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Gingrich Collapses In Iowa, As Ron Paul Surges to the Front
Atlantic Wire via yahoo ^ | December 19, 2011 | Dashiell Bennet

Posted on 12/19/2011 8:38:13 AM PST by Grunthor

.....A new poll from Public Policy Polling shows that Ron Paul has taken the lead in the Iowa caucus race, while Newt Gingrich's support is fading fast. A different Gallup poll still shows Grinrich still holding the lead, but slipping, while The New York Times has Paul in the lead as well.

Gingrich has seen his numbers in the PPP poll drop from 27 percent to 14 percent in just three weeks, while his favorability rating is now split at 46 percent for to 47 percent against, the worst of any candidate not named Jon Huntsman. That's quite a fall for someone who looked to be running away with the state and taking charge on the national level.

Mitt Romney has also seen his tick up slightly, putting him just behind Paul for second place. The poll measured voters who are planning to vote in the Republican caucus.

Perhaps the most telling secondary question was, "Do you think Newt Gingrich has strong principles?" Only 36 percent say that he does, but for Paul that number was 73 percent.

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To: triceratop
Speaking of the military, isn’t Paul the only veteran besides Perry?

Yes. Both Ron Paul and Rick Perry were Air Force and both were discharged with the rank of Captain.

Ron Paul served 1963-1965 in the AF as a Flight Surgeon, then in the United States Air National Guard from 1965-1968. Rick Perry served 1972-1977 as a pilot.

141 posted on 12/19/2011 11:14:50 PM PST by Bokababe (Save Christian Kosovo! http://www.savekosovo.org)
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To: Bokababe
So in the entire time Appeasement Paul served he was never promoted. Is that correct? A doctor goes in as a captain. Dr. Appeasement serves five years and even during Viet Nam is not able to receive even one promotion. I guess he was just as ineffective in the military as he is in politics.
142 posted on 12/20/2011 2:55:05 AM PST by rideharddiefast
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To: Bokababe
That said, it's Obama's popularity with them that astounds me --

I was also in the service during Viet Nam. There were cowards then, just like now, but we were informed about what was going on. Very few supported McGovern, just like very few would support Obama, or Paul.
The military would not support someone who blames very problem in the world on America like Paul and Obama both do.
My son recently returned from Iraq with a piece of shrapnel in his neck. He can tell you first hand what the military think about the surrender monkey and Obama.
The military would give nothing to either of the two who you want people to believe are receiving the most from our military.
143 posted on 12/20/2011 4:02:37 AM PST by John D
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To: Gall
The problem with Ron Paul is that he completely dismisses the threat of Iran and Iran has promised to annihilate Israel.

No matter what his past record on Israel, his present policy is that its survival is none of our business. Iran is no big deal. Its threats are no big deal. Its nuclear capacity is no big deal.

We cannot have a President who so cavalierly and naively disregards the survival of one of our strongest allies.

His 'dislike' of Israel's government is most certainly NOT 'irrelevant.'

144 posted on 12/20/2011 5:55:30 AM PST by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star winner!)
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To: ohioWfan

Ron Paul leads in active duty military donations by far

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/onpolitics/post/2011/07/ron-paul-military-campaign-donations-/1

GOP presidential hopeful Ron Paul consistently has said that the United States should get out of Afghanistan and Iraq and that American military bases around the world should be closed.

In this campaign, Paul is getting more donations from people who work for the military than either President Obama or any of the other Republican presidential candidates

http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/politics/9044-ron-paul-campaign-receive-most-military-donations


145 posted on 12/20/2011 6:07:26 AM PST by MadIsh32 (In order to be pro-market, sometimes you must be anti-big business)
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To: MadIsh32; John D
That's been tried on this thread before.

Ron Paul's not a viable candidate because he has a dangerous, naive, and one might say, stupid foreign policy.

I fully expect Ron Paul supporters to put "Dennis Kucinich for Secretary of the Department of Peace" signs in their front yards.

Besides which, Ron Paul attracts a myriad of unethical spam monkeys, so any rational freeper should question claims about military support of Paul.

If it doesn't make any rational sense, it's usually not true.

146 posted on 12/20/2011 6:50:02 AM PST by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star winner!)
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To: ohioWfan

Seeing that I am in the age group of most who serve in the military, and in a serious relationship with a woman who just left the Navy 4 months ago at the end of her service, I see it in person that many of our 20 somethings who are fighting for America are also some of the biggest Ron Paul supporters I have met.

It was a marine that fought in Iraq who first told me about Congressman Paul

The data just confirms my observations


147 posted on 12/20/2011 7:02:10 AM PST by MadIsh32 (In order to be pro-market, sometimes you must be anti-big business)
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To: MadIsh32
Anecdotal, subjective, unreliable.

