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When plague in Italy killed 1.5 million people in a single year ~ Saint Frances of Rome and the Plague of 1656
Gloria Romanorum ^ | March 9, 2020 | Florentius

Posted on 03/09/2020 8:33:53 AM PDT by Antoninus

Today, March 9, is the feast day of Saint Frances of Rome. She was an Italian woman who lived in the late 14th and early 15th centuries. A previous post about this amazing saint may be found here. It was claimed that in 40 years of marriage, Saint Frances never once quarreled with her husband.

St. Frances was invoked as an intercessor by the people of Rome even centuries after her death.

In AD 1656, a ship entered the harbor at Barletta carrying a deadly pathogen—very likely, the Black Plague. The town was immediately infected and the impact was dramatic. By the time the plague abated a year later, about half of the town's 20,000 citizens had been killed. It is speculated that the Kingdom of Naples suffered 1.5 million deaths as a result of the plague. Read more here.

Meanwhile, it appears that the affliction was considerably less in Rome by comparison. The city suffered a mere 9,000 deaths during the same period. This reprieve is celebrated in several works of art from this period, including the one shown above by Nicholas Poussin entitled Sainte Françoise Romaine (1657). This work was commissioned by Cardinal Giulio Rospigliosi, who would later be elected Pope Clement IX. Poussin created the image to celebrate the end of the plague and interpretations of its content vary. It shows either Saint Frances appearing in a vision to a devout 17th century Roman woman begging her intercession (as per the Lourve website), or the Blessed Virgin appearing to St. Frances in response to her own prayers (as per Sheila Barker in Art, Architecture, and the Roman Plague of 1656).

In either interpretation, the artist offers a spiritual solution for those in the midst of a deadly pestilence. In the background, an archangel armed with a sword chases a personification of plague: a monstrous being who can be seen carrying off one of the victims.

With the outbreak of the COVID-19 virus in Italy and the subsequent closure of all churches in Rome for a month, may Saint Frances intercede on behalf of of the Italian people and anyone who is suffering from the virus. May Christ bring swift succor to the infected, relief to those who are enduring anxiety, and comfort to those whose family members have died.


TOPICS: Catholic; History; Prayer
KEYWORDS: blackdeath; blackplague; bubonicplague; coronavirus; covid19; disease; europe; godsgravesglyphs; plague; rome; saint; yersiniapestis
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To: Antoninus

Augustine was a nice guy, but just a man and not inspired.

“ Without even a second thought.

And since you couldn’t find a single time an Apostle prayed to anyone but God, that appears to be your bible study method too.


61 posted on 03/10/2020 5:18:33 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: aMorePerfectUnion
And since you couldn’t find a single time an Apostle prayed to anyone but God, that appears to be your bible study method too.

No, my Scripture study involves reading the words written in the Old and New Testaments and enjoying the interpretations of those words by those wise men who gave their lives for Christ and who...you know...actually spoke the ancient languages.
62 posted on 03/10/2020 5:26:17 PM PDT by Antoninus ("In Washington, swamp drain you.")
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To: aMorePerfectUnion
Catholics don't act like pagans do they?
 

 
 
 
 
 
And a few more dead bodes to venerate...

 
 

 

Necrophilia is a major sin BTW, but who cares right since it's tradition?

63 posted on 03/10/2020 5:34:09 PM PDT by Roman_War_Criminal (Like Enoch, Noah, & Lot, the True Church will soon be removed & then destruction comes forth.)
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To: Antoninus
and enjoying the interpretations of those words by those wise men who gave their lives for Christ and who...you know...actually spoke the ancient languages.

Ah, outsourcing "loving God with all your mind."

Your call.

Many of us here do read and translate the Biblical languages. Fortunately, you do not have to speak them, since no one does speak Koine Greek.

But we have excellent manuscripts now.

64 posted on 03/10/2020 5:41:05 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: Roman_War_Criminal

They do like their bones and other assorted body parts.


