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Another Illustration That Tolerance Does Not Extend to Faithful Catholics
Archdiocese of Washington ^ | 02-10-15 | Msgr. Charles Pope

Posted on 03/11/2015 8:48:03 AM PDT by Salvation

Another Illustration That Tolerance Does Not Extend to Faithful Catholics

By: Msgr. Charles Pope

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In another show of selective tolerance from the cultural radicals, there comes the following story, as related in Crisis Magazine. Here are some excerpts from the article:

In their zeal to protect students from any comments or opinions that may hurt their feelings, many professors [in this case at Marquette University] have created “safe spaces” in their classrooms—controlling all conversations in an effort to ensure that no one is ever offended …[Professor Cheryl Abbate]  made it clear that the classroom was not a [place for students doubting] the value of same-sex “marriage.” Such conversations had to be held in secret so as not to offend others … One student in the class decided to pursue this issue with Abbate after class … The student said: “I have to be completely honest with you, I don’t agree with gay marriage …”  Professor Abbate replied: “Ok, there are some opinions that are not appropriate, that are harmful.” 

When the student replied: “If I choose to challenge this, it’s my right as an American citizen,” Abbate responded: “Well, actually you don’t have a right in this class … to make homophobic comments, racist comments, sexist comments … I can tell you right now, in this class homophobic comments, racist comments and sexist comments will not be tolerated. If you don’t like that you are more than free to drop this class.”

In the “safe space” Abbate has created, homosexual students have the right not to be offended … But, where does that leave faithful Catholic students? Is there a safe space for them? … For Abbate, it is uncontroversial to have a safe-space policy that is only safe for those who agree with her about the value of same-sex “marriage.”

In December, Marquette relieved Professor John McAdams of his teaching and other faculty duties for blogging about the Abbate incident. According to McAdams, the student involved in the confrontation with Abbate talked with him about the incident, and McAdams took to his blog, Marquette Warrior,  [N.B. Professor Abbate] had also written of the incident on her blog but was not disciplined for bringing the matter to light … [The full article is here: Crisis Magazine online: Catholicism is Considered Unsafe at Marquette]

Welcome to “tolerance” as defined by secular radicals. In their lexicon, “tolerance” is “your right, actually, your obligation to agree with me.” “Live and let live” means, “you have the right to live only where I say and under the terms I set.” “Bigotry” applies only those speaking out against the classes they say are oppressed. “Phobes” (as in homophobes) are those who oppose their  agenda. “Hate” only exists against the classes they say are “protected” and that they have defined as “oppressed.” Apparently, it is not possible for religious or social conservatives to be the object of hate, since hate only comes from social conservatives. Or so it would seem from their behavior and policies. And very few will question them on this  due to the support of secular media and to the pressure to be politically correct.

Pope Benedict spoke frequently of the “tyranny of relativism.” Essentially, this means that when a culture decides there is no fundamental basis of truth (whether from Scripture or Natural Law), the result is that there is no real basis for discussion or resolution of issues. Thus, who “wins the day” is based not on reason but on who shouts the loudest and/or who has the most power, money, or political influence.

In a relativistic  world, the way forward is not to appeal to reason by reference to Natural Law (in philosophy), or to constitutional principles (in political discourse), or to Scripture and Tradition (in theology). Rather, the way forward is to gain power and to implement an agenda that excludes all opposing views.

Farewell to reason rooted in agreed-upon principles; hello to tyranny rooted simply in opinion and power.

Revolutions that ride in on the train of “freedom” more frequently usher in a reign of terror, as those who claim to be oppressed, suppressed, and repressed take up their new power and then themselves turn to oppression, suppression, and repression of any whom they consider to be on the “wrong” side of the issues.

Expect more of this “tolerance” from social radicals. The tyranny of relativism has ushered in a very poisonous and dangerous climate, one that has little room for any true discussion or tolerance. And remember, what social radicals mean by tolerance has nothing to do with tolerating you … unless of course you belong to a class or group they favor.

It will require greater and greater courage from those of us who still think of truth as something higher than ourselves. And if you think that is an exaggeration, just try to point to Natural Law, the Constitution, or (gadzooks) Scripture, and brace yourself for the immediate scorn that will be heaped upon you. And never mind that Marquette is (theoretically) a Catholic college, where one might expect Catholic teaching to at least be explained and allowed a place at the table. The radicals have no fear of this and, sadly, have made such inroads that they operate without hindrance even at many (though not all) Catholic colleges.

The proud reference to what some call tolerance is nothing of the sort. Be sure, dear reader, that if you are a Catholic who accepts the teaching of the Catechism on homosexual acts, marriage, and many other critical moral issues, their notion of tolerance does not include you.

A heavy post needs a little levity to balance things out. Enjoy this video of Christian humorist Tim Hawkins that brings to mind another display of selective tolerance from a couple of years ago.



TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Current Events; History; Moral Issues; Religion & Culture; Religion & Politics; Theology
KEYWORDS: catholic; crisismagazine; marquette; msgrcharlespope; relativism; tolerance; tyranny
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1 posted on 03/11/2015 8:48:03 AM PDT by Salvation
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To: nickcarraway; NYer; ELS; Pyro7480; livius; ArrogantBustard; Catholicguy; RobbyS; marshmallow; ...

Monsignor Pope Ping!


2 posted on 03/11/2015 8:48:56 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

I think I would say something like, “If I don’t have any First Amendment Rights in this Class, and you are breaking the law I will gladly drop the class, and (motioning to other students) take these other students with me, for I am a Catholic and a citizen of the United States of America.”


