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[Catholic Caucus] New Cardinal Pierre's suggestion for US bishops: 'Always listen' to the pope
National Catholic Reporter ^ | September 29, 2023 | Christopher White

Posted on 09/30/2023 8:31:19 AM PDT by ebb tide

[Catholic Caucus] New Cardinal Pierre's suggestion for US bishops: 'Always listen' to the pope

Pope Francis' ambassador to the United States admonished Catholic bishops who claim to adhere to papal authority, while at the same time openly criticizing the current pontiff. 

"The pope is not an idea. Some people say 'I am with the pope, but not with this one.' And they are mistaken. The pope is a real person," said Cardinal-designate Christophe Pierre on Sept. 29. "When the Lord chose Peter, he didn't choose an idea, he chose Peter and he said 'I choose you and I will build my church on you.' "

Pierre's remarks came in a brief interview with NCR just one day before the pope is set to elevate him to the church's College of Cardinals, the elite body that will one day elect Francis' successor. 

While Pierre did not name any names, the controversial case of Bishop Joseph Strickland of Tyler, Texas, has dominated headlines in the U.S. Following a recent Vatican investigation into the management of his diocese, Strickland, a social media firebrand, has indicated that he would not willingly resign his position if the pope requested it. 

Strickland has previously said that while he accepts that Francis is pope, he "reject[s] his program of undermining the Deposit of Faith."

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A veiled threat to any U.S. bishops considering backing Joseph Strickland.
1 posted on 09/30/2023 8:31:19 AM PDT by ebb tide
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2 posted on 09/30/2023 8:31:56 AM PDT by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide

The Pope seems to say we should listen to Newman, and so I shall.

“if I am obliged to bring religion into after-dinner toasts, I shall drink—to the Pope, if you please—still, to Conscience first, and to the Pope afterwards.”

——St. John Henry Newman
https://www.firstthings.com/web-exclusives/2015/10/toasting-the-conscience#:~:text=But%2C%20he%20says%20“if%20I,in%20the%20primacy%20of%20conscience.

Listen to the Pope, sure. Follow an informed conscience, without a doubt. Does everything the Pope says need to inform conscience. No

Does everyone need to listen to everything the Pope says? No

If he sends the Bishops an encyclical, of course they should read it.

Does one have to listen to a Cardinal? If he’s your ordinary and he’s addressing you, of course.


3 posted on 09/30/2023 8:51:23 AM PDT by Hieronymus
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To: ebb tide

I can listen to him without a problem. I will not follow anything he says that contradicts the Teaching of Christ.

Where were these folks during JP II and BXVI?


4 posted on 09/30/2023 8:57:27 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana ("If you can’t say something nice . . . say the Rosary." [Red Badger])
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To: Dr. Sivana

“I can listen to him without a problem. I will not follow anything he says that contradicts the Teaching of Christ.”

That’s it exactly. Sure, we listen to him. We can’t help it. The man never shuts up. But we are only obligated to agree with him to the extent that his teachings embody the perennial Catholic faith. When he strays into heresy, we must resist him. When he pushes his pet political causes, we can’t be forced to follow him.


5 posted on 09/30/2023 9:27:54 AM PDT by irishjuggler
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To: ebb tide

Every pope, cardinal, bishop, and priest has a confessor… because they are sinners. We are not obliged to follow them in their opinions. When they speak from the Spirit of the Magisterium in concert with the Deposit of Faith… absolutely! When they seek to undermine the doctrine of faith… never.


6 posted on 09/30/2023 9:33:42 AM PDT by pgyanke (Republicans get in trouble when not living up to their principles. Democrats... when they do.)
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To: Dr. Sivana; irishjuggler
Pierre can't have it both ways.

Do we listen to Bergoglio or do we listen to the “spirit” in his evil Sin-Nod of Sin-Nods”?

Or is Jorge Bergoglio the actual “spirit”, the Zeitgeist” as Batzinger claims, of the Sin-Nod?

7 posted on 09/30/2023 10:07:03 AM PDT by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide
Do we listen to Bergoglio or do we listen to the “spirit” in his evil Sin-Nod of Sin-Nods”?

Well, Francis has stated that personal conscience is paramount, as is discernment, and that he is not a judge on moral matters.

He has no competency at all when he talks about climate or the mechanics of economics, so that doesn't leave much. That doesn't leave a lot to listen to him over.
8 posted on 09/30/2023 10:38:19 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana ("If you can’t say something nice . . . say the Rosary." [Red Badger])
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To: ebb tide

We should, indeed, listen to the pope, all of them through the centuries and not just the current one. The pope is the guardian of Tradition that has been handed down, not a new prophet to overturn that Tradition. The pope is just as bound by Tradition as any other Catholic.


9 posted on 09/30/2023 12:41:00 PM PDT by Petrosius
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To: Petrosius

Exactly right.


10 posted on 09/30/2023 6:12:50 PM PDT by Campion (Everything is a grace, everything is the direct effect of our Father's love - Little Flower)
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To: ebb tide

I met Pierre, he is a toady thug.


11 posted on 09/30/2023 7:09:57 PM PDT by FlyingEagle
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To: ebb tide

There appears to be a silence, except for a few, in full support of God’s Divine Revealed Truth.

Jesus came to divide and apparently it is working.

St Michael protect our faith.

Jesus I trust in you.


12 posted on 10/01/2023 5:27:21 PM PDT by ADSUM ( )
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To: ebb tide

Galatians 2:11: “But when Cephas was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed.”

St Thomas More: “I die the king’s good servant, but God’s first.”


13 posted on 10/01/2023 10:21:44 PM PDT by Chicory
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