016 12:29:02 AM PDT by RedWulf
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To: RedWulf

Doesn’t change the facts.


182 posted on 04/10/2016 12:34:20 AM PDT by mlo
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I'm jealous of you. Reading only the replies last night I assumed that the Trump bots were making this all about me but when I woke up this morning and read the thread itself I discovered they had also made it all about you too.

Of one thing we can be sure, his appalling mismanagement of delegates has nothing to do with Donald Trump or the way he screwed up and what it means for his ability to manage the country-it has only to do with you and me.


184 posted on 04/10/2016 1:21:41 AM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

for someone whose campaign is 17.5 million owed, he sure didn’t do his homework for the past 30 years after talking about it so much. Prep much?

http://www.politicalmoneyline.com/tr/tr_PresLookup.aspx?&td=0_1


185 posted on 04/10/2016 1:39:50 AM PDT by huldah1776 ( Vote Pro-life! Allow God to bless America before He avenges the death of the innocent.)
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To: Hostage

I love you. Not in that way, but I love you. Yahweh bless.


186 posted on 04/10/2016 2:49:18 AM PDT by Concentrate (ex-texan was right. And Always Right was wrong, which is why we lost the election.)
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To: nathanbedford

“Well the freshman congressman just left Donald Trump humiliated, standing naked with his hands on his ample ass.”

What makes you want to notice a candidate’s ass? Most of us notice a candidate’s campaign stances.


187 posted on 04/10/2016 2:57:30 AM PDT by odawg
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Yay Politico - what do the NYT, the Huff Post and Tass say about it?


188 posted on 04/10/2016 4:07:34 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: mlo
Trump has only gotten 39% of the popular vote in states that have already voted. Even in states where he won, he usually won with a minority vote. I don't hear anyone carping about all the people that DIDN'T vote for him being disenfranchised by the system because their delegates are bound to Trump.

You're missing my point. If they are bound to Trump or Cruz is not my point. The point is trying to switch/steal/pay-off the delegates after the vote has been cast. Now you have voters who have voted & won delegates, which are then being stolen, in effect switching the intent of the voters' ballot. In my opinion, if you can change the results of an election after the votes are cast it is nothing more than a dictatorship or banana republic.

189 posted on 04/10/2016 5:10:36 AM PDT by gubamyster
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I voted for Trump in SC. If my vote goes to Cruz or some other person like Ryan, who nobody voted for, then I would have to vote for the most honest person in the general...in this case Hillary Clinton would be most honest compared to this GOPe BS. Nah, seriously, I’d just go fishing. The country would be lost anyway. Voting here under those conditions would be like voting for a candidate in N Korea. We’ve become third world.


190 posted on 04/10/2016 5:58:39 AM PDT by ThePatriotsFlag ( Anything FREELY-GIVEN by the government was TAKEN from someone else.)
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To: gubamyster
It’s bad enough our current administration is ruling like a dictatorship, but the “opposition” party is doing the very same thing. It really is scary to see what this country is becoming.

I completely agree. I suspect that true Republicans and conservatives have been pushed out of the political process by radical leftists posing as conservatives in order to get our vote.

191 posted on 04/10/2016 7:10:05 AM PDT by exDemMom (Current visual of the hole the US continues to dig itself into: http://www.usdebtclock.org/)
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To: gg188
Logic would tell me that if some are specifically unbound, then the others are "bound." THAT is how it is PRESENTED to those who voted in the primaries.

Please note the "Delegate allocation" column.

I vote in CA, and have never seen a delegate column. I saw that for the first time on the sample MD ballot that came out a few days ago. It seems it is not enough just to vote for the candidate--you also have to vote for the right delegates. I know there are only three candidates still officially running at this time--even so, not all of the candidates have delegates to vote for. This system of voting for a candidate AND delegates looks quite burdensome and prone to error to me.

192 posted on 04/10/2016 7:24:35 AM PDT by exDemMom (Current visual of the hole the US continues to dig itself into: http://www.usdebtclock.org/)
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To: bushwon

It’s a meme around here. How many times have we been told by the presstitutes that Trump is done?


