Posted on 09/30/2023 8:31:19 AM PDT by ebb tide
Pope Francis' ambassador to the United States admonished Catholic bishops who claim to adhere to papal authority, while at the same time openly criticizing the current pontiff.
"The pope is not an idea. Some people say 'I am with the pope, but not with this one.' And they are mistaken. The pope is a real person," said Cardinal-designate Christophe Pierre on Sept. 29. "When the Lord chose Peter, he didn't choose an idea, he chose Peter and he said 'I choose you and I will build my church on you.' "
Pierre's remarks came in a brief interview with NCR just one day before the pope is set to elevate him to the church's College of Cardinals, the elite body that will one day elect Francis' successor.
While Pierre did not name any names, the controversial case of Bishop Joseph Strickland of Tyler, Texas, has dominated headlines in the U.S. Following a recent Vatican investigation into the management of his diocese, Strickland, a social media firebrand, has indicated that he would not willingly resign his position if the pope requested it.
Strickland has previously said that while he accepts that Francis is pope, he "reject[s] his program of undermining the Deposit of Faith."
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The Pope seems to say we should listen to Newman, and so I shall.
“if I am obliged to bring religion into after-dinner toasts, I shall drink—to the Pope, if you please—still, to Conscience first, and to the Pope afterwards.”
——St. John Henry Newman
https://www.firstthings.com/web-exclusives/2015/10/toasting-the-conscience#:~:text=But%2C%20he%20says%20“if%20I,in%20the%20primacy%20of%20conscience.
Listen to the Pope, sure. Follow an informed conscience, without a doubt. Does everything the Pope says need to inform conscience. No
Does everyone need to listen to everything the Pope says? No
If he sends the Bishops an encyclical, of course they should read it.
Does one have to listen to a Cardinal? If he’s your ordinary and he’s addressing you, of course.
I can listen to him without a problem. I will not follow anything he says that contradicts the Teaching of Christ.
Where were these folks during JP II and BXVI?
“I can listen to him without a problem. I will not follow anything he says that contradicts the Teaching of Christ.”
That’s it exactly. Sure, we listen to him. We can’t help it. The man never shuts up. But we are only obligated to agree with him to the extent that his teachings embody the perennial Catholic faith. When he strays into heresy, we must resist him. When he pushes his pet political causes, we can’t be forced to follow him.
Every pope, cardinal, bishop, and priest has a confessor… because they are sinners. We are not obliged to follow them in their opinions. When they speak from the Spirit of the Magisterium in concert with the Deposit of Faith… absolutely! When they seek to undermine the doctrine of faith… never.
Do we listen to Bergoglio or do we listen to the “spirit” in his evil Sin-Nod of Sin-Nods”?
Or is Jorge Bergoglio the actual “spirit”, the Zeitgeist” as Batzinger claims, of the Sin-Nod?
We should, indeed, listen to the pope, all of them through the centuries and not just the current one. The pope is the guardian of Tradition that has been handed down, not a new prophet to overturn that Tradition. The pope is just as bound by Tradition as any other Catholic.
Exactly right.
I met Pierre, he is a toady thug.
There appears to be a silence, except for a few, in full support of God’s Divine Revealed Truth.
Jesus came to divide and apparently it is working.
St Michael protect our faith.
Jesus I trust in you.
Galatians 2:11: “But when Cephas was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed.”
St Thomas More: “I die the king’s good servant, but God’s first.”
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