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Mark of the Beast: A Concerning Word on John MacArthur [Rev 14:9-11]
Youtube ^ | 6/14/2014 | Jacob Prasch

Posted on 04/06/2015 2:54:12 PM PDT by Jan_Sobieski

Bible Teacher and Expositor Jacob Prasch comments on John MacArthur's teaching that people can take the Mark of the Beast and still be saved.

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TOPICS: Apologetics; Current Events; General Discusssion; Moral Issues
KEYWORDS: antichrist; beast; johnmacarthur; macarthur; mark; revelation
We are living in very perilous times when internationally respected evangelical bible expositors are teaching that Christians can receive the "Mark of the Beast" and still be saved...

Revelation 14:9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, 10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: 11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

1 posted on 04/06/2015 2:54:12 PM PDT by Jan_Sobieski
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To: Jan_Sobieski

I didn’t know the mark is only if placed on hand or head. That will make it easier because I think it will ultimately be placed on the upper arm. It will be something then put under the skin most likely. Thank you for this because I often wondered how I was going to survive the World and get to Heaven. God sure is smart allowing us to get the mark and get to Heaven. Wow he knows what he is doing.


2 posted on 04/06/2015 3:09:04 PM PDT by napscoordinator (Walker for President 2016. The only candidate with actual real RESULTS!!!!! The rest...talkers!)
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To: napscoordinator

It’ll probably start with our money ‘cards’ that our society now cannot live without. Think of the day when our government takes over the banking like it did the healthcare system... Everybody MUST use their government issued card.

Well, cards will be broken, stolen, forged, etc...

They will turn to the microchip which is now used in tracking and identifying pets.

A chip in the hand and you can ‘scan’ your payment.

Only fallback with that is, one can lose the hand and still live and need to buy/sell.

Therefore, the obvious place is the forehead. Easy for scanning and you CAN’T lose your chip.


3 posted on 04/06/2015 3:15:32 PM PDT by joethedrummer
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To: joethedrummer

How about .... It all starts with a Digital Cell Phone.


4 posted on 04/06/2015 3:22:18 PM PDT by Usagi_yo (The declining morals of the West vs the increasingly brutal Jihadists. Coincidence?)
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To: Jan_Sobieski

So are you saying we can all become “Double Agents for God”?


5 posted on 04/06/2015 3:26:03 PM PDT by GraceG (Protect the Border from Illegal Aliens, Don't Protect Illegal Alien Boarders...)
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To: napscoordinator
I didn’t know the mark is only if placed on hand or head.

The chip has to be inserted in a place that can easily be read by a scanner. The skin on the hand and forehead is rather thin, and the bones behind it will keep the chip from slipping deep into the softer tissue.

No one will be able to buy or sell lest he have the mark of the beast - in other words, computers will monitor all sales transactions. No one will be able to buy more than "their fair share." This is a time when sharing the wealth will be strictly enforced by an anti-Christ, or Antichrist world leader.

6 posted on 04/06/2015 3:31:54 PM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: Jan_Sobieski

Macarthur is a heretic

been one for years


7 posted on 04/06/2015 3:35:59 PM PDT by RaceBannon (Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for)
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To: joethedrummer
Well, cards will be broken, stolen, forged, etc...

Identity thrives are setting the stage. I believe this is a coordinated attack. NSA can only gather so much. With a chip, or a monitor embedded right into the body, NSA has it all.
With a chip, no one will be able to steal your identity - EXCEPT the totalitarian government. OR, if they want to hunt you down, you won't be able to escape. You'll have a tracking device in your hand or head.

This is power. This is ultimate power.



8 posted on 04/06/2015 3:37:48 PM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: Jan_Sobieski
Read the actual account.

What was really said.
9 posted on 04/06/2015 3:49:35 PM PDT by Old Yeller (Civil rights are for civilized people.)
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To: Jan_Sobieski

This is simply an example that good pastors can make doctrinal errors. It should be a lesson to all of us.


10 posted on 04/06/2015 4:08:42 PM PDT by HarleyD ("... letters are weighty, but his .. presence is weak, and his speech of no account.")
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To: Old Yeller
Read the actual account. What was really said.

