GO SARAH!!!
P.S. Shame on Faux News. Fair and Balanced? ROTFL.
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Posted on 09/07/2011 2:57:12 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
There have been many pundits, news writers, and bloggers recently, who have cited a specific Fox News poll while giving us the "reasons" that they think Governor Palin should stay out of the 2012 presidential race. Considering that the poll has a Fox News label on it, we as conservatives are supposed to believe that it is entirely credible. There are some problems with that, and "credible" isn't a word I would use in association with the numbers they came up with. Here's why...
The section of the poll that is being touted by the media and by the governor's detractors states:
Should Palin Run?
All in all, most voters -- 74 percent -- think Palin should stay on the sidelines in 2012. Just 20 percent think she should run for president.
The groups most likely to support Palin running are white evangelical Christians (30 percent) and Tea Party members (28 percent). Still, majorities of those groups do not think she should run (62 percent and 66 percent respectively). In addition, 72 percent of conservatives, 71 percent of Republicans and 66 percent of independents think Palin should stay out.
Women (77 percent) are a bit more likely than men (71 percent) to say Palin should sit this one out.
Just among women, Republicans (26 percent) are more likely than independents (24 percent) and Democrats (15 percent) to think Palin should run.
What these people leave out of their reports is perhaps the most interesting fact about the poll altogether. It states (emphasis):
The Fox News poll is based on landline and cell phone interviews with 911 randomly chosen registered voters nationwide and was conducted under the joint direction of Anderson Robbins Research (D) and Shaw & Company Research (R) from August 29 to August 31. For the total sample, it has a margin of sampling error of plus or minus 3 percentage points.
Now, just who is Shaw & Company Research? Alexander Burns from Politico writes:
The Shaw in Shaw & Company is Daron Shaw, a University of Texas political science professor and veteran of several GOP campaigns, whose name has been in the news a bit lately.
That's because Shaw is one of the starring players in Sasha Issenberg's e-book, "Rick Perry and His Eggheads: Inside the Brainiest Political Operation in America," which details a groundbreaking set of experiments that Shaw and three other academics conducted inside Perry's 2006 reelection campaign.
The Perry campaign allowed the so-called eggheads to run tests on "anything [they] could figure out how to randomize, from lawn signs to television ads," Issenberg writes, and they assembled a provocative set of findings on which kinds of campaign tactics really work.
Fast forward five years and Perry is running for president and Shaw is one of the lead pollsters for the most influential cable network, by far, among GOP primary voters.
I've read the 30 page book that Burns is talking about, so don't be distracted by the fact that he writes for Politico. What he wrote is accurate, you can see for yourself here.
Now, Shaw maintains that there wasn't a conflict of interest in doing the poll for Fox because Perry didn't pay him and the other "eggheads" for their services. Even though he and the others were very much a part of Perry's political team, he claims that " we're stupid, we never entered into any business relationship with Perry." But given the huge numbers for Perry in the poll and the fact that Team Perry is determined to keep Governor Palin out of the race, something isn't right with Fox using Shaw's agency to gather numbers for a conservative audience.
There is also the fact that the Fox poll numbers are very different from a poll that CNN conducted just this last July. Ian noted at the time:
55% of Republican and Republican-leaning independents want Governor Palin to run.
That is a huge difference between the Shaw and Anderson Robbins (Fox poll) numbers. When you see that big of a shift in that short amount of time, you know something isn't right. The fact that Fox used somebody that the Perry people trust and allowed close access to, should send off alarms to more than just the writers at Politico.
“And yes, I watch WWE from time to time (Monday Night Raw).”
If FNC dressed its newsreaders like female professional wrestlers it might lure me back (at least on the half hour).
He really believed that....PerryKrishna to the end.........
I figured out that polls were as much an art (even a dark art) as a science after I took a stat class on them in college. Which, since it was the same time Sarah Heath (not yet Palin) was in college, was long before I (or just about anybody else) even knew who she was.
Cool.
For me, trusting the MSM paid-for polls, months before an election, reminds me of the same thought process that trusts all of those Global Warming studies.
I am skeptical of all political polls, and don't find them important at all this far out from an election.
However, if I want to point out the flaws in a specific poll, I examine their methodology for bias or fraud.
It's much more difficult than random slander, but considered by thinking people a much more effective way of debunking the results.
Sometimes its okay to admit there is no grand conspiracy...
Of course this will probably be zotted and I’ll get called a liberal pissant commie regardless of my other posts and 3 tours in the sunshine...
Yes, I understand that it’s about Palin. Perry and Palin share some supporters. So before Perry was in the race, it’s likely that some supporters were waiting for Palin and thought she should run. After Perry entered the race, those supporters decided to go for Perry and think Palin should now stay out of the race.
BTW, the snark in my previous comment wasn’t directed at you. It was directed at the author.
