Posted on 10/14/2017 7:15:00 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
It’s been a time of calamities: Hurricanes Harvey and Irma, flooding in South Asia and Africa and a massive earthquake in Mexico have led to widespread devastation around the globe.
Some people seem to think this is divine retribution for the sins of humanity: Kirk Cameron, former child actor, said in a video on Facebook that Hurricane Harvey and Irma were “a spectacular display of God’s immense power” and were sent so human beings could repent. Earlier, after seeing the devastation of Hurricane Harvey, conservative Christian pastor John McTernan had noted that “God is systematically destroying America” out of anger over “the homosexual agenda.”
Others disagreed over the reasons for God’s anger, but not necessarily with the assumption that God can be wrathful. Jennifer Lawrence suggested that Irma was “mother nature’s rage and wrath” at America for electing Donald Trump.
It is true that many religious traditions, including Judaism and Christianity, have seen natural disasters as divine punishment. But, as a scholar of religion, I would argue that things aren’t that simple.
Some of the earliest narratives of divine retribution go back to 2000 B.C. The Sumerian Epic of Gilgamesh tells the story of a catastrophic flood.
The gods decide to bring rain down to end the “uproar” of humankind. But the god of the waters, Enki, warns the righteous man, Utnapishtim, about the impending disaster.
Utnapishtim saves himself and his family by constructing a boat.
Elements of this story are later echoed in the Hebrew Bible’s Book of Genesis. God is angry because the Earth is filled with violence caused by human beings and vows to “destroy both them and the Earth.”
Noah is a “blameless” man, and God tells him to build an ark that would be large enough to hold his family and “two of all living creatures.” Although humanity perishes in a deluge, Noah preserves life on Earth.
It might seem straightforward to say that natural disasters in the Bible are associated with God’s anger, but that means missing the complexity of the text.
In the Genesis account, after the waters subside, God makes a covenant with Noah:
“Never again will I destroy all living creatures.”
This promise not to destroy humankind is also referred to in the Book of Isaiah, the Israelite prophet and seer. In a vision, God says that just as he vowed to Noah that water “would never again cover the Earth,” so too he promises not “to be angry.”
The question of God’s anger is intimately connected to the problem of human suffering. After all, how can a loving God cause indiscriminate human misery?
We first need to look at how suffering is portrayed in the texts. For example, it is also in the Book of Isaiah that we find the story of the “Man of Sorrows” – a man who takes on the sufferings of others and is an image of piety.
While the Bible does speak of humans suffering because of their sins, some of the most moving passages speak about how innocent people suffer as well.
The Book of Job relates the story of a “blameless and upright man,” Job, whom Satan causes to experience all sorts of calamities. The suffering becomes so intense that Job wishes he had never been born. God then speaks from the heavens and explains to Job that God’s ways surpass human understanding.
The Hebrew Bible recognizes that people suffer often through no fault of their own. Most famously, Psalm 42 is an extended lament about suffering that nonetheless concludes by praising God.
The Hebrew Bible’s views on suffering cannot be encapsulated by a single message. Sometimes suffering is caused by God, sometimes by Satan and sometimes by other human beings. But sometimes the purpose behind suffering remains hidden.
The Christian tradition also provides diverse answers to the issue of suffering.
The New Testament does refer to the Genesis flood when talking about God punishing human beings. For example, Paul the Apostle observes that God brought the flood on “the ungodly” people of the world. Earthquakes are also mentioned as signs of the end of time in the Bible’s Book of Revelation.
But the Epistle of James, a letter in the New Testament often attributed to Jesus’ brother or stepbrother, says that God tests no one. In fact, those who endure trials are eventually rewarded. The early Christian philosopher Origen argued that through suffering we can understand our own weaknesses and dependence on God.
In these views, suffering is not punishment but something that draws human beings to closer God and to one another.
Moving to more contemporary reflections, philosopher Dewi Zephaniah Phillips argues that it is mistaken to attribute to God a human feeling like anger because God lies beyond human reality.
Believing that hurricanes, floods, and earthquakes are “God’s punishment” reduces the divine to human terms.
Some theologians totally reject the idea of suffering as divine retribution because such an act would be unworthy of a merciful God. From a Christian perspective, God also suffered by being crucified on the cross as Jesus Christ.
