Posted on 11/16/2015 6:15:12 AM PST by marshmallow
The Pope tells Lutheran woman to 'talk to the Lord' in discerning whether or not to participate in Communion
Pope Francis has suggested a Lutheran spouse of a Catholic should "talk to the Lord" in discerning whether or not to receive Holy Communion with her husband.
Francis made the remark during a Q&A at a visit to Rome's Evangelical Lutheran church on Sunday.
During the visit he presented the church's pastor with the same chalice he had given the Archbishops of Washington, New York and Philadelphia while in the United States.
The Pope was asked whether a Lutheran and Catholic married couple might "finally participate together in Communion". The questioner referred to "the hurt we’ve felt together due to [our] difference of faith".
Francis said it was "not my competence" to give permission to do this, and admitted: "I ask myself and don't know how to respond - what you're asking me, I ask myself the [same] question."
The Pope then stressed the role of personal discernment rather than repeating Church teaching that Protestant spouses can only receive Holy Communion if they do not "have recourse for the sacrament" at their own church.
He said: "There are questions that only if one is sincere with oneself and the little theological light one has, must be responded to on one's own."
(Excerpt) Read more at catholicherald.co.uk ...
The Lutheran spouse should refuse taking communion at a Catholic service because she knows Catholics and Lutherans are not in agreement about the substance of the elements. Oh - wait - she is probably from a Lutheran-lite group that doesn’t know what they believe about the sacrament.
Lutheran bashers in 3, 2, 1...
“The Lutheran spouse should refuse taking communion at a Catholic service because she knows Catholics and Lutherans are not in agreement about the substance of the elements.”
That is an issue, but the most obvious one is that the Lutherans - since they have no valid priesthood - don’t even have a valid sacrament in their “Holy Communion”. It’s just bread. There’s a reason why Lutherans really don’t claim any Eucharistic miracles. Nothing happens. It’s just bread. No priesthood means no Eucharist.
The Pope says: I can’t give you permission, but you can give yourself permission.
That’s the same mentally-defective answer given to gay couples by Blase Cupich, the toothless old woman Francis appointed Archbishop of Chicago.
And for others who may not realize it, the Catholic Herald leaves out the reqirement that the hypothetical protestant would have to be in imminent danger of death, along with 6 other reqirements before they could licitly receive the Eucharist. “Not having access to their own communion” is only one of the requirements.
Ah, a catlicker.
The Pope-a-dope had better start thinking about the towelheads massing in Rome, and how much they hate him.
nor to devote themselves to myths and endless genealogies, which promote speculations rather than the stewardship from God that is by faith.
There's a reason why Lutherans really don't claim any Eucharistic miracles.
Never heard of consubstantiation before? The true body and blood of Christ is in, under, and with the elements. There is bread, there is wine, there is true body, there is true blood. How is this possible? It is a mystery we embrace, but not with human understanding.
Don’t insult old women, Arthur.
There is only one answer a Pope (or any Catholic for that matter) should say: You can receive communion after you convert to the Catholic Faith.
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/04322a.htm
“This heretical doctrine is an attempt to hold the Real Presence of Christ in the Holy Eucharist without admitting Transubstantiation. According to it, the substance of Christ’s Body exists together with the substance of bread, and in like manner the substance of His Blood together with the substance of wine. Hence the word Consubstantiation.”
In contrast to the Catholic doctrine that the Bread and Wine fully become His Body and Blood (Transubstantiation).
“Never heard of consubstantiation before?”
Of course I have. Many Lutherans do not actually like the term.
“The true body and blood of Christ is in, under, and with the elements.”
Nope. It’s just bread. Again, that’s why there are no Eucharistic miracles among Lutherans. No valid priesthood means no Eucharist. They might as well give out Doritos or caramel popcorn.
“There is bread, there is wine, there is true body, there is true blood.”
Nope. There is only bread and wine for Lutherans. Nothing else is there. Also, no “mixing” of elements is possible.
“How is this possible?”
It isn’t. I know three former Lutheran pastors who are now Catholics (ELCA, LCMS, and CLC) and all three point to the lack of valid sacraments among Lutherans as one of the reasons why they became Catholics.
“It is a mystery we embrace, but not with human understanding.”
There is no mystery there at all. It’s just bread and wine, hence no Eucharistic miracles. Doritos and Grape Nehi. Whatever. No sacrament. No Eucharist. No miracle. No kidding.
The Doritos stay Doritos.
We see that "little theological light" shined about daily on FR:)
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