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Jeb Bush to meet with Southern Baptist leader
The Washington Post's Post Politics ^ | April 8, 2014 | Robert Costa

Posted on 04/08/2014 10:04:46 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

Former Florida governor Jeb Bush is reaching out to evangelical leaders as he considers a 2016 presidential run, and in early May, he will meet privately with Russell Moore, one of the country’s most prominent Southern Baptists.

Moore, a frequent presence on television and at theological conferences, heads the Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission, the public policy arm of the Southern Baptist Convention, which has more than 16 million members.

Moore and an aide to Bush have confirmed the session, which will take place at Bush’s office in Miami. Bush, who has played down the idea that he is exploring a campaign, asked Moore to meet with him earlier this year.

“We’ll talk about the concerns of evangelicals,” Moore said in a phone interview. “He is a good man, and I am not surprised there is a lot of conversation about him.”(continued)

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TOPICS: Current Events; Evangelical Christian; Religion & Culture; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: 2016; baptists; bush; evangelicals; florida; gop; jebbush; rememberterri
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1 posted on 04/08/2014 10:04:46 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

As Deace would say with supreme finality: NEVER


2 posted on 04/08/2014 10:08:14 PM PDT by Theophilus (.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Baptists don’t really have leaders


3 posted on 04/08/2014 10:09:25 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: GeronL

No more Bushes, NEVER!
There are dozens of Baptist cults like Anabaptists. No one knows what the heck they preach or stand for. No different than Lutherans and Episcopalians.


4 posted on 04/08/2014 10:22:20 PM PDT by Steelfish (ui)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Stay-Puft is on the move.


5 posted on 04/08/2014 10:23:12 PM PDT by Dagnabitt (Amnesty is Treason. Its agents are Traitors.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I can’t imagine that the Bushes are so out of touch that they really think another one can win. I think id actually vote for Hillary just to teach the GOPe a lesson.
I feel like a convict who’s already done several years,, I can do a few more standing on my head,,,,copper.


6 posted on 04/08/2014 10:24:31 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I do not care if the SBC comes flat out and endorses Jeb Bush. As a Southern Baptist, I will NOT vote for that man.


7 posted on 04/08/2014 10:30:49 PM PDT by hoagy62 ("Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered..."-Thomas Paine. 1776)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I will not vote for a Bush as an act of love for my country.


8 posted on 04/08/2014 10:33:28 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

He may be a prominent Baptist, but a leader? The overwhelming concept of most Baptist congregations is their independence and lack of a supreme leader other than Jesus.


9 posted on 04/08/2014 10:34:23 PM PDT by doc1019
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To: Moonman62

Rush has had a few recent callers assert they will not vote for another rino regardless of who the Democrat opponent is. In previous years he would challenge the caller’s decision, he isn’t challenging the callers now.


10 posted on 04/08/2014 10:42:50 PM PDT by Yogafist
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To: doc1019; GeronL

Ich haben keinen König außer Gott.


11 posted on 04/08/2014 10:46:05 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2M for Cruz and/or Palin's next run, what will you do?)
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To: hoagy62

Make that 2 of us. Forget him.


12 posted on 04/08/2014 10:50:09 PM PDT by MamaB
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To: doc1019

He may be a prominent Baptist, but a leader? The overwhelming concept of most Baptist congregations is their independence and lack of a supreme leader other than Jesus.


The SBC has been changing. Guys like Moore (another one is Albert Mohler, president of Southern Seminary) have a lot of influence. Indirect, but influence none theless.

Moore is very pro life, but he’s also for immigration, and he’s said some things that might be interpreted as being environmentalist.


13 posted on 04/08/2014 10:51:35 PM PDT by balch3
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

so wahr


14 posted on 04/08/2014 10:52:07 PM PDT by doc1019
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

We need a new amendment.


15 posted on 04/08/2014 10:56:12 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; GiovannaNicoletta; F15Eagle; .45 Long Colt; Buddygirl; Former Fetus; Bockscar; ...

