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Atheist pastor sparks debate by 'irritating the church into the 21st century
The Guardian ^ | 04-24-2016 | Ashifa Kassam

Posted on 04/24/2016 8:03:58 AM PDT by NRx

There is not one mention of God during the 70-minute service at Toronto’s West Hill United church. Bibles are nowhere to be seen. The large, steel cross – one of the few remaining religious symbols in this church – is hidden behind a cascade of rainbow streamers.

But that is perhaps to be expected in a church led by an avowed atheist.

“I do not believe in a theistic, supernatural being called God,” says Gretta Vosper, the United Church of Canada minister who has led West Hill since 1997. “I don’t believe in what I think 99.99% of the world thinks you mean when you use that word.” Tor her, God is instead a metaphor for goodness and a life lived with compassion and justice.

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She is no pastor and this is no church. It is a left-wing social club that meets once a week in a former church building.
1 posted on 04/24/2016 8:03:58 AM PDT by NRx
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“I ... I ... I ...” It’s all about ME! Hey, look at ME! I am so important I don’t have to believe in God! Hey! Hey there!


2 posted on 04/24/2016 8:05:30 AM PDT by IronJack
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It’s not a church,it’s a social club.What kind of pathetic people would attend such a place?


3 posted on 04/24/2016 8:09:22 AM PDT by Farmer Dean (168 grains of instant conflict resolution)
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Like the Episcopalians.


4 posted on 04/24/2016 8:09:35 AM PDT by twister881 (Politics)
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She is no pastor and this is no church. It is a left-wing social club that meets once a week in a former church building.


And if and when they get their way, they will make sure they are the only kind of church in the land. Except for mosques, of course, which these so-called atheists will end up kowtowing to, just as all leftists kowtow to the slavery and murder cult that is islam.


5 posted on 04/24/2016 8:10:43 AM PDT by samtheman (Trump For America.)
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Doesn’t Canada have Consumer Protection laws? Isn’t fraud illegal?


6 posted on 04/24/2016 8:12:14 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("Do you mean now?" -- Yogi Berra, when asked for the time.)
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United Church of Canada

It makes perfect sense. An atheist minister when one recognizes the state as G-d, so government is the religion.

The official state religion bible would be written by bureaucrats.

Mark

7 posted on 04/24/2016 8:12:59 AM PDT by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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The end result of the devolution of Mainline Protestants.


8 posted on 04/24/2016 8:15:07 AM PDT by C19fan
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Sort of pathetic when a Thomas Jefferson is more religious than an actual so-called minister.


9 posted on 04/24/2016 8:16:07 AM PDT by C19fan
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There’s that “justice” word again.


10 posted on 04/24/2016 8:17:27 AM PDT by headstamp 2 (Fear is the mind killer.)
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***An atheist minister when one recognizes the state as G-d,***

Sounds like she has eaten of the sacrifice to god Caesar.


11 posted on 04/24/2016 8:22:41 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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“into the 21st century”

Yes, in the 21st century B.C. this is what pagans felt. Nature was the all powerful, not a divine being.


12 posted on 04/24/2016 8:28:46 AM PDT by fruser1
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Atheist Pastor? That’s like a Whore/Virgin.


13 posted on 04/24/2016 8:39:28 AM PDT by heights
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The writer seems to have a Muslim name?


14 posted on 04/24/2016 8:54:23 AM PDT by Lumper20 (Lyin Ted lies more then Hillary)
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The FOOL hath said in her heart, “There is no god.”
SHE is her god, striving to be god to her “congregation”.


15 posted on 04/24/2016 9:00:31 AM PDT by Twinkie (John 3:16)
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It’s not a church,it’s a social club.What kind of pathetic people would attend such a place?

I think three quarters of the parishionate at any suburban Catholic Church would love a service such as this...


16 posted on 04/24/2016 9:04:05 AM PDT by IrishBrigade
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“The official state religion bible would be written by bureaucrats.”

If bureaucrats ever did write a bible, it would never be finished, because no bureaucrat would want to lose that sweet gig. It would get 100 pages longer every year, like the tax code!


17 posted on 04/24/2016 9:09:04 AM PDT by Boogieman
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>>Many in the clergy privately share her view on God, she says, turning her into a sort of standard-bearer for a conversation that is already happening in the wider world.

In the liberal mainline denominations, I think you will find that this is true. It’s not a majority or even a large minority, but there are a significant number of leftist pastors filling pulpits today who don’t really believe in God anymore.

Pastoring is just a job to them with a paycheck, benefits, and a retirement plan.


18 posted on 04/24/2016 9:13:08 AM PDT by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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If there is no God, good and bad are subjective terms and therefore, everything is relative and there is no right or wrong.

My ideas of doing good and having a good time can be 180 degrees off what anothers is. Who are they to limit what I can and cannot do, then?


19 posted on 04/24/2016 10:20:33 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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More accurately, its like an honest politician.


20 posted on 04/24/2016 10:21:41 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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