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When Atheists Start Defending Christianity…
The Caldron Pool ^ | 6-27-19 | James Jeffery

Posted on 07/10/2019 8:47:27 PM PDT by ReformationFan

You know that things have really spiralled downward when Princeton atheist and bioethicist — Peter Singer — is defending Israel Folau and his freedom to express his Christian convictions. Singer writes:

[Folau’s] post no more expresses hatred toward homosexuals than cigarette warnings express hatred toward smokers.

The only rational reason that anyone would get so upset about Folau’s post is if you actually believe that he is speaking the truth about heaven and hell. Singer continues:

[Folau’s beliefs] do not trouble me, because there is, in my view, no god, no afterlife, and no hell. Nor do I differentiate, ethically, between homosexual and heterosexual relationships.

And for all those who suggest that Folau’s Instagram post will lead to an avalanche of mental health problems for those engaged in homosexual relationships, it is only logical to conclude that the other seven categories of people will suffer from the same consequences.

As Singer continues:

[Folau] even tells homosexuals that Jesus loves them, and calls on them to repent so that they can avoid burning in hell for eternity. That doesn’t sound like hate speech.

In fact, Singer is exactly right. It sounds a lot more like ‘love speech’ than ‘hate speech.’ Just as a tsunami or earthquake warning is a blessing, so is Folau’s post, if it is indeed true.

And shouldn’t we be listening to Folau’s perspective if he is indeed a member of an ethnic and religious minority?

Israel Folau is ethnically an islander — The 2011 census recorded 9211 Australian-born Tongans living in Australia (0.004% of the Australian population). McCrindle research suggests that only 9 per cent of Australians are strongly active and practising Christians. Israel is not only an ethnic minority but also a religious minority. And yet he is being attacked left, right and centre for his beliefs, which are protected by legislation.

Article 27 of the Australian Government Civil and Political Human Rights Covenant states:

In those States in which ethnic, religious or linguistic minorities exist, persons belonging to such minorities shall not be denied the right, in community with the other members of the group. to enjoy their own culture, to profess and practise their own religion, or to use their own language.

We have descended to a point where any perspective that differs from your own can be considered ‘hate speech.’

As we’ve come to see, the Israel Folau case is the tip of the iceberg. The social climate has been brewing like this for nearly a decade. What started off as a campaign to legalise same-sex marriage progressed to being a campaign for the endorsement of homosexuality.

It has gone one step further now — the secular Left must censor any perspective that does not accord with their radical ideology.

Things have gone so downward that the Princeton philosopher —who has been renown for open advocation of homosexuality, bestiality and infanticide — is now openly defending Christianity.

When atheists start to defend Christianity, you know the world truly has gone mad.


TOPICS: Current Events; Evangelical Christian; Moral Issues; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: australia; genderdysphoria; homosexualagenda; israelfolau; jamesjeffery; petersinger; princeton; religiousliberty

1 posted on 07/10/2019 8:47:27 PM PDT by ReformationFan
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To: ReformationFan

Whoa, now. I do so regularly. I’m glad to see that someone with a bit more of a say has stepped up to the plate, though.


2 posted on 07/10/2019 8:57:10 PM PDT by Tacrolimus1mg (Do no harm, but take no sh!t.)
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To: Tacrolimus1mg

It’s called survival. The liber red guards are starting to eat their own and everybody is now for dinner.


3 posted on 07/10/2019 9:00:22 PM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death by cultsther)
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To: ReformationFan
Schaeffer was prescient: “If there are no absolutes by which to judge society, then society is absolute.” Francis Schaeffer, How Shall We Then Live? (Old Tappan NJ: Fleming H Revell Company, 1976), p. 224.
4 posted on 07/10/2019 9:03:06 PM PDT by Fungi
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To: ReformationFan

[[Singer continues: [Folau’s beliefs] do not trouble me, because there is, in my view, no god, no afterlife, and no hell.]]