BAPTIST PING


16 posted on 04/08/2014 10:58:43 PM PDT by WKB
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To: balch3

You are talking about SBC, most Baptist do not belong to the SBC. The majority of Baptist are independent and stand alone in their convictions.


17 posted on 04/08/2014 11:00:19 PM PDT by doc1019
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To: Steelfish

Isn’t Huckabee a Baptist as well?

C’mon Jeb, clear the cobwebs and get a clue!
Who are the freaks pushing this crap??

Nevermind, I really do know, just can’t imagine how they believe this is going to fly.


18 posted on 04/08/2014 11:08:14 PM PDT by AllAmericanGirl44
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“What’s the frequency, Sir. I can’t make that out.”


19 posted on 04/08/2014 11:08:22 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

He is going to run. He is high on himself right now.


20 posted on 04/08/2014 11:15:22 PM PDT by Psalm 144 (FIGHT! FIGHT! SEVERE CONSERVATIVE AND THE WILD RIGHT!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Jeb Bush murdered Terri Schiavo. I don’t trust him with MY life, if my life is ever inconvenient to him.


21 posted on 04/08/2014 11:33:06 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: Steelfish

It says Southern Baptists, which is easily our most pro-life, conservative voting denomination, in fact the most conservative voting block of any type, and the biggest Christian denomination that is in the pro-life/republican column.


22 posted on 04/08/2014 11:35:28 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Damn it, Jeb is running. What part of the base does the GOPe believe will show up to vote for this retread?


25 posted on 04/08/2014 11:45:54 PM PDT by DaxtonBrown (http://www.futurnamics.com/reid.php)
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To: DaxtonBrown

They’ll have Mike Huckabee, Rick Santorum and some other “conservatives” running to split the vote. See 2008 and 2012.


26 posted on 04/08/2014 11:54:27 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2M for Cruz and/or Palin's next run, what will you do?)
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To: DaxtonBrown

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=YlmEp3s6lwg


27 posted on 04/08/2014 11:54:59 PM PDT by bigmak007 (They who can't control their own passions, want to passionately control others.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

one big happy family

28 posted on 04/09/2014 12:32:16 AM PDT by kingattax (America needs more real Americans.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Stay out da Bushies, Mozilla, and Shamnesty.


29 posted on 04/09/2014 12:38:02 AM PDT by VRWC For Truth (Roberts has perverted the Constitution)
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To: balch3

He is a “leader” within the SBC, and Moore is unfit to be in any position of leadership. He is weak and tries to be Mohler’s Minime. “Moderate” elements have taken over the SBC, it is tacking left on sodomites, feminism, environmentalism, “diversity”, amnesty, and just about every other social issue. This is why Land was replaced by Moore (although Land was not a lot better). Oh, yea, but those frauds are “inerrantists”.

No one should give a dime to the SBC. Oh, yes, and the cooperative program is ineffective.


30 posted on 04/09/2014 2:55:03 AM PDT by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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To: ansel12

Your a day late and a dollar short. The SBC leadership is now pushing “diversity”, amnesty, a more friendly position toward sodomites and feminists, environmentalist nonsense, etc.

The SBC needs to be completely defunded.


31 posted on 04/09/2014 2:58:30 AM PDT by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

A third party for Federal ans state elections is the only hope, with a platform containing a set of Constitutional amendments like Levin’s.

IF it is successful, it will take 20 years (or a collapse), but it’s better than Republicrat RINOs for the rest of our lives.


32 posted on 04/09/2014 3:28:50 AM PDT by ReaganGeneration2
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To: doc1019

“You are talking about SBC, most Baptist do not belong to the SBC. The majority of Baptist are independent and stand alone in their convictions.”

Exactly. One of the main “properties” of true Baptists is independence and free will. The SBC is way more liberal than any of the independent churches I’ve belonged to or attended.


33 posted on 04/09/2014 4:12:18 AM PDT by MayflowerMadam
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To: MayflowerMadam

“One of the main “properties” of true Baptists is independence and free will.”

