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Six Million African Muslims Convert to Christianity Each Year (?!)
The Muslim Times ^ | April 18, 2012 | Rafiq A. Tschannen

Posted on 06/14/2013 7:29:15 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

This translation of a televised conversation reveals a rare glimpse into the outlook of Muslim scholars who are concerned about Christianity’s growth. The invited guest is Sheikh Ahmad Al Katani; the president of The Companions Lighthouse for the Science of Islamic Law in Libya, which is an institution specializing in graduating imams and Islamic preachers.

Katani starts off describing the overall problem:

Islam used to represent, as you previously mentioned, Africa’s main religion and there were 30 African languages that used to be written in Arabic script. The number of Muslims in Africa has diminished to 316 million, half of whom are Arabs in North Africa. So in the section of Africa that we are talking about, the non Arab section, the number of Muslims does not exceed 150 million people. When we realize that the entire population of Africa is one billion people, we see that the number of Muslims has diminished greatly from what it was in the beginning of the last century. On the other hand, the number of Catholics has increased from one million in 1902 to 329 million 882 thousand (329,882,000). Let us round off that number to 330 million in the year 2000.

As to how that happened, well there are now 1.5 million churches whose congregations account for 46 million people. In every hour, 667 Muslims convert to Christianity. Everyday, 16,000 Muslims convert to Christianity. Ever year, 6 million Muslims convert to Christianity. These numbers are very large indeed.

From what I have heard from reliable sources, six million may be too low. Reliable accounts say that one hundred thousand Africans convert to Christianity per day, though not all of them come from Islam. Then Katani says Muslims should build schools before mosques, in order to build the worshipper (Muslim) before the building. Why? To stop the the dangerous “Christian missionary octopus”

This happens often! The wealthy Arab builds a mosque for himself or one of his parents of his friend, but my dear sir, building a mosque comes as a second stage. In America, the price of building an Islamic school is 5 million dollars. In Africa, 50 thousand dollars are enough to build a very reasonably sized school. I say this and I take full responsibility for it; building a school comes before building a mosque. Build the worshiper before you build the mosque. Take for example yourself; you go to the mosque five times a day and if you added all that time it would equal an hour or maybe two hours if you include the Friday prayer. However, if I ask you how long you stayed at school, you will reply that you spent years in middle school and years in high school. Likewise the African goes to the mosque, but if we built him a school where he could spend most of his time, and provided specialized educators we could at least stop this dangerous Christian missionary octopus.

Katani states the purpose of his school:

The truth is, the institution that I administer is considered pre-college. As for the subject of attracting and preparing specialized missionaries to bring them from their countries to Libya in order to train them and return them back to their countries, that is done through the Islamic Propagation Organization. This organization has graduated a number of classes, some of whose students had masters and doctorate degrees. These efforts were fruitful in that these graduates were able to attract people from their lands and countries because they spoke the language and understood the customs of the people they were proselytizing. This way, the missionary is not a foreigner to the community he is working with, contrast that to what would happen if I went to the Philippines for example. I can’t speak a single Philippino word; much less invite people to the faith.

By now other Muslim leaders have joined in. Abbas Hamid lives in Holland, and he deplores the un-Islamic way of life:

My brother may Allah reward you. We muslims in Holland suffer a lot when we see issues like this and we really suffer when we see a muslim, as the sheikh said, who spends millions in bars and entertainment while other muslims are lost and cannot find a translation of the Koran. Even their children who are able to learn cannot memorize the Koran, they can’t find a translated Koran or even any translated book. The first thing we must do is mend our selves; the Islamic countries must fix themselves first and then they can look at Africa. May Allah reward you and this issue is interesting.

Later, an Arabic-speaking Christian discusses how Islam must preach peace and love. No one denies, as none of the Muslim scholars do, that a religion has the right to spread his faith (except in hard line Islamic countries), but these leaders seem panicky. They express frustration at Islam’s disorganized efforts to maintain Africa. But this one idea eludes them: Islam itself is the problem because it is a burdensome and harsh religion. This is apparent when one Muslim scholar talks about implementing Shari’ah as if it is self-evident that it benefits society.

