Posted on 12/10/2014 6:32:20 AM PST by marshmallow
"Christian unity" is one of those terms that stir up a whole spectrum of—sometimes emotional—opinions.
On the one hand, we know that Jesus prayed to the Father concerning future believers "that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you" (John 17:21a, NIV).
On the other hand, charismatics know it is almost pointless to discuss the gifts of the Holy Spirit (1 Cor. 12, 14) with Baptists or most anyone else from a mainline denomination. And Protestants of just about any stripe get riled up when they hear Catholics talking about papal infallibility or their adoration of the Virgin Mary.
It's on this latter point that Rick Warren, senior pastor of Saddleback Church in Lake Forest, California, and successful author, has waded into a hornet's nest of controversy by telling a Catholic News Service interviewer that Protestants and Catholics "have far more in common than what divides us" and that Catholics do not "worship Mary like she's another god."
Regarding Warren's view that Catholics do not worship Mary, Matt Slick, writing on the website of the Christian Apologetics & Research Ministry, goes into great detail with material from Roman Catholic sources that say Mary is "the all holy one," is to be prayed to, worshipped, that she "brings us the gifts of eternal life" and she "made atonement for the sins of man."
If that's not putting her in the place of Christ as a god-like figure to be worshipped, then what is it?
"We believe in Trinity, the Bible, the resurrection, and that salvation is through Jesus Christ. These are the big issues," Warren says. "But the most important thing is if you love Jesus, we're on the same team."
To Warren's point about being on the same team, Slick.....
(Excerpt) Read more at charismanews.com ...
WOW, nice prayer, asking Mary to help us through the intervention of her Son...(note the term HELP ME)
if you don't want to use this prayer...don't, that leaves more of her precious helping seconds to take care of my needs...THANKS !!!!!
the Catholic crucifix has Jesus on the cross, the protestants nail a couple of boards together in remembrance of whatever...
Thought catholics didn’t pray to Mary??
Y’all do have Jesus on the cross still. We believe He is off the cross and in Heaven. The empty cross is the reminder of this.
PRAISE THE LORD!!!!!!!!!!HE SEES THE LIGHT!!!!
does the Catholic church accept that "translation"??/If not then it is meaningless.
that is a great interpretation of protestant thinking....In fact, you have been told the truth for 1,600 years and you decided that you knew better how to interpret the Bible that the CATHOLIC CHURCH compiled,, preserved, copied (by hand) so that you'd even know what was in it.....and then you accuse a Catholic of ignoring it?????.....Please!
“Many in the old testament hoped in Christ”
I love how Hebrews says of Moses, “He considered the reproach of Christ greater wealth than the treasures of Egypt, for he was looking to the reward.”
does the Catholic church accept that "translation"??/If not then it is meaningless.
This is a dangerous trend I'm seeing in catholicism. Words mean only what you want them to mean....regardless of what they really mean.
It is the sure sign of a cult.
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I know this. The lies about the immaculate conception are just that. Lies. They contradict Romans 3:23; your own organization admits it cannot be supported in the very scripture you claim catholics wrote. I'm not going to provide the work again on this. Search this thread and you will find it.
For a group that claims to have done this or that regarding the Bible, ya'll sure do you very best to ignore what's in it, twist it's meaning and redefine it's words to fit your needs.
and if we could only come up with one of Jesus' bones it would blow that whole ascension of Jesus to smithereens....but no one ever found either did they??
So using catholic logic...if we can't find the body of someone they've been assumed to Heaven?????
completely forgetting we have eyewitness accounts of seeing Jesus after He arose....eyewitness accounts of Him ascending to Heaven.
The mind reels.
now that is among the most inane posts I've ever read... if there is no direct command in the Bible that we should honor the Mother of God......then we don't have to. Good grief!!
BINGO!!!!!!!!!
Thank you both.
I wish someone had grabbed me by the collar in my youth and shook some sense into me. It pains me to see folks waste so much time on dead religion, when they could be enjoying all that God has done for them by simply believing His Word.
1 Peter 2:2-3 (AMP)
2 Like newborn babies you should crave (thirst for, earnestly desire) the pure (unadulterated) spiritual milk, that by it you may be nurtured and grow unto [completed] salvation,
3 Since you have [already] tasted the goodness and kindness of the Lord.
Matthew 4:4 (AMP)
4 But He replied, It has been written, Man shall not live and be upheld and sustained by bread alone, but by every word that comes forth from the mouth of God.
and here I thought that Barbara Bush was the mother of the president.....and you say no, just the mother of George Bush Jr....O.K. I guess
“I wish for once, catholics would put all the cards on the table and quit with the manipulation of words.”
I wish for once, Protestant anti-Catholics would stop making false claims and stop their manipulation period.
“I seem to recall another individual who liked to pick and chose what he said. It hasn’t worked out too well for him either.”
You just described many Protestant anti-Catholics here.
“Show me the term *mother of GOD* anywhere in Scripture.”
Show me where scripture says it has to be there to be true.
“The Holy Spirit is clear in Scripture in calling Mary *the mother of Jesus*.”
The Holy Spirit is clear in Scripture in calling Mary *the mother of my Lord*.
Remember, “Elisabeth confessed faith already in the person of Jesus, for she noted that Mary bore the God-man (mother of my Lord).” Footnote in The Reformation Heritage KJV Study Bible.
The Catholic church, much like the United States cannot be offended. You can pour insults and derogatory comments on then and they fall off like water off the proverbial duck's back.....you can insult neither, you can minimize neither, you can claim to be better than either (but you aren't). In short, both are the examples of perfection, one directly ordained by God, the other ordained by God through our founders.
In either case, you cannot improve on perfection.
defining your own concept of the truth seldom works and that is what the majority of fallen away Catholics think that they can do....they can't.The church basically wrote (you know what I mean) the scriptures, they edited them, copied them and gave them to you to love and follow....they did not give them to you to reinterpret, redefine, judge, or otherwise use your own opinions to determine what they meant....it has NEVER worked in the past and it NEVER will in the future....I would re-evaluate my own denial of Catholic truth and try to figure out how the church could have possibly been wrong for 1,600 years and you could have come up with the entire truth in 30 or 40 years.....impossible.
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