And so, as a Roman Catholic scholar, I would argue that God suffers with people in Texas and Florida – as well as with those in India, Nepal, Bangladesh, parts of Africa and Mexico.
In the words of German theologian Jurgen Moltmann,
“God heals the sicknesses and the griefs by making the sicknesses and the griefs his suffering and his grief.”
So, instead of dwelling on God’s wrath, we need to understand God’s kindness and mercy. And that, in times of crises and distress, it is kindness and mercy that require us to reach out to those who need comfort and assistance.
In our “Tour of the Bible” our Sunday School Class this week is making a stop in the Book of Jeremiah. Just substitute America for Judah, its people and leaders not to mention false prophets and religious leaders . . . it’s chilling making the comparison.
Matthew 5:45
“...for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.”
[[Christian Faith Doesn’t Just Say Natural Disasters Are God’s Retribution]]
Don’t know that it ever does EXCEPT in certain biblical events that were divinely driven for a specific purpose- as for natural disasters today- We do NOT know enough about htem to decide that it must be God’s ‘retribution’ on certain societies or cultures or people- consider the following from Christianthinktank:
[[ Second, we must focus on clarity of terms. ‘Natural evil’ is, strictly speaking, a misnomer. What is actually under discussion is the problem of ‘agent-less pain’ or ‘agent-less untimely death’ or the such like.
This distinction is important. “Evil” implies some kind of moral agent—local or remote. But in the two cases we will examine here—children being killed in a natural disaster earthquake, or the excessive pain felt in certain types of terminal illnesses (such as the ‘hot virus’ referred to)—there is no ‘agent’ to do the ‘evil-ing’ as it were. The issue is NOT ‘evil’ per se, but something else. We will need to isolate those ‘something elses’ for analysis.....
-————We generally do NOT have that kind of information about today’s events being of this type—we cannot therefore assume that any specific event (e.g. earthquake, volcano, plague) is a judgment from God. It would somehow fall into some ‘global’ will of God—in some indirect/permissive kinda sense—but this would not have enough ‘predictive power’ to dismiss the event easily.....]]
http://christianthinktank.com/natevl.html
“it is mistaken to attribute to God a human feeling like anger”
No, the Holy Bible attributes emotions like love, hate and anger to God in many places. examples:
Proverbs 6:16-19 - These six [things] doth the LORD hate: yea, seven [are] an abomination unto him:
Romans 5:8 - But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
2 Kings 17:18 - Therefore the LORD was very angry with Israel and removed them out of his sight. None was left but the tribe of Judah only.
God used natural disasters to let Israel know they were sinning and give them a chance to repent and seek “His Face” and turn away from sin.
2 Chronicles 7:14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
There is one punishment for nations that God does not forgive and that is child sacrifice. The consequence is invasion and conquest.
“Surely at the command (mouth) of the LORD it came upon Judah, to remove them from His sight because of the sins of Manasseh, according to all that he had done, and also for the innocent blood which he shed, for he filled Jerusalem with innocent blood; AND THE LORD WOULD NOT FORGIVE.” [All caps mine] 2 Kings 24: 3 &4.
The Israelites invaded the Promised Land and were to annihilate certain nations. Those nations were practicing child sacrifice. God warned His people that if they, too, followed the practices of the natives they would be invaded. They did and they were.
Native Americans practiced human sacrifice and even cannibalism. We know about the Mayas and Incas.
The nation of Judah was given one reprieve when King Manasseh repented while in prison in Babylon. He was released and when back in Jerusalem destroyed the altars. His descendent would take up the practice again and then the invasion and conquest was completed. For 70 yrs the Israelites were slaves in Babylon. The book of Lamentations was written. Good read.
Does partial birth abortion count as child sacrifice?
abortion is child sacrifice. The individual can repent and be forgiven but not the nation that legalizes it.
I could never figure out what would make God and His Son so full of wrath as described in the book of Revelation until I realized it was abortion. There are only 5 nations left where it is illegal.
If He allows, as He did with Judah, and He does make sure everyone knows about Him and their sin, there may be a worldwide revival. However, in Revelation 11 two witnesses are sent to warn everyone so I dont know if there will be a revival. The world celebrates when they are killed and their bodies left in the streets for 3.5 days and then they are resurrected and called to heaven.
Hurricane as a punishment in Torah codes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fcKRWokiyA
Matityahu Glazerson
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