The whole conversation is fascinating. We must educate ourselves about Islam, and with the worldwide web, we have unprecedented opportunities.


TOPICS: Catholic; Charismatic Christian; Current Events; Eastern Religions; Evangelical Christian; Islam; Mainline Protestant; Ministry/Outreach; Orthodox Christian; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: africa; africanchristians; bornagain; christianity; convert; islam; missionaryoctopus; sharia
Thank God.
1 posted on 06/14/2013 7:29:15 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

How many of them survive?


2 posted on 06/14/2013 7:31:33 PM PDT by al_c (http://www.blowoutcongress.com)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Now send them arms so they can defend themselves from the death cult.


3 posted on 06/14/2013 7:31:45 PM PDT by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Once we learn into what Christian and “Christian” denominations they convert, we can have another glorious religious war thread here. Religious Moderators are standing by.


4 posted on 06/14/2013 7:33:36 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

After centuries of hardship, God’s good grace shall be upon Africa. His wrath will be upon those nations that turn from Him.


5 posted on 06/14/2013 7:33:59 PM PDT by Viennacon (b)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

You mean to tell me the power of God is greater than the muzlime sword?


6 posted on 06/14/2013 7:34:40 PM PDT by MichaelCorleone (Jesus Christ is not a religion. He's the Truth.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I’ve heard Christianity is also growing throughout the Middle East, though mostly secret for obvious reasons.

It is said Iran may become a Christian country within a generation.


7 posted on 06/14/2013 7:35:17 PM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; All
C'mon folks ... do the math ... 6 mil a year?

Africa would be lilly white by now singing Alleluia and Praise The Lord.

8 posted on 06/14/2013 7:35:22 PM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof, but they're true.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

No surprises, really. Another thread this week informed us that the Mormons are sending 85,000 missionaries out there. That alone has to have some positive effect.


9 posted on 06/14/2013 7:37:05 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: knarf

If true, it would be a current growth rate of 6 million/year. That does not mean that it has been a constant rate since 1900.


10 posted on 06/14/2013 7:37:44 PM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
gettin tired of being slaughtered for breaking sharia law in the religion of piece i guess...
12 posted on 06/14/2013 7:42:54 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: 23 Everest

We got em’ on the run!


13 posted on 06/14/2013 7:43:43 PM PDT by DIRTYSECRET (urope. Why do they put up with this.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

A LIST OF MUSLIM CONVERTS TO CHRISTIANITY:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_converts_to_Christianity_from_Islam


14 posted on 06/14/2013 7:44:36 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: Revolting cat!
85,000 in Africa would be a pretty mean feat considering they have less than 60,000 serving worldwide.

Still, anything that reduces Islam numbers worldwide has my support, even if they become Baha'i or Buddhists.

15 posted on 06/14/2013 7:50:35 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

In a free market of religions, Christianity wipes the floor with Islam.

“Christian” converts to Islam are generally not Christian at all—they tend to be leftists who are attracted to Islam’s political aspects and greater opportunities for control and rule over others. Or else they are products of single-mother households for whom Islam has the same appeal as the street gang: Male bonding (which in normal families is part of a father-son relationship), and opportunities for violence.

For the follower of Islam, the Gospels are explosively subversive. The monstrous and cruel dictator of the suras crumbles like a movie special-effect in the face of Jesus and the easy yoke and the light burden.


16 posted on 06/14/2013 7:53:35 PM PDT by denydenydeny (Admiration of absolute government is proportionate to the contempt one has for others.-Tocqueville)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

And according to Islam, they’re subject to death.


17 posted on 06/14/2013 7:56:39 PM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

A good start?