65 posted on 03/10/2020 5:41:35 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: Antoninus

You do understand that Christ died ONCE. For ALL sin.

But if course you don’t. Otherwise you would not be “advising” me. Because we are saved by the Gospel of the GRACE of God. NOT the Kingdom Gospel. See, we are in a different dispensation. We are not ISRAEL. YOU are not ISRAEL. Even though you are following a program for Israel.

But you cannot know this. Because you are groping blindly down the path of works for your salvation


66 posted on 03/10/2020 5:43:53 PM PDT by smvoice (I WILL NOT WEAR THE RIBBON.)
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To: Antoninus

I’m trying to understand geographically how Italy became the most infected country after China. Is Italy a major destination for Chinese tourists?


67 posted on 03/10/2020 5:49:21 PM PDT by jersey117
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To: jersey117

I can’t answer your question.
But I was amazed at the Chinese presence in the Caribbean. They are all over the place in businesses.


68 posted on 03/10/2020 5:51:27 PM PDT by nascarnation
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To: Antoninus
When plague in Italy killed 1.5 million people in a single year ~ Saint Frances of Rome and the Plague of 1656

USofA's own plague; CHOICE; kills about 1,000,000 a year.

When is the quarantine going into effect for THAT?

69 posted on 03/11/2020 4:59:40 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: smvoice
You do understand that Christ died ONCE. For ALL sin. But if course you don’t. Otherwise you would not be “advising” me.

Translation: Because Christ died for sin, I can sin all I want and even do things Jesus specifically told us not to do.

Awesome theology. Utterly wrong, but it works perfectly if you want to live sinfully and still call yourself a Christian.
70 posted on 03/11/2020 5:04:06 AM PDT by Antoninus ("In Washington, swamp drain you.")
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To: Roman_War_Criminal
Necrophilia is a major sin BTW, but who cares right since it's tradition?

Venerating relics of martyrs is not "necrophilia". It's also a practice that goes back to the earliest days of the Church. Whatever it is that you're doing, it's not Christianity.
71 posted on 03/11/2020 5:05:24 AM PDT by Antoninus ("In Washington, swamp drain you.")
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To: Antoninus
No Christian, now or then, has ever equated the saints with "lower gods".

However; Mary has been noted...

Let's try some easy math:
 
 
 

There are approximately 1.2 billion Catholics world wide;
 
If merely 1% of them  'ask' Mary for help just once each day;
 
that means that 12 million separate prayers are headed Mary's direction every day.
 

Given that there are 86,400 seconds per day... (24 hours times 60 minutes times 60 seconds)
 
...that means that Mary has to handle approximately 139 'requests' per second!
 
Purty good fer someone NOT 'divine'!

72 posted on 03/11/2020 5:06:47 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Antoninus
If you were a seeker of truth, you'd discard the ridiculous teachings of the 16th century charlatans and seek out how the Fathers of the Church interpreted Sacred Scripture.

Call no man father.

73 posted on 03/11/2020 5:07:38 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Antoninus
The rule seems to be, whenever someone puts forth the teachings of the ancient Church over those of the 16th century noob theology, call out the cavalry.

The CATHOLIC rule seems to be, whenever someone puts forth the teachings of the ancient BIBLE, over those of the current Roman Catholic Church theology, call out the writings of the Early Church Fathers.

74 posted on 03/11/2020 5:09:52 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Antoninus
...Saint Augustine, who was both a Roman and a Christian...


"What more shall I teach you than what we read in the apostle?
For Holy Scripture fixes the rule for our doctrine, lest we dare to be wiser than we ought.
Therefore I should not teach you anything else except to expound to you the words of the Teacher."