193 posted on 04/10/2016 7:38:54 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("If voting made any difference they wouldn't let us do it." --Samuel Clemens)
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To: PreciousLiberty
The parties function similarly. It’s so there’s a check on the people getting tricked into making a really poor selection.

Well thank God you guys are going to save us from Trump...

Maybe you should try again...

His positions on illegals and Muslim immigrants/refugees have resonated. I wish other candidates would move closer to them. But those positions and his other broad brushed slogans (Make America Great Again) don’t make up for the fact that he’s not stated any realistic plan for making them happen. Further, he is often inarticulate

Trump is far more articulate on his plans than the few Cruz has thrown out there...So that doesn't fly...

and his views on many important issues have changed like the wind over the years. In fact, he’s well known for rubbing elbows with the Clintons and other unsavory types.

That shows Trump is paying attention to the issues and not just going along to get along...

You ignore the fact that Cruz's new Bush family and associates not only sit at the same tables at the CFR meetings with the Democrats, they also adopted the Clintons as their children and siblings...

I'd say you are completely disingenuous...

194 posted on 04/10/2016 9:00:18 AM PDT by Iscool (Trump/Kasich...A winning team...)
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To: Lakewood
Absolutely agree. But the rules now are the same. Must win eight states delegates by a majority. Must win 1237 to win the nomination. Those won’t change unless the delegates to the convention change them. If the majority of the delegates are for Mr. Trump and Mr. Cruz why would they change them?

The rules committee can change the requirement that delegates are bound on the first vote...The rules committee decisions supersede the rules of the states...Cruz could win on the first vote if they change that rule...

195 posted on 04/10/2016 9:05:45 AM PDT by Iscool (Trump/Kasich...A winning team...)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
My candidate doesn’t know Hillary Clinton, yours has been friends with her for decades and has contributed to her campaigns and foundations. Tell me again about support for Hillary.

He will when he gets up there to Kennebunkport to visit Jeb and Neil...He'll get to meet their extended family, the Clintons...Maybe go on a little fishing trip with Bill...

196 posted on 04/10/2016 9:11:03 AM PDT by Iscool (Trump/Kasich...A winning team...)
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To: kiryandil

“Fascinating numbers, n00b. Don’t you agree?

Where did the 20,000 2008 Democrat primary voters “disappear” to, in an open primary? Hey - lookee there! Cruz got 20,000 more votes in 2016 than Romney in the 2012 primary!”

Now let’s add some context to your numbers. In 2008, by the time of the Wisconsin primary, McCain had virtually clinched the Republican nomination with over 65% of the delegates. Obama and Clinton, again at the time of the Wisconsin Democratic primary, were virtually tied in delegates - 1,267 to 1,184. Since it was an open primary there was no reason to vote for McCain but there was a reason to vote in the Democratic primary. And that’s what republicans did.

What you are seeing in 2008 is republicans crossing over to vote democrat. They stayed home and voted in the republican primary in 2016.

Bottom line is the analysis presented in your post is flawed.


197 posted on 04/10/2016 9:13:58 AM PDT by Lakewood
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To: 11th Commandment

I believe the delegate battle has more to do with the party apparatus at the state level rejecting Trump more so than an organized effort by Cruz. At least that is what is currently happening in Missouri and Indiana. In Indiana, the party is electing delegates who are opposed to Trump. If Trump wins the states primary, they will be bound to vote Trump on the first ballot, but will not vote Trump on any subsequent ballot.


198 posted on 04/10/2016 9:21:56 AM PDT by IamConservative (There is no greater threat to our freedoms than Bipartisanship.)
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To: Iscool

Incorrect. The rules committee can propose such a change but cannot make a change. To change a rule there must be a vote of the majority of delegates at the convention.


199 posted on 04/10/2016 9:22:21 AM PDT by Lakewood
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To: Lakewood
Incorrect. The rules committee can propose such a change but cannot make a change. To change a rule there must be a vote of the majority of delegates at the convention.

You are right...But the option is there...

200 posted on 04/10/2016 9:27:05 AM PDT by Iscool (Trump/Kasich...A winning team...)
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