I am skeptical of all political polls, and don't find them important at all this far out from an election.
Then we agree on that point.
First, I want to state that I am a HUGE Sarah Palin supporter. But I can be a Sarah Palin supporter without trashing my own Governor Perry with the lies the democrats are throwing out cranking out faster than a corn sheller or a pig sty shoveler. Sarah Palin has an attribute that I highly admire, that Rick Perry doesn’t have. She is viscious when it comes to getting the job done. Perry is a persuader and a plodder which is typical of sons of the soil.
But I am going to jump in here with something that has really been disturbing me, and which puts me in combat on my facebook page every day.
I have some over 500 friends on my facebook page, many of those friends have 2,000 or more friends, and I can see hundreds of responses to postings every day.
What surprises me, is the many numbers of republican WOMEN who will comment that Sarah Palin can’t win it, or she’s not educated enough, or she’s not experienced enough, or now, she has too much baggage. Women who have obviously not even taken a look at her record, her resume, or even bothered to delve further than the rhetoric they’re hearing on tv by the MSM.
I know at my family and friends houses that women tend to answer the phone more than the men do. I’d certainly be curious to find out how many of the respondents were women and how many were men.
Something else I’m always curious about when I see a poll, of a freaking number like ‘911’ supposedly registered voters that pundits are claiming is all omnipotent, is what area codes they were dialing. I think it should be a requirement that they reveal WHERE they were dialing. What if they were dialing area codes 312, 708, or 773 or 415 or 650? Hell in those area codes the number of evangelicals might be ‘3’.
This is why I don’t pay much attention to polls.
And I’m not going to pay one spit of attention to this article because it has not one fact in it...it is merely speculation and gossip and another opportunity for the democrats to get republicans themselves to take another whack at Rick Perry.
I can understand why some would want her to lose. But why would such a large percentge of conservatives not want her to run at all? That just doesn’t smell right. I personally would like to see her run just so we can settle once and for all just how hated this woman is. I think some folks have got a surprise coming there.
who cares? why bother with this crap? we need to keep our eyes on the prize.. Palin, Perry, Romney hell even my friggin cat would be a better leader than this bozo so all this bitching and back-biting gets us nowhere.
The prize would be Obama getting fired. Everything else is irrelevant, IMO. Replace him and the stock market climbs 1000 points and all the confidence scales (economy, leadership) will start to return to normal.
Yes, Fox hired this polster well before anyone knew he’d enter the race just so they could trash the woman receiving a paycheck at Fox. Oh and to throw people off the scent of this conspiracy they sent Karl on FOX to hit Perry as “unelectable”. Why...I bet if you look hard enough you can track down a Perry connection to all the polsters. You should get to work to find the connection! Dan rather might be available to help you.
And you guys wonder why so many people who once defended Palin want nothing to do with her “fans”.
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Maybe you can link the article you posted to this thread. Perhaps the writer of this article did. Admittedly, I haven’t read the article...yet....lol. I need to finish packing. I have to leave for the airport at 4:15AM.
“What surprises me, is the many numbers of republican WOMEN who will comment that Sarah Palin can’t win it, or she’s not educated enough, or she’s not experienced enough, or now, she has too much baggage. Women who have obviously not even taken a look at her record, her resume, or even bothered to delve further than the rhetoric they’re hearing on tv by the MSM.”
I posted this on a Coulter-Palin thread yesterday:
A woman who can deliver a killer speech like she did on Saturday and then get up on Sunday and run a 1:45 half marathon incognito just to work up an appetite for lunch and then deliver an even better speech the next day and then write a facebook release like what she did this morning knocking our idiot President on his butt of course just pisses everybody off. She’s got 5 kids for god’s sake. She even pisses me off, I can’t stand women who can do that. I don’t blame Laura Ingraham and Ann Coulter for hating her guts.
” There is also the fact that the Fox poll numbers are very different from a poll that CNN conducted just this last July. Ian noted at the time:
Hmmm. What happened between the July CNN poll and this Fox News poll? What could it be? Oh, I know! Perry declared his candidacy.
Since Perry wasn’t a candidate in July, it’s not unreasonable or suspicious that the poll numbers would change significantly after his entry into the race.”
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And Hmmm. So then we should expect the poll numbers to change significantly again when Palin declares her candidacy and gets in. That’s how it worked before, right?
Perry's Egghead, Fox's pollster
Have a great trip, onyx!
Plenty of nutty Perry fans. Funny how they don't elicit the same response from you.
Have fun Onyx!
what does it hurt if SP enters the race say Sept 30. If she is loser as this poll says, then what does it hurt Rick Perry?
this whole argument is like the NFL crowning its NFC champion before the regular season even starts based on last years performances and the hype coming out of training camp, and the exhibition season
I really hope Sarah takes her case to the voters. If she can’t persuade them, then we all move on.
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