18 posted on 06/14/2013 7:59:10 PM PDT by cdcdawg (Be seeing you...)
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To: Jonty30

Watch the interview in Al Jazeerah here:

6 Million Muslims convert to Christianity - Al-Jazeerah TV!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjnHeByrfaU


19 posted on 06/14/2013 8:07:00 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: Revolting cat!
Mostly they become Catholic or Anglican. Despite the debauched state of the American church, the Anglican Church is very robust in subSaharan Africa.
20 posted on 06/14/2013 8:16:29 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I was in Africa for a mission trip. I was surprised to find that the large plane from Amsterdam to Entebbe was filled with missionaries from all over the U.S. This was not an organized plane full of people that knew each other. Our group was only about a dozen in size. God is working through people for Africa. On another note, the African Methodists are very conservative compared to big city Methodists in the states.
21 posted on 06/14/2013 8:27:52 PM PDT by jdsteel (Give me freedom, not more government.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

This has some fascinating parts to it.

First and foremost, black Africans have finally realized that Arabs have always, and will always, see them as nothing more than slaves, whether they are pagans, Christians or Muslims. “Islam says that all Muslims are equal. So why are we treated as slaves by our fellow Muslims?”

Meanwhile, Christianity has no slavery, and Christians fight against slavery, even buying freedom for some Muslim slaves.

A recent example of this was in Timbuktu, when the Tuaregs descended on the city, and immediately enslaved free blacks, as did the Arabs who had lived freely with blacks for years, who turned on their black neighbors and abused them. When the French finally routed the Tuaregs, and many of the Arabs ran away as well, the local blacks cheered.

While the city was and is firmly Muslim, the message was not lost on the blacks.

Next, someone cannot just “leave” Islam, because the Muslims will say they cannot, and will still call them Muslim and treat them as such. So to leave, they must convert, and Christianity is the best option. So they can say, “I am *not* a Muslim. I am a Christian!”

Then, the timing of this was nothing short of amazing.

With the huge influx of converts, the Christian churches of Africa were financially stretched thin. But at just the right time, the Anglican church in North America had a schism. Its conservatives, to escape the oppression of its leftist Bishops, took their churches out of the Anglican dioceses, and instead became “African Missionary Churches” for the very conservative African dioceses.

African Missionary Churches filled with middle and upper middle class white people. White people with money, and more than happy to send a lot of it to their African bishops and Archbishops.

Money that immediately went into building church after church for all the new Christian converts. And this was just the Anglicans.

The Catholics, Evangelicals, and other conservative Christian churches have been pouring a river of money into Africa at just the right time, and every penny matters.

In turn, some of the Christian leaders have nations of congregants, and the unsolicited power of princes.

And all the while, Islam hemorrhages. Importantly, the birthrate in Arab nations has plummeted, so their growth that way is also in question in the future.


22 posted on 06/14/2013 8:36:28 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Best WoT news at rantburg.com)
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To: 2banana

Omoslem would have to be nothing but a bad memory before that could happen.


23 posted on 06/14/2013 8:39:56 PM PDT by Trod Upon (Every penny given to film and TV media companies goes right into enemy coffers. Starve them out!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Maybe African churches will start sending missionaries to Europe and the US to convert the heathen.


24 posted on 06/14/2013 8:44:10 PM PDT by Fiji Hill (>)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

See, no wonder there’s so much violence, it’s completely understandable that Moslems would react to this. /s

Thanks 2ndDivisionVet.


25 posted on 06/14/2013 9:11:33 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (McCain or Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: MichaelCorleone

You mean to tell me the power of God is greater than the muzlime sword?

Yes, and the reality is that true resistance against the muzzie can work~~~too bad so many people, PC and many national leaders are so afraid of the muzzie the muzslim sword becomes greater than it really is~


26 posted on 06/14/2013 9:24:39 PM PDT by Isabel2010
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To: 2banana
Now send them arms so they can defend themselves from the death cult.

That and a little training is exactly what South Sudan needs to defend itself from the Muslim thugs of Khartoum

27 posted on 06/14/2013 9:30:07 PM PDT by PGR88
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To: SeekAndFind

Hmmm. Why would Al Jazeerah report such a high number? Is the motive to motivate against any Christians?


