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1 posted on 12/05/2017 7:37:41 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

I see where he’s coming from.

It would be easy to lose faith in God if it were based on faith in people.


2 posted on 12/05/2017 7:40:31 AM PST by pax_et_bonum (Never Forget the SEALs of Extortion 17 - and God Bless The United States of America.)
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Such a shame. He based his faith in God’s word on the actions of men not on the word of God.


3 posted on 12/05/2017 7:41:46 AM PST by jmaroneps37 (Conservatism is truth. Liberalism is lies.)
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“Jim Palmer, a former evangelical pastor who once served in ministry at Willow Creek Community Church”

It’s a stretch to call Willow Creek a church.


4 posted on 12/05/2017 7:41:55 AM PST by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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Yeah, every time I question my faith and belief in God, I set up a radical “humanist” agency. Phew!


5 posted on 12/05/2017 7:42:20 AM PST by miss marmelstein
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Sad in so many ways. Now he is placing all his eggs in the basket of his fellow humans.

This is going to be a mixed bag, but he sounds like a true believer. Even after he gets walked on and used, he will still believe in his fellow man as the font of all that is good.

Sad.


6 posted on 12/05/2017 7:42:39 AM PST by rlmorel (Liberals: American Liberty is the egg that requires breaking to make their Utopian omelette.)
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"Palmer, who is a member of The Clergy Project, an organization that supports religious leaders who no longer believe in God, hosted a screening of a documentary about the organization called "Losing Our Religion" at the Metro police department's West Precinct on Sunday."

Wat?

7 posted on 12/05/2017 7:43:17 AM PST by StAnDeliver (Prosecute the win. Run up the score.)
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Satan won this one.

All the Enemy needed to do was cause other people to behave in evil.

Low-hanging fruit, apparently.


8 posted on 12/05/2017 7:43:31 AM PST by Lazamataz (The "news" networks and papers are bitter, dangerous enemies of the American people.)
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Evidently all humanists, unlike some “Christians,” never beat their spouses.


9 posted on 12/05/2017 7:43:37 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (<img src="http://i.imgur.com/WukZwJP.gif" width=800>)
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Don’t look at the people. Some people are bad all over. Look to the loving eyes of Jesus. I bet everyone has stories like this or similar; doesn’t take far to see this stuff.


10 posted on 12/05/2017 7:44:05 AM PST by Karliner (Jeremiah29:11,Romans8:28 Isa 17, Damascus has fallen)
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Difficult events are a crucible that tests our faith.

It sounds as if he had a very weak faith, sadly.

“The seed sown on rocky ground is the one who hears the word and promptly receives it with joy. But since he has no root, he remains for only a season. When trouble or persecution comes because of the word, he quickly falls away.…

Matthew 13:20,21


12 posted on 12/05/2017 7:44:19 AM PST by aMorePerfectUnion
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He thinks he was wrong once. He can certainly be wrong again. Yet he still wants to dictate to people based on his underinformed and reasoned opinion.


13 posted on 12/05/2017 7:44:57 AM PST by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics.)
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God allowed him a challenge and this guy, after all the other obstacles in life God brought him through, fails this challenge and is now working for the opposing team?

When people are anointed/called by God the enemy will attack, you will be challenged time and again and again. satan wants to use people like this guy is choosing to be used to steer more away from Christ because it’s the easier route than sticking with God through the excruciating, horrible or lonely times in life.


14 posted on 12/05/2017 7:46:00 AM PST by b4me (God Bless the USA)
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How can one preach about God when one puts his faith in men and judges God by the actions of men?


15 posted on 12/05/2017 7:46:40 AM PST by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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So his staff member beat people... so he flips God the finger and decides that humanism is super awesome... because God made the staff member beat people but humankind is really good.

Idiot.


17 posted on 12/05/2017 7:47:30 AM PST by Skywise
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Poor silly man never understood Christianity in the first place. God is not Santa Claus who gives you everything you pray for. He failed the test of faith and wants others to share his failure.


18 posted on 12/05/2017 7:49:25 AM PST by gspurlock (http://www.backyardfence.wordpress.com)
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Perhaps we should pray for this man, and for all the lost souls, that the Good Shepherd find each one and bring them back home.


19 posted on 12/05/2017 7:49:34 AM PST by FamiliarFace
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“We’ve got to pull up our big boy and big girl panties and be human beings.”

Dime store physician, heal THYSELF! Sadly, this man is an example of how certain personalities can end up in pulpits and wing it with a very shallow Scriptural foundation. One cannot be steeped in God’s Word and suddenly be thrown off by man’s wickedness. Where is his sense of his OWN? I bet it’s tiny. Apart from the strong antidote of God’s FREE GIFT in Christ, seeing how wicked YOU are, after all the delusions are stripped away....THAT can throw a man off!


20 posted on 12/05/2017 7:50:59 AM PST by avenir ("But as for you, teach what accords with sound doctrine."--Titus 2)
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In looking at their pictures, quite the faces of a couple of shysters. They’ll be taking a group for some $.


22 posted on 12/05/2017 7:52:42 AM PST by marychesnutfan
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"Beneath the appearance and the surfaces of people's lives there was a level of suffering and brokenness for which my theology did not touch."

I suspect this is because his theology was wrapped up in the "Expect a Miracle" crowd that thinks the only thing that prevents miracles from happening is a lack of faith.

Look at the Book of Acts and the number of misfortunes that befell them. Was it because they didn't believe hard enough?

Sometimes misfortunes happen to godly people and God allows it because it enhances our "street cred" with others who suffer, furthers our empathy and forces a deeper reliance on the character of Jesus and not some superficial ATM version of Jesus.

Jesus promises "I will never leave you nor forsake you." He doesn't promise a bed of roses. In fact, the lives of many Christians are just the opposite and it is often to wring the self-reliance out of us.

24 posted on 12/05/2017 7:56:34 AM PST by OrangeHoof (Let Trump Be Trump. Would you rather have Hillary?)
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To sum up: “My faith in God was shaken by the actions of humans. So, I decided to place my faith in humans.” And, THEY are supposed to be the rational thinkers?


25 posted on 12/05/2017 7:57:17 AM PST by tnlibertarian
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