I heard a young person claim that Jon Huntsman was the best candidate for his peer group. As ridiculous a claim as the one that Ron Paul is our best shot at beating Obama. Silly.

Ron Paul is not a viable candidate. Period. His foreign policy is dangerous.

I'm (hopefully) done with this thread. Ron Paul is a non-subject, and any discussion of his having a snowball's chance in hell of winning, or coming close to winning the Republican nomination is ludicrous.

He's not even a Republican.

148 posted on 12/20/2011 7:09:13 AM PST by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star winner!)
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To: ohioWfan

My anecdotal observations are supported by hard data (i.e donations by members of the military)

Yours are simply pulled out of your ass with no basis whatsoever.


149 posted on 12/20/2011 7:15:04 AM PST by MadIsh32 (In order to be pro-market, sometimes you must be anti-big business)
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To: MadIsh32
Your crudity and nastiness aside, do you really think there's 'no basis' for my statements about Paul's foreign policy idiocy? Haven't you heard anything he's said?

Sheesh!

(Wonder if Paul agrees with Joe Biden that the Taliban isn't our enemy? Bet he does..... wonder what our military serving in Afghanistan would think about that?)

See you, Mad. Once the nasty ad hominems begin, it's best for me to leave. Merry Christmas to you and yours.

150 posted on 12/20/2011 7:37:55 AM PST by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star winner!)
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To: MadIsh32
I served during Viet Nam, and sure there were some cowards in the military then just like now who only want a pay check, but are not willing to earn it, but not many. I knew of nobody then who supported McGovern, just like there are very few who will support someone now who wants to gut our military.
My son just returned from Iraq, (with a piece of shrapnel in his neck), and he will guarantee you that nobody he knew would support either the surrender monkey or Obama, and if you actually believed the bunk about Cut and Run receiving the most military donations, then you have to believe Obama is receiving the second most.
By the way, how much was your girlfriend able to send to the surrender monkey?
151 posted on 12/20/2011 7:58:47 AM PST by John D
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To: Grunthor

You’re just having trouble deciding whether to be an Ostrich, or a Sheep.

Meanwhile eagles and pigs are flying.


152 posted on 12/20/2011 9:02:42 AM PST by editor-surveyor (No Federal Sales Tax - No Way!)
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To: ohioWfan

>> “and any discussion of his having a snowball’s chance in hell of winning, or coming close to winning the Republican nomination is ludicrous.” <<

.
I agree, so why do we constantly have to be distracted by this foolishness on every thread now?


153 posted on 12/20/2011 9:05:24 AM PST by editor-surveyor (No Federal Sales Tax - No Way!)
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To: GlockThe Vote

My guess would be that Mittens the dog abuser feels sorry for Holder and that he is being treated unfairly.


154 posted on 12/20/2011 9:06:03 AM PST by mojitojoe (SCOTUS.... think about that when you decide to sit home and pout because your candidate didn't win)
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To: Razzz42

NO!! That is not a better choice because of czars, executive orders and because of who picks supreme court justices.


155 posted on 12/20/2011 9:09:04 AM PST by mojitojoe (SCOTUS.... think about that when you decide to sit home and pout because your candidate didn't win)
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To: John D

I have shown hard data and evidence for the military support Paul has.

You have anecdotal evidence (which I was accused of only having)

Do you have evidence that disputes my facts?

You have the right to your opinion, that Paul is dangerous and there is no way the military can support him, but you do not have the right to make up facts


156 posted on 12/20/2011 9:51:44 AM PST by MadIsh32 (In order to be pro-market, sometimes you must be anti-big business)
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To: MadIsh32

What facts do you have? Just because paulbots say they are military does not make it true. Servicmen and women do not have the extra money to contribute to any candidate, much less an anti-American fringe candidate. If you had served you would know.


157 posted on 12/20/2011 10:05:02 AM PST by John D
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To: triceratop
Speaking of the military, isn’t Paul the only veteran besides Perry?

So was John Murtha, John Kerry, and George McGovern, but they were against the military almost as much as Appeasement Paul.
158 posted on 12/20/2011 10:33:24 AM PST by rideharddiefast
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To: John D

I work day in day out supporting our troops in the field.

Believe me, I know :)

Now, get me some actual facts. Your anecdotal evidence doesn’t fly around there parts


159 posted on 12/20/2011 10:57:26 AM PST by MadIsh32 (In order to be pro-market, sometimes you must be anti-big business)
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To: editor-surveyor
GOOD question. Probable answer - the Paul 'spam monkeys' are ubiquitous.

I just heard a bit of Mark Simone subbing for Hannity, and heard two Paul 'zombies' (Mark's word) call in and they sounded like absolute idiots regurgitating the same nonsensical mantra regardless of the questions.

Same kind of people doing the same thing here, IMO.

Punks. (That's my word. :)

160 posted on 12/20/2011 1:49:27 PM PST by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star winner!)
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