3 posted on 03/11/2015 8:59:34 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation
I honestly don't understand why anyone is shocked by this. It's not new. Back in the 80's when I was in college, you figured out if the prof was a lefty and wrote whatever crapola you had to in order to get an A.

I think social media is just making people more aware of it and the left has fully on all levels taken over ALL of academia except for maybe a handful of schools.

4 posted on 03/11/2015 9:12:35 AM PDT by defconw (If not now, WHEN?)
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To: Salvation
Here is another thought on this. My husband is 14 years older than I, all his male teachers were WWII veterans. Most of my male teachers both HS and college were Vietnam War draft dodgers in one way or another. In HS the women were some what more conservative, in college most were flaming feminists.

I remember one HS French teacher who never shaved her legs or her pits, but wore sleeveless dresses. I graduate in 1982 from HS, BTW.

5 posted on 03/11/2015 9:24:57 AM PDT by defconw (If not now, WHEN?)
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To: Salvation
Enjoy this video of Christian humorist Tim Hawkins that brings to mind another display of selective tolerance from a couple of years ago.

FYI, Hawkins is not a Catholic.

6 posted on 03/11/2015 9:27:13 AM PDT by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: Salvation

“Thus, who “wins the day” is based not on reason but on who shouts the loudest and/or who has the most power, money, or political influence.”

occupy, Treyvon, Michael Brown, or any media driven lie in the news. The lie never dies.


7 posted on 03/11/2015 9:37:25 AM PDT by the_daug
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To: Salvation

We discussed tolerance in RCIA last night....I refuse to be tolerant.


8 posted on 03/11/2015 9:37:51 AM PDT by tioga
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To: Salvation

What’s amazing to me is that Marquette University is supposed to be a “Catholic” university.


9 posted on 03/11/2015 9:40:56 AM PDT by kosciusko51
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To: kosciusko51; Salvation
What’s amazing to me is that Marquette University is supposed to be a “Catholic” university.

Just like the National "Catholic" Register, is supposed to be as well.

10 posted on 03/11/2015 10:08:07 AM PDT by verga (I might as well be playing chess with pigeons,.)
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To: kosciusko51
We are a society that believes thought, wish, desire,trumps physical reality. In this dream world men can marry men, a snail darter has more right to life than a preborn human. In this dimention Illegals have a right to appropriate your SSAN, and if a boy wishes to be a girl,voila he/she is. Caution you have entered the twilight zone!
11 posted on 03/11/2015 10:09:05 AM PDT by cotton (one way, one truth, the life.)
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To: Salvation
When discussing serious issues with a liberal, I always ask the same opening question (which I heard here at FR). “Am I allowed to have an opinion that differs from yours?”

It's amazing how many times this opening question opens their eyes to their own hypocrisy.

12 posted on 03/11/2015 10:27:10 AM PDT by Sergio (An object at rest cannot be stopped! - The Evil Midnight Bomber What Bombs at Midnight)
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To: Sergio

Good idea?


13 posted on 03/11/2015 10:51:03 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: verga
Or do you mean the Catholic Reporter is supposed to be a Catholic newspaper?


14 posted on 03/11/2015 10:53:22 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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Ping!


15 posted on 03/11/2015 10:53:25 AM PDT by NYer (Without justice - what else is the State but a great band of robbers? - St. Augustine)
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To: Salvation; NYer

In December, Marquette relieved Professor John McAdams of his teaching and other faculty duties for blogging about the Abbate incident. Where a woman teaching assistant would not allow a student to discuss the Catholic position on same sex marriage.

Marquette University is in the process of firing tenured Professor John McAdams, a conservative because he reported on this incident in a non Marquette blog. So conservatives no longer have freedom to report what is going on at Catholic Universities.

Mark Belling discussed this locally and on the Rush Limbaugh show.

I had a friend that was willing to donate $30,000 to fund an ethics coarse at Marquette years ago under a different President and the Jesuit President refused the money.

It is time to stop donating to Catholic Universities that are not Catholic or are Catholic in name only.


16 posted on 03/11/2015 11:43:38 AM PDT by ADSUM
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To: Salvation
I am a Marquette grad and was on campus this past weekend. Though it was spring break, I still found many students to talk to.

In short, the students I talked to are pretty angry about this and other attempts to stifle thought and discussion from a Catholic perspective.

Meanwhile they are being forced to accept Muslim and anti-Christian viewpoints.

17 posted on 03/11/2015 12:54:51 PM PDT by Last Dakotan
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To: Salvation
Well, I wouldn't go as far as saying it's a “good idea”, so much as defining the limits of the discussion.

On the one hand, if they say that I am not allowed to have an opinion that differs from theirs, then there is no need to go further in the conversation.

“You don't want to discuss, you want to berate. Why should I hang around for that?”

On the other hand, if they say that I am allowed to have an opinion that differs from theirs, they seem to loose steam as when they get strident, I always remind them: “I thought I could have an opinion that differs from yours.”

18 posted on 03/11/2015 1:19:52 PM PDT by Sergio (An object at rest cannot be stopped! - The Evil Midnight Bomber What Bombs at Midnight)
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To: Salvation

It’s not a 1st amendment issue. Marquette is not an arm of the state.

However, it is a CATHOLIC issue.

The conversation is... ‘Can I defend the teaching of the Catholic Church at this Catholic University without fear of reprisal from my professor?’

If not, why does my professor continue to have a teaching position on campus?


19 posted on 03/11/2015 2:08:37 PM PDT by rwilson99 (Please tell me how the words "shall not perish and have everlasting life" would NOT apply to Mary.)
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