That write up sure beats around the bush.

11 posted on 04/06/2015 4:34:32 PM PDT by aimhigh (1 John 3:23)
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To: concerned about politics

I hate to break the news to you guys, but in another 5-10 years, the idea of putting chips under people’s skin to identify them will be ancient technology. In fact, we may already be there today. Study up on facial and iris recognition technology.


12 posted on 04/06/2015 4:58:40 PM PDT by Campion
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To: Jan_Sobieski

Whatever the mark may ultimately be or represent, it is very clearly a time for choosing who it is we will serve,

“And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.” Revelation 22:19


13 posted on 04/06/2015 6:52:13 PM PDT by captmar-vell
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To: Old Yeller

Read the actual account.

What was really said.


Thanks.


14 posted on 04/07/2015 3:10:29 AM PDT by ravenwolf (s letters scripture.)
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To: captmar-vell

It may serve us well to searcg His scripture..

Especially if there was ever a place in scripture where God said that the forehead and hand were locations where something would go..

Deuteronomy 6:8 is one place.., deuteronomy 11:18 another.. exodus 13:16 another...


15 posted on 04/07/2015 8:47:48 AM PDT by delchiante
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To: Jan_Sobieski
Revelation 13, 16 He causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads...

Quran
Surah Al-Fath (The Victory)

29. Muhammad () is the Messenger of Allah, and those who are with him are severe against disbelievers, and merciful among themselves. You see them bowing and falling down prostrate (in prayer), seeking Bounty from Allah and (His) Good Pleasure. The mark of them (i.e. of their Faith) is on their faces (foreheads) from the traces of (their) prostration (during prayers). This is their description in the Taurat (Torah). But their description in the Injeel (Gospel) is like a (sown) seed which sends forth its shoot, then makes it strong, it then becomes thick, and it stands straight on its stem, delighting the sowers that He may enrage the disbelievers with them. Allah has promised those among them who believe (i.e. all those who follow Islamic Monotheism, the religion of Prophet Muhammad till the Day of Resurrection) and do righteous good deeds, forgiveness and a mighty reward (i.e. Paradise).

You get marked in the forehead from bowing to Mecca. The mark (mint) in the right hand is their Jizya tax. With your right hand!

Here's the 'mint' of the beast...
http://www.islamicmint.com/dinar-dirham.html

Read all about it...

16 posted on 04/07/2015 1:42:59 PM PDT by Jeremiah Jr (EL CHaI)
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To: delchiante

Agreed it would, very true,

And there are other scriptures to be aware of as well. The number 666 is also referenced in repeating patterns in other books,

1) Solomon’s tribute, (Commerce)
2) Nebuchadnezzars statue (Image of worship)
3) the sons of Adonikam, (Understanding)

“Now the weight of gold that came to Solomon in one year was six hundred threescore and six talents of gold, “ 2 Chronicles 1:14

“Nebuchadnezzar the king made an image of gold, whose height was threescore cubits, and the breadth thereof six cubits: he set it up in the plain of Dura, in the province of Babylon.” Daniel 3:1

“The children of Adonikam, six hundred sixty and six.” Ezra 2:13

“And of the last sons of Adonikam, whose names are these, Eliphelet, Jeiel, and Shemaiah, and with them threescore males. “ Ezra 8:13

“Then sent I for Eliezer, for Ariel, for Shemaiah, and for Elnathan, and for Jarib, and for Elnathan, and for Nathan, and for Zechariah, and for Meshullam, chief men; also for Joiarib, and for Elnathan, men of understanding.” Ezra 8:16

These are repeating patterns until it is fulfilled once and for all at the time of the end and on a much larger scale before (and as a witness to) a much larger audience,

“And the LORD said unto him, Go through the midst of the city, through the midst of Jerusalem, and set a mark upon the foreheads of the men that sigh and that cry for all the abominations that be done in the midst thereof.” Ezekiel 9:4

Often many don’t realize that in the book of Revelation, it is God who first marks his people in their foreheads,

“And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea, Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.” Revelation 7:2-3

Satan is nothing more than a deceiver and counterfeiter.