 Augustine  (De bono viduitatis)

75 posted on 03/11/2020 5:11:25 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Antoninus
And whosoever shall say, Thou Fool, shall be in danger of hell fire. [Matthew 5:21-22]
 

Galatians 3:1-14 

1 You foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? Before your very eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed as crucified. 2 I would like to learn just one thing from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by believing what you heard? 3 Are you so foolish? After beginning by means of the Spirit, are you now trying to finish by means of the flesh? 4 Have you experienced so much in vain—if it really was in vain? 5 So again I ask, does God give you his Spirit and work miracles among you by the works of the law, or by your believing what you heard? 6 So also Abraham “believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness.”

7 Understand, then, that those who have faith are children of Abraham. 8 Scripture foresaw that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, and announced the gospel in advance to Abraham: “All nations will be blessed through you.” 9 So those who rely on faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith.

10 For all who rely on the works of the law are under a curse, as it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.” 11 Clearly no one who relies on the law is justified before God, because “the righteous will live by faith.” 12 The law is not based on faith; on the contrary, it says, “The person who does these things will live by them.” 13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: “Cursed is everyone who is hung on a pole.” 14 He redeemed us in order that the blessing given to Abraham might come to the Gentiles through Christ Jesus, so that by faith we might receive the promise of the Spirit.

 



Paul!!  As your son in Christ, I advise you to take back what you said; so long ago!!

 

 


76 posted on 03/11/2020 5:19:20 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Antoninus
Matthew 23:17
  You blind fools! Which is greater: the gold, or the temple that makes the gold sacred?



CHRIST!!  As your brother, I advise you to take back what you said; so long ago!!

 

 


77 posted on 03/11/2020 5:21:42 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Antoninus

 
 

Psalm 14:1 ESV 
To the choirmaster. Of David.
The fool says in his heart, “There is no God.” They are corrupt, they do abominable deeds, there is none who does good.
 

Luke 12:16-20 ESV
 But God said to him, ‘fool! This night your soul is required of you, and the things you have prepared, whose will they be?’
 

1 Corinthians 1:27 ESV
But God chose what is foolish in the world to shame the wise; God chose what is weak in the world to shame the strong;
 

1 Corinthians 3:18 ESV 
Let no one deceive himself. If anyone among you thinks that he is wise in this age, let him become a fool that he may become wise.
 

James 2:20-24 ESV 
Do you want to be shown, you foolish person, that faith apart from works is useless?
 
 
 

Oh NO!!  Evidence that even David, GOD the Father, and James; too; said that nasty word,  so long ago!!


 
 
Proverbs 14:7 ESV 
Leave the presence of a fool, for there you do not meet words of knowledge.
 

78 posted on 03/11/2020 5:35:28 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Antoninus
I would trust Augustine's knowledge of Scripture over any...

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O... K...


 

As regards the oft-quoted Mt. 16:18 (And less understood)
 
 
 

Augustine, sermon:

"Christ, you see, built his Church not on a man but on Peter's confession. What is Peter's confession? 'You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.' There's the rock for you, there's the foundation, there's where the Church has been built, which the gates of the underworld cannot conquer.John Rotelle, O.S.A., Ed., The Works of Saint Augustine , © 1993 New City Press, Sermons, Vol III/6, Sermon 229P.1, p. 327

 

Augustine, sermon:

Upon this rock, said the Lord, I will build my Church. Upon this confession, upon this that you said, 'You are the Christ, the Son of the living God,' I will build my Church, and the gates of hell shall not conquer her (Mt. 16:18). John Rotelle, Ed., The Works of Saint Augustine (New Rochelle: New City, 1993) Sermons, Volume III/7, Sermon 236A.3, p. 48.

