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Making Sense of Scripture's 'Inconsistency'
The Gospel Coalition ^ | 7 January 2014 | Tim Keller

Posted on 01/07/2014 1:55:56 PM PST by Gamecock

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1 posted on 01/07/2014 1:55:56 PM PST by Gamecock
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2 posted on 01/07/2014 1:57:23 PM PST by Gamecock (Celebrating 20,000 posts of dubious quality.)
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To: Gamecock

There is no biblical inconsistencies.

Not that this former Atheist could find.

“Inconsistencies” happen when tradition and doctrines contradict scripture.

The bible in itself, when interpreting itself does not contradict.


3 posted on 01/07/2014 1:58:55 PM PST by INVAR ("Fart for liberty, fart for freedom and fart proudly!" - Benjamin Franklin)
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Once you grant the main premise of the Bible---about the surpassing significance of Christ and his salvation---then all the various parts of the Bible make sense. Because of Christ, the ceremonial law is repealed.

And it also helps you from wandering into certain cults that are out there.... (As well as in FR as well.)

4 posted on 01/07/2014 2:02:43 PM PST by Gamecock (Celebrating 20,000 posts of dubious quality.)
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To: Gamecock
Once you grant the main premise of the Bible---about the surpassing significance of Christ and his salvation---then all the various parts of the Bible make sense. Because of Christ, the ceremonial law is repealed.

Tim Keller ping for later

5 posted on 01/07/2014 2:11:39 PM PST by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: INVAR

>>There is no biblical inconsistencies.

Not that this former Atheist could find.

“Inconsistencies” happen when tradition and doctrines contradict scripture.<<

Interestingly (and may I suggest ironically?) the naysayers yell about “picking and choosing” Scripture.

As with so many things in life, the entirety makes sense. It is the pickers and choosers who adulterate the message given to us.

Dice and slice at your peril.


6 posted on 01/07/2014 2:28:51 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Fight Tapinophobia in all its forms! Do not submit to arduus privilege.)
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To: Gamecock
Thanks for an interesting article GC....So many in the church should understand this because its right out of Romans 7&8. Before Moses there was no ‘Law’, Abraham did things like marrying his half sister which was punishable by death under Moses.

Moses gave the law but only to the Jews - no one else.

Jesus gave us the new covenant, replacing the old covenant, not doing away with the Law but fulfilling/perfecting it. Christians are under Grace [unmerited/undeserved favor] and our law is to love God with all our heart and love others as ourselves [and walk in the Spirit].

Paul wrote extensively about those Jews who attempting to bring the church back under the law but he said if you go back to the law you make Christ of none effect.

7 posted on 01/07/2014 2:30:23 PM PST by virgil283 (When the sun spins, the cross appears, and the skies burn red)
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To: Gamecock

Bookmarked!


8 posted on 01/07/2014 2:31:47 PM PST by Inyo-Mono (NRA)
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To: Gamecock

The law was a tutor leading to Christ. It demonstrated the incapacity of humans to perfectly keep a perfect law. Jesus “fulfilled law”. When Peter and the others met in Jerusalem to decide whether circumcision would be required of Christians they decided not. The law had fulfilled its purpose, but since it was a perfect law, many of the things it forbade are still wrong, like murder, adultery, theft, idolatry and so on. It doesn’t mean the law is still in force.


9 posted on 01/07/2014 2:52:07 PM PST by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: Gamecock

The argument of the atheists and secularists is invalid, but it is still effective. That’s because trying to explain why it is invalid requires quite a bit of exposition, a lot of which is only comprehensible to people already familiar with the Bible and Christian theological ideas. They can toss this grenade out, and by the time you could defuse it, the audience has lost interest and walked away with the impression that you are a hypocrite.

One way to counter that is simply to flip the accusation back at them. Tell them that Muslims are completely inconsistent when it comes to following verses from the Quran. Then demand to know why they are not out publicly condemning the Muslims for their inconsistency. If they tar you unfairly as a hypocrite, tar them right back as a religious bigot.


10 posted on 01/07/2014 2:56:44 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: Gamecock
OK, I'll bite:

If the New Testament has reaffirmed a commandment, then it is still in force for us today.

The whole of Torah was reaffirmed in the New Testament, right out of the lips of Yeshua:

Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
Mat 5:20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

(e-Sword:KJV)

11 posted on 01/07/2014 3:00:04 PM PST by roamer_1 (Globalism is just socialism in a business suit.)
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To: roamer_1

So your contention is that there is a contradiction?


12 posted on 01/07/2014 3:06:35 PM PST by Gamecock (Celebrating 20,000 posts of dubious quality.)
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To: Gamecock
So your contention is that there is a contradiction?

Not in the Bible, but rather in the traditions of Christendom.

13 posted on 01/07/2014 3:08:28 PM PST by roamer_1 (Globalism is just socialism in a business suit.)
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To: Gamecock

Thanks for the ping, G.


14 posted on 01/07/2014 3:14:15 PM PST by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves)
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To: Boogieman

Yup...spot on.


15 posted on 01/07/2014 4:16:29 PM PST by The Unknown Republican
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To: Boogieman
The argument of the atheists and secularists is invalid, but it is still effective. That’s because trying to explain why it is invalid requires quite a bit of exposition, a lot of which is only comprehensible to people already familiar with the Bible and Christian theological ideas. They can toss this grenade out, and by the time you could defuse it, the audience has lost interest and walked away with the impression that you are a hypocrite.


That's very true especially to folks who assume religion and therefore Christianity are about all the ‘things you have to do’ to get into heaven. People that are unsaved tend to see the Bible as a rule book when it is so much more; that's why it says the cross of Christ is foolishness to them.

God gives us some fairly succinct answers in Romans. One of the easiest to remember is Chapter 6 verse 14 “For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.”

That verse is the 20 second crash course in dispensationalism.

16 posted on 01/07/2014 4:31:35 PM PST by Idaho_Cowboy (Ride for the Brand. Joshua 24:15)
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To: Gamecock
I believed the scriptures were inconsistent and the churches full of hypocrites until my eyes were opened to the fact that it was I who really was inconsistent and the hypocrite. Then everything made sense.

1Co 2:14 The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned.

17 posted on 01/07/2014 4:40:57 PM PST by HarleyD (...one of his disciples, whom Jesus loved.)
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To: roamer_1
The whole of Torah was reaffirmed in the New Testament

Why is it we hardly ever hear you under the law guys say "Old Testament? It is always "Torah." Is it because you guys don't believe there is a New Testament?

By the way, verse 17 in the passages you cited is the key to verse 19. The New Testament doesn't promoting unrighteousness and ungodliness. There is a difference in living a righteous life because of an external law, and, having being regenerated by Christ within, living a righteous life because one's very nature has been changed.

18 posted on 01/07/2014 5:03:00 PM PST by sasportas
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correction

The New Testament doesn’t promote unrighteousness and ungodliness.


19 posted on 01/07/2014 5:05:32 PM PST by sasportas
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To: HarleyD

And then the reeeeaaaallly fun part comes when you read it every day and study it more and more, ALL of LIFE becomes meaningful and Glorifies God. It all fits together, and we can’t even see it all! I’m so excited, and it’s not from the black raspberry ice cream I just had.


20 posted on 01/07/2014 5:05:42 PM PST by huldah1776
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