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A veiled threat to any U.S. bishops considering backing Joseph Strickland.
1 posted on 09/30/2023 8:31:19 AM PDT by ebb tide
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2 posted on 09/30/2023 8:31:56 AM PDT by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide

The Pope seems to say we should listen to Newman, and so I shall.

“if I am obliged to bring religion into after-dinner toasts, I shall drink—to the Pope, if you please—still, to Conscience first, and to the Pope afterwards.”

——St. John Henry Newman
https://www.firstthings.com/web-exclusives/2015/10/toasting-the-conscience#:~:text=But%2C%20he%20says%20“if%20I,in%20the%20primacy%20of%20conscience.

Listen to the Pope, sure. Follow an informed conscience, without a doubt. Does everything the Pope says need to inform conscience. No

Does everyone need to listen to everything the Pope says? No

If he sends the Bishops an encyclical, of course they should read it.

Does one have to listen to a Cardinal? If he’s your ordinary and he’s addressing you, of course.


3 posted on 09/30/2023 8:51:23 AM PDT by Hieronymus
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I can listen to him without a problem. I will not follow anything he says that contradicts the Teaching of Christ.

Where were these folks during JP II and BXVI?


4 posted on 09/30/2023 8:57:27 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana ("If you can’t say something nice . . . say the Rosary." [Red Badger])
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Every pope, cardinal, bishop, and priest has a confessor… because they are sinners. We are not obliged to follow them in their opinions. When they speak from the Spirit of the Magisterium in concert with the Deposit of Faith… absolutely! When they seek to undermine the doctrine of faith… never.


6 posted on 09/30/2023 9:33:42 AM PDT by pgyanke (Republicans get in trouble when not living up to their principles. Democrats... when they do.)
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To: ebb tide

We should, indeed, listen to the pope, all of them through the centuries and not just the current one. The pope is the guardian of Tradition that has been handed down, not a new prophet to overturn that Tradition. The pope is just as bound by Tradition as any other Catholic.


9 posted on 09/30/2023 12:41:00 PM PDT by Petrosius
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To: ebb tide

I met Pierre, he is a toady thug.


11 posted on 09/30/2023 7:09:57 PM PDT by FlyingEagle
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To: ebb tide

There appears to be a silence, except for a few, in full support of God’s Divine Revealed Truth.

Jesus came to divide and apparently it is working.

St Michael protect our faith.

Jesus I trust in you.


12 posted on 10/01/2023 5:27:21 PM PDT by ADSUM ( )
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To: ebb tide

Galatians 2:11: “But when Cephas was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed.”

St Thomas More: “I die the king’s good servant, but God’s first.”


13 posted on 10/01/2023 10:21:44 PM PDT by Chicory
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