28 posted on 06/14/2013 10:04:13 PM PDT by huldah1776
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To: Fiji Hill

They’ve already been doing that for years.


29 posted on 06/14/2013 11:58:01 PM PDT by JerseyanExile
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To: Jonty30

Said by who?


30 posted on 06/15/2013 12:08:36 AM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

Also I sense God is preparing missionaries to bring back the good news of the Gospel back to the west.


31 posted on 06/15/2013 3:07:43 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Fiji Hill

God is getting His missionaries ready to bring the good news of the Gospel to the west.


32 posted on 06/15/2013 3:09:28 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: huldah1776

RE: Why would Al Jazeerah report such a high number?

To sound the alarm to the Muslim world regarding the “enemy” advancing.


33 posted on 06/15/2013 5:07:25 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Also to realize that the good news of the Gospel of Jesus is winning souls to Christ.


34 posted on 06/15/2013 7:05:48 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Biggirl

Trying to figure out Christianity in Africa is problematic at best. According to the Congressional Research Service, there are a little over 300 million. Britannica Online Encyclopedia says 488 million. According to the UN and Pew research, 516 million.

The Catholic church alone claims 330 million in Africa.
Anglicans 43 million.
No even approximate totals for Evangelicals and other Protestants, other than some reporting growth rates of 400%.


35 posted on 06/15/2013 7:23:46 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Best WoT news at rantburg.com)
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To: knarf
"White"? Where do you get "white"?
36 posted on 06/15/2013 3:30:27 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Jesus, my Lord, my God, my all.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

/s ... sorry, I didn’t think you needed it ...obviously not.


37 posted on 06/15/2013 3:48:21 PM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof, but they're true.)
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To: al_c

unless they are in Libya or east, they can convert with a lower chance of death. What we need to encourage is Berber nationalism — Berbers fear their ethnicity being overwhlemed by Arabisation (most north africans are berbers but think of themselves as Arabs as being an Arab is prestigious in Islam).


38 posted on 06/15/2013 9:36:48 PM PDT by Cronos (Latin presbuteros>Late Latin presbyter->Old English pruos->Middle Engl prest->priest)
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To: Revolting cat!
Not me. This Catholic sees an argument with fellow Christians as an argument, but the war-to-death with Islam is different.

Let them all become Jehovah's Witnesses or Mormons, it's still better than Islam...

39 posted on 06/15/2013 9:38:10 PM PDT by Cronos (Latin presbuteros>Late Latin presbyter->Old English pruos->Middle Engl prest->priest)
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To: Jonty30; odds
It is said Iran may become a Christian country within a generation.

That may be optimistic. What IS true is that Iranians are turning from Islam.

Iranis are not Arabs, so Islam is a foreign philosophy that glorifies a culture that they look on as inferior. Also, the misrule by the Ayatollah's has alienated many. Mosque attendance is low -- look at Tehran's mosque to Ayatollah Khomeini -- it's mostly empty except for women beggars with their children and tourists....

40 posted on 06/15/2013 9:40:13 PM PDT by Cronos (Latin presbuteros>Late Latin presbyter->Old English pruos->Middle Engl prest->priest)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy
also note that Islam is like a civilizational virus and like any virus, the virulent strains, the violent strains come up every now and then, but these are the ones that die out quickly. Wahabbism/Salafism is the latest violent strain and it is slowly taking over the entire Sunni world

This has the effect of being the one that will destroy Islam IF we take the opportunity to humiliate Islam utterly and totally. Islam works on being a "join us, we win" religion.

41 posted on 06/15/2013 10:09:19 PM PDT by Cronos (Latin presbuteros>Late Latin presbyter->Old English pruos->Middle Engl prest->priest)
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To: Cronos

To go a bit deeper, at its founding, Islam actually *was* more civilized than the tribalism that existed around it. This both gave it a selling point to about anyone, and the organization to overcome the existing systems.

However, this belief in its superiority is still there, even though it is plainly obvious to about everyone that it is an inferior way, compared to civilization. The end result is that Islam has taken up the mantle of barbarism against civilization, while still furtively asserting it is superior.