If he can claim the same ‘Chi Xi Stigma’ symbols on the forehead and right hand with some Islamic script for his jihadi demonic ISIS locust horde, so be it, he’ll take that too,

But it will come that Satan’s authority in this Earth is being acknowledged and required for those appointed to him, to live abundantly, to buy and sell in his world, they will be required to acknowledge allegiance to him whether in their thoughts (actually believing the lie) or by the action of doing it (in the hand) and merely because some think they have no choice but to go along, but they do have a choice and that choice is to die and in doing so become a witness for God,

It appears to me this future ‘buying and selling’ with numbers always required some form of advanced and interconnected (internet communications) with computer data processing controls and likely a collapse or dramatic upheaval of our current economic system for it to be implemented so quickly, as we’re told that ‘he causes’ it to happen, there is clearly some form of economic alignment around a global medium of exchange using numbers,

I believe this is how demonic spirits, principalities and powers in this world operate, and it is a spiritual marker that so many seemingly unrelated events and things work together to acknowledge the Word of God and it cannot be otherwise because it is his will that it should become known to those on the Earth so that some that would not wake up before this day, will now wake up, and to spare those that would choose otherwise and to give them hope, strength and grace in the face of Satan’s wrath upon the Earth as his time is almost finished, and this spiritual understanding is to let them overcome Satan by the blood of Jesus, and by their testimony to defeat the beast because ‘they loved not their lives unto death’ and that prior to their making that choice, they may never have come to a saving knowledge of his grace or an understanding of the truth on their own.

The choice is stark and clear, take the mark and you are choosing Satan and rejecting Christ, there is no third option and it is very dangerous if Christian ministers are now somehow suggesting otherwise. I think too that it must in some manner be obvious for the punishment to be meted out so severe and immediate to those that do take it,

“And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.” Revelation 14:9-11

I’ll tell you something I found to be interesting, many years back I was watching a program on C-Span and it was about the first modern computer ENIAC built in 1947, I believe it was the 50th anniversary (so 1997)

Anyway, as the TV reporter walked around the display (at the Smithsonian I think it was?) with the camera following along behind, he was talking about the 18,000 vacuum tubes, the overall size being as large as a room and so on, at the same moment he was also talking to the historian off camera and gesturing at it saying finally “so this was the first Computer” and the historian spoke up and corrected him and said something along the lines of, (don’t recall it verbatim but it immediately jumped out to me and I sat up and took notice.)

What he said was, ‘no this actually wasn’t the computer, and in fact the Man operating it was called the Computer’ my jaw dropped. I did not know that.

In the Greek, ‘to calculate, to count’ the number of the beast, (to compute)

Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.” Revelation 13:15-18

The law of first mention in the Bible is that what we call something, whether we change the name later or not, this is what God will call it. So the word ‘Computer’ was originally meant for man, and whatever it may become later, it is “the number of a man.”


17 posted on 04/07/2015 10:39:11 PM PDT by captmar-vell
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To: captmar-vell

Good stuff...

Revelation 13 has three definite ‘commandments’ that are broken or people are caused to break..

The first three - worship God only vs worship beast
- no image worship vs worship the image
- do not use God’s name in vain. Vs. Blasphemes His name..

If we study God’s seal in detail, we see it is located in His 4th commandment.
And that command certainly details commerce as well as worship as His Sabbath was a day no commerce was to be done.
Not even animals were exempt from resting..

Now, it was a command that was personal and also corporate but it seems it is more corporate in the revelation version of Satan’s mark as a punishment for not following him..

The lawless one is not in the business of obeying His commands.. but like you said, counterfeit..

When I studied His biblical calendar, I was surprised to see that His Sabbath is not always Saturday or Sunday and it can fall on a day like today..
If anyone introduce a sabbath law or blue law now, I know that this is a way that the enemy could force people not to buy or sell..
And he would have supporters in any of the world religions (Islam, Judaism, Christianity) if one of those was settled on.. but after this study, I can see how every religion having their own sabbath day does the job of hiding the Father’s real Sabbath..

We live in deceitful times!
Even to where the elect may be deceived..

I never knew how deceived I was!


18 posted on 04/08/2015 10:59:42 AM PDT by delchiante
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