 

Augustine, sermon:

For petra (rock) is not derived from Peter, but Peter from petra; just as Christ is not called so from the Christian, but the Christian from Christ. For on this very account the Lord said, 'On this rock will I build my Church,' because Peter had said, 'Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.' On this rock, therefore, He said, which thou hast confessed, I will build my Church. For the Rock (Petra) was Christ; and on this foundation was Peter himself built. For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Christ Jesus. The Church, therefore, which is founded in Christ received from Him the keys of the kingdom of heaven in the person of Peter, that is to say, the power of binding and loosing sins. For what the Church is essentially in Christ, such representatively is Peter in the rock (petra); and in this representation Christ is to be understood as the Rock, Peter as the Church. — Augustine Tractate CXXIV; Philip Schaff, Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers: First Series, Volume VII Tractate CXXIV (http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/npnf107.iii.cxxv.html)

 

Augustine, sermon:

And Peter, one speaking for the rest of them, one for all, said, You are the Christ, the Son of the living God (Mt 16:15-16)...And I tell you: you are Peter; because I am the rock, you are Rocky, Peter-I mean, rock doesn't come from Rocky, but Rocky from rock, just as Christ doesn't come from Christian, but Christian from Christ; and upon this rock I will build my Church (Mt 16:17-18); not upon Peter, or Rocky, which is what you are, but upon the rock which you have confessed. I will build my Church though; I will build you, because in this answer of yours you represent the Church. — John Rotelle, O.S.A. Ed., The Works of Saint Augustine (New Rochelle: New City Press, 1993), Sermons, Volume III/7, Sermon 270.2, p. 289

 

Augustine, sermon:

Peter had already said to him, 'You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.' He had already heard, 'Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jona, because flesh and blood did not reveal it to you, but my Father who is in heaven. And I tell you, that you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my Church, and the gates of the underworld shall not conquer her' (Mt 16:16-18)...Christ himself was the rock, while Peter, Rocky, was only named from the rock. That's why the rock rose again, to make Peter solid and strong; because Peter would have perished, if the rock hadn't lived. — John Rotelle, Ed., The Works of Saint Augustine (New Rochelle: New City, 1993) Sermons, Volume III/7, Sermon 244.1, p. 95

 

Augustine, sermon:

...because on this rock, he said, I will build my Church, and the gates of the underworld shall not overcome it (Mt. 16:18). Now the rock was Christ (1 Cor. 10:4). Was it Paul that was crucified for you? Hold on to these texts, love these texts, repeat them in a fraternal and peaceful manner. — John Rotelle, Ed., The Works of Saint Augustine (New Rochelle: New City Press, 1995), Sermons, Volume III/10, Sermon 358.5, p. 193

 

Augustine, Psalm LXI:

Let us call to mind the Gospel: 'Upon this Rock I will build My Church.' Therefore She crieth from the ends of the earth, whom He hath willed to build upon a Rock. But in order that the Church might be builded upon the Rock, who was made the Rock? Hear Paul saying: 'But the Rock was Christ.' On Him therefore builded we have been. — Philip Schaff, Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers (Grand Rapids: Eerdmans, 1956), Volume VIII, Saint Augustin, Exposition on the Book of Psalms, Psalm LXI.3, p. 249. (http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/npnf108.ii.LXI.html)

 

Augustine, in “Retractions,”

In a passage in this book, I said about the Apostle Peter: 'On him as on a rock the Church was built.'...But I know that very frequently at a later time, I so explained what the Lord said: 'Thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my Church,' that it be understood as built upon Him whom Peter confessed saying: 'Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God,' and so Peter, called after this rock, represented the person of the Church which is built upon this rock, and has received 'the keys of the kingdom of heaven.' For, 'Thou art Peter' and not 'Thou art the rock' was said to him. But 'the rock was Christ,' in confessing whom, as also the whole Church confesses, Simon was called Peter. But let the reader decide which of these two opinions is the more probable. — The Fathers of the Church (Washington D.C., Catholic University, 1968), Saint Augustine, The Retractations Chapter 20.1:.

 

79 posted on 03/11/2020 5:49:36 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Antoninus
No, my Scripture study involves reading the words written in the Old and New Testaments and enjoying the interpretations of those words...

Matthew 23:9
And do not call anyone on earth 'father,' for you have one Father, and he is in heaven.

80 posted on 03/11/2020 5:52:06 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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