What really crippled Islam, however, was the Persian philosopher al-Ghazali, in the 11th and 12th Centuries. His philosophy was paradoxical, and ultimately fundamentalist: that Muslims should seek knowledge, which they were doing, but they should not seek knowledge outside of the Koran, the Tafsir and the Tawil, the books that explain it in detail, because “all knowledge” is contained within them.

It was with his philosophy and its related Persian xenophobia, that was the end of Islamic learning. It didn’t happen immediately, but spread throughout the ummah, and fortunately did not reach the great Islamic libraries in Spain until after the Christians had retaken the place.

In those parts of Islam already prone to primitivism, al-Ghazali was preceded by Salafism, best described as reverting in behavior and knowledge to the time of Mohammed, and then in the 18th Century by Wahhabism, which is also the embrace of severe primitivism, and utterly destructive of anything else, since. As soon as Wahhabis take over a decorated mosque, for example, they destroy all the art and whitewash the walls. They control Saudi Arabia, as well, and have even obliterated all historical traces of Mohammed and other artifacts. History bad.

And unfortunately for Muslims, the vast majority of Sunni Imams are trained in Pakistan, in Wahhabi madrassas schools. So no matter what Sunni sect, nor how modernist it is, they will likely get radical fundamentalist clergy, who will try to radicalize them, and recruit their children to go on violent jihad.

Fortunately, when barbarism fights civilization, barbarism almost always loses, for the simple reason that everyone can tell what works better. While this is less obvious in the West, in Africa, Islam is hemorrhaging followers who convert to Christianity. Voting with their feet.

And if you are reliant on brutality to keep your followers, you have already lost.


42 posted on 06/16/2013 6:07:06 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Best WoT news at rantburg.com)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy; elcid1970; Salvation

ping to a very informative post by yefr


43 posted on 06/16/2013 6:26:30 AM PDT by Cronos (Latin presbuteros>Late Latin presbyter->Old English pruos->Middle Engl prest->priest)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy
when barbarism fights civilization, barbarism almost always loses

to debate -- I wonder if that is always true -- after all the Moslem hordes invaded and took over the higher civilisations of India, Iran

44 posted on 06/16/2013 6:29:05 AM PDT by Cronos (Latin presbuteros>Late Latin presbyter->Old English pruos->Middle Engl prest->priest)
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To: Cronos

Persia is an unusual case, because it is the crossroads of southern Asia, as Turkey is the meeting point between Asia and Europe. Both have been frequently overrun.

The first conquest of Persia was by Alexander, then with the end of his empire, they were dominated by Greece for a while longer, during which both Zoroastrianism and Buddhism held sway. Though the Arabic conquest at the time was fierce, it was only partially successful, as the Persians could not abide dominance by Arabs, to the point of creating the great schism of Islam, becoming the Shiites. The Zoroastarians still dominated the upper classes to modern times, with Islam being the religion of the poor.

India was even more haphazard, Islam having only limited force, and meeting a brick wall of Hindu and Buddhism. For a long time there was coexistence, with various kings vying for which religion would be more advantageous. The last example of this was in modern Kashmir, in which the king refused to choose, resulting in contention that exists to this day.

A similar thing happened with the Islamic conquest of western Europe from Africa. Almost making it to France before being turned back, there was generally modest to moderate instability with Christians until the Muslims were finally booted out during the Reconquista in 1492.

Yet during all of this, determining which force was *more* civilized is problematic. They were not profoundly different, a choice between civilization and barbarity, as were the (western) Romans and the tribes of Gaul, so the contention was more between equals.

And this is a great example of barbarism vs. the decline of civilization. It took a very long time for the tribes to conquer the western Roman empire, and in that time they had become far more civilized.


45 posted on 06/16/2013 7:19:47 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Best WoT news at rantburg.com)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Excellent news, although I’d like to see the numbers independently verified. Plus, I thought a large majority of North African Muslims were Berbers, not Arabs.


46 posted on 06/16/2013 6:58:45 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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