Indeed independence is an historic BaptIst trait, but not free will. Now there was a strain of free will among Baptists, but they were the minority. Historically speaking, Baptists overwhelmingly believed in the Doctrines of Grace until the early 20th century. Some Baptists continued to hold to sovereign grace throughout the 20th century, but they were scattered and they were a tiny minority. But over the past 25 years, God has been working and many Baptists have redisovered the doctrines of their forefathers.

Short of salvation, coming to understand and accept sovereign grace was the best thing God has ever done for me. My pastor for 30 years was Adrian Rogers and I graduated from an SBC university, so I was a typical conservative Southern Baptist. I’m thankful for my heritage. I had a front row seat to the “Battle for the Bible” so I learned early to stand on the Scriptures. It was that bedrock belief in the inerrancy and authority of the Bible that led me to where I am now. Today I’m much closer to historic Baptists like the founders of the SBC and Charles Spurgeon than Adrian Rogers or Charles Stanley. Most in my local congregation, including my pastor, have the same testimony. Most all of us were free will Baptists who found grace.


34 posted on 04/09/2014 5:44:29 AM PDT by .45 Long Colt
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To: hoagy62

He was an accomplish to the murder of Teri Schiavo. As governor of Florida this latest RINO Bush could have prevented her death. Instead of siding with her parents that wanted her to live he sided with the sorry shacking-up-with someone-else husband, who wanted her dead so he could get married again. If this latest Bush ever decides to run for president I hope his role in the murder of Teri Schiavo comes back to bite him square in ass.


35 posted on 04/09/2014 7:33:26 AM PDT by NKP_Vet ("It is foolish and wrong to mourn the men who died;we should thank God that such men lived" ~ Patton)
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To: NKP_Vet
He was an (accomplice) to the murder of Teri Schiavo.

This reminder needs to be posted every time Jeb Bush's name appears on this board.

36 posted on 04/09/2014 7:37:25 AM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory and He will NOT be mocked! Blessed be the name of the Lord forever!)
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To: hoagy62

Yup. Only pro-liberty and anti-police state candidates for me.


37 posted on 04/09/2014 7:53:50 AM PDT by Augustinian monk (RAND PAUL FOR PRESIDENT)
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To: achilles2000

Unless Southern Baptists have quit voting about 80% pro-life republican, then my post was completely accurate.


38 posted on 04/09/2014 9:35:30 AM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: Augustinian monk
Only pro-liberty and anti-police state candidates for me.

Judging by your tag line, you mean left leaning pro-gay marriage, rino social liberals.

39 posted on 04/09/2014 9:37:42 AM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: MayflowerMadam

In case you are interested, here is a good overview of the development of Baptists in America.

TULIPS in the Baptist Garden
http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=5220283348

If you are interested in a primer on TULIP from a Baptist perspective, I can make a number of recommendations. It was in the 90’s when I began to encounter “Calvinism” on a regular basis and I was really concerned about it, so much so that I fought against it. Frankly, it made me mad. In my zeal to defend free will I began to study harder, mostly so I could win a friendly debate with a Christian friend. I gathered a lot of resources and realized my friend had made a few good points. I had some creeping doubts, but for a time I believed I just hadn’t studied enough yet. Although there were numerous stepping stones along the way, one seminal day I was listening to a sermon as I drove down the road and the minister read from the sixth chapter of John. When he read verse 44 it hit me like a ton of bricks. He was reading from the KJV. The words “no man can” stopped me cold. I pulled over and rewound and listened again. I repeated that several more times. Soon I was praying for God to teach me the truth, promising I would simply believe His Word even if it contradicted everything I had believed all of my life. He taught me, it indeed contradicted everything I had been taught and believed, but it isn’t an overstatement to say coming to understand and accept God’s sovereignty changed my life.


40 posted on 04/09/2014 9:39:53 AM PDT by .45 Long Colt
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To: ansel12

Sure. That’s why he is called a racist, tea-party bigot on every lib website. Because he is so liberal /s


41 posted on 04/09/2014 11:38:21 AM PDT by Augustinian monk (RAND PAUL FOR PRESIDENT)
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To: Augustinian monk

Actually conservatives call him pro-amnesty, pro-gay marriage, weak on national defense and foreign policy, and anti-conservative since he called for the GOP to move left and drop social conservatism.