Sir God was here, on earth, witnessed by many, written about by many- Died and rose again, and again, witnessed and written about by many- Hopefully someday You’ll come to understand you mistake- May God Himself open your eyes


5 posted on 07/10/2019 9:06:31 PM PDT by Bob434
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To: ReformationFan

It sounds more like the world is starting to get a little saner.


6 posted on 07/10/2019 9:15:46 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (May Jesus Christ be praised.)
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To: Tacrolimus1mg

He is consistent with his beliefs and my I have thought the same about people being feigning such outrage. Is it they protesteth too much? Either in the pit of their stomach they get that awful feeling that this may just be true or as I think moreso they get the sense that their behaviour is being judged by others and they rise in hate toward anyone who would judge their behaviour. Being your own God is a heck of a burden!


7 posted on 07/10/2019 9:16:37 PM PDT by melsec (There's a track, winding back, to an old forgotten shack along the road to Gundagai..)
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To: ReformationFan

It used to be not long ago, that it was difficult to imagine what kind of depraved society Lot had been tolerating.

Now we know. Lot was a judgmental homophobe. He even had the audacity to offer the men his daughters, which was like generously offering a steak... to a hungry, militant vegan.

Triggered.


8 posted on 07/10/2019 9:26:35 PM PDT by Ezekiel (The pun is mightier than the s-word.)
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To: Tacrolimus1mg
Whoa, now. I do so regularly. I’m glad to see that someone with a bit more of a say has stepped up to the plate, though.

Me too, but I'm an agnostic. Does that count?

9 posted on 07/10/2019 9:56:43 PM PDT by null and void (The Left isn't banning "Hate Speach", they are banning speach they hate. BIG difference.)
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To: null and void

I think one reason the APA delisted homosexuality as a mental disorder was because gays objected to being put in straitjackets...


10 posted on 07/10/2019 9:58:45 PM PDT by null and void (The Left isn't banning "Hate Speach", they are banning speach they hate. BIG difference.)
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To: Bob434

Amen. Christ has died. Christ has risen. Christ will come again.


11 posted on 07/10/2019 10:03:43 PM PDT by jmacusa ("If wisdom is not the Lord, what is wisdom?''.)
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To: ReformationFan

“[Folau’s] post no more expresses hatred toward homosexuals than cigarette warnings express hatred toward smokers.”

Good analogy.


12 posted on 07/10/2019 10:56:04 PM PDT by aquila48
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To: ReformationFan

Homosexual and what 7 categories of people?


13 posted on 07/11/2019 12:19:55 AM PDT by NetAddicted (Just looking)
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To: melsec
" I think moreso they get the sense that their behaviour is being judged by others and they rise in hate toward anyone who would judge their behaviour."

If they are being judged by others, God not being one of them, then what is it that qualifies them if they're not an actual judge or part of a jury in a courtroom? How are they more "qualified" to make any assumptions?
14 posted on 07/11/2019 2:10:03 AM PDT by equaviator (There's nothing like the universe to bring you down to earth.)
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To: melsec

You are describing exactly what happened tp Lot in the city of Sodom.


15 posted on 07/11/2019 5:27:56 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: ReformationFan

Peter Singer is a man of horrific views but I have to give him credit here. He has stated the obvious and it is nice to see it coming from someone who is usually hostile.


16 posted on 07/11/2019 8:08:23 AM PDT by CommerceComet (Hillary: A unique blend of arrogance, incompetence, and corruption.)
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To: melsec

Some of these people might be in the early stages of a process in which God has begun to whisper to them “things will be fine.” Somehow Christendom isn’t the Worst Boogie Man after all. They’re there to express their care in terms that they understand, and that’s better than no care at all.

One problem known to Christendom is that of people going to eternal hell, but a less discussed problem (because it involves much more nuance) is that of eternal hell knocking on the earthly door of people who haven’t yet been damned. Maybe it’s because talk about eternal hell looks so glamorous, and talk about slogging it out through a siege of Satan is far less glamorous.


17 posted on 07/11/2019 6:23:30 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (May Jesus Christ be praised.)
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