They aren’t too thrilled by his GOPe politics and support, and support for McConnell either.


42 posted on 04/09/2014 12:03:05 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: ansel12

Wow. He has a 100% grade from National Right to Life. Hard to improve on that I think. I am sure you have no evidence of him being pro-gay. His focus is on an out of control tyrannical government that targets conservative Christians. In fact, his “being weak on foreign policy” is due to the fact that some of us Christians don’t want the military used to replace secular regimes with Islamic fanatics that persecute Christians. The fact is this culture is poisonous. Government can’t replace the Gospel. I only want a severly limited Government. Go ahead though, and nominate some corny schmuck like Huckabee.


43 posted on 04/09/2014 12:40:36 PM PDT by Augustinian monk (RAND PAUL FOR PRESIDENT)
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To: Augustinian monk

LOL, I tell you
“”conservatives call him pro-amnesty, pro-gay marriage, weak on national defense and foreign policy, and anti-conservative since he called for the GOP to move left and drop social conservatism.
They aren’t too thrilled by his GOPe politics and support, and support for McConnell either.””

and you respond by mentioning that he is still pro-life. You clearly know more about Paul being a liberal rino, than you are willing to admit.


44 posted on 04/09/2014 12:48:30 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: ansel12

“rino social liberals”. I simply responded to this ridiculous charge in your first post to me.


45 posted on 04/09/2014 12:59:47 PM PDT by Augustinian monk (RAND PAUL FOR PRESIDENT)
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To: Augustinian monk

Your responses are missing the point, I pointed out that the man you are promoting for the 2016 presidential race is a “”left leaning pro-gay marriage, rino social liberal.””


46 posted on 04/09/2014 1:14:02 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: ansel12

Except you don’t back up your comments with anything. I at least tried to address all your imaginary concerns. What issue has he “moved left” on?


47 posted on 04/09/2014 1:22:28 PM PDT by Augustinian monk (RAND PAUL FOR PRESIDENT)
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To: Augustinian monk

People feared that Paul was faking being conservative and that he was really a libertarian/rino, their fears have been realized.

Paul has started campaigning on the libertarian platform of social liberalism and weak national defense for the GOP.

Here is what he thinks about our fight against gay marriage and the social conservative GOP platform.

RAND PAUL: REPUBLICANS NEED TO SOFTEN ON SOCIAL ISSUES
“I think that the Republican Party, in order to get bigger, will have to agree to disagree on social issues,” Paul advised. “The Republican Party is not going to give up on having quite a few people who do believe in traditional marriage. But the Republican Party also has to find a place for young people and others who don’t want to be festooned by those issues.”


48 posted on 04/09/2014 1:48:17 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: ansel12
People feared that Paul was faking being conservative and that he was really a libertarian/rino, their fears have been realized.

"Libertarian/rino"?

49 posted on 04/09/2014 1:57:13 PM PDT by x
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To: ansel12

“I think that the Republican Party, in order to get bigger, will have to agree to disagree on social issues,” Paul advised. “The Republican Party is not going to give up on having quite a few people who do believe in traditional marriage. But the Republican Party also has to find a place for young people and others who don’t want to be festooned by those issues.”

First, I challenge you to explain how the word “festoon” is used in this context. I had to google it and still don’t understand. Secondly, I don’t uses issues like like NSA/privacy, etc to strike a chord with younger voters is bad idea. He is not proposing changing the platform. After eight years of Bush and his “no child left behind”, “Islam is a religion of peace”, DHS gestapo, etc, it seems a little bit unfair of labeling Paul some kind of leftist. His record has been staunchly conservative. Dubya was pro-choice when he ran for congress.


50 posted on 04/09/2014 2:02:00 PM PDT by Augustinian monk (RAND PAUL FOR PRESIDENT)
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