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Dutch Anxiety Over ‘Sharia Triangle’ Police No-Go Area in The Hague
The Irish Times ^ | 5/24/13 | Peter Cluskey

Posted on 05/27/2013 10:45:46 AM PDT by marshmallow

Area two kilometres from city centre has become ‘orthodox Muslim territory’ largely ignored by authorities

There have been calls for an urgent debate in the Dutch parliament about the integration of Muslim immigrants amid claims that one area of The Hague, known locally as “the Sharia triangle”, is being run by a form of unofficial Sharia police.

The claims relate to the district of Schilderswijk, about two kilometres from the city centre, where an almost entirely Muslim population of some 5,000 people surrounds the El Islam mosque, fuelling criticism that the government has failed to ensure a proper ethnic mix in schools and local housing. One recent investigation, in which local people were extensively interviewed, concluded that Schilderswijk had become “orthodox Muslim territory” which was now largely ignored by the city authorities, by politicians and even by the police, on the grounds that it had become self-regulating.

The investigation found that orthodox Muslims had become so dominant that they were dictating what people in the neighbourhood wore and how they behaved.

“The norms of the majority are beginning to take over,” it said.

In the case of women, dress was a particular issue. One woman told how her daughter had been approached and told her short skirt was inappropriate, while her son had been called a “kaffir” – a racist term formerly used in colonial South Africa to refer to a black person – for smoking.

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TOPICS: Current Events; General Discusssion; Islam; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: europeanunion; netherlands; shariah

1 posted on 05/27/2013 10:45:46 AM PDT by marshmallow
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To: marshmallow

The Hague is not that big of the city. Also, not only is it the capital of the Netherlands, it is the home of the International Court of Justice!

2 posted on 05/27/2013 10:48:22 AM PDT by Cowboy Bob (Democrats: Robbing Peter to buy Paul's vote.)
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To: marshmallow

Are Western nations going to continue to be sovereign over their own affairs? Or are they unofficially turning their countries over to foreign powers?

We fought two World Wars over there, only to have them hand over their countries to invasion and rule by foreigners without any kind of defense.

3 posted on 05/27/2013 10:48:24 AM PDT by boxlunch
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To: marshmallow

Don’t know if it is still true, but in the 80’s and 90’s there were places in Miami and Chicago that the police would NOT set foot in. For the usual reasons.

4 posted on 05/27/2013 10:50:11 AM PDT by I cannot think of a name
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To: marshmallow

I’ve said it before, the Netherlands will be the first to fall.

5 posted on 05/27/2013 10:53:00 AM PDT by riri (Plannedopolis-look it up. It's how the elites plan for US to live.)
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To: marshmallow

Squishy Dutch. They ignore the lessons of European history. Once Islam conquerors something, it becomes muslim territory forever.

6 posted on 05/27/2013 10:56:49 AM PDT by Owl558 (Those who remember George Santayana are doomed to repeat him)
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To: marshmallow

It’s time for the Netherlands to be returned to the sea.

7 posted on 05/27/2013 11:04:59 AM PDT by reg45 (Barack 0bama: Implementing class warfare by having no class.)
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To: marshmallow

Will the Dutch realize how stupid it was to allow bands of bearded savages to take over the country?

8 posted on 05/27/2013 11:11:27 AM PDT by I want the USA back (Pi$$ed off yet?)
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To: I want the USA back

Wasps find a spider. They feel all along the spider, which freezes. Then, the wasp goes away to dig a hole. The spider remains frozen. Only when the wasp stings it does the spider attempt to fight, but it’s too late by then. The spider is paralyzed and the wasp drags it to a hole and lays its egg in the body. The larval wasp eats the spider alive.

In answer to our question, when will the invaded societies fight? Well, when they’ve been stung and it’s too late.

9 posted on 05/27/2013 11:27:26 AM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: marshmallow

“A veiled Muslim woman, however, defended Islamic practices, and said dressing modestly would “do the locals good”. She pointed out that women in the Dutch ultra-conservative, largely Protestant, Bible Belt also wore long dresses, and that shops there were closed on Sunday – as many in Schilderswijk were on Fridays.”

I would be very surprised if the Protestant, Bible belt portion of Holland required the stoning of those who didn’t follow their rules.

10 posted on 05/27/2013 11:28:25 AM PDT by ReformationFan
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To: marshmallow

Only leftists ever cede authority over part of their jurisdiction, their responsibility. Importantly, leftists support policies against their citizens that make it possible to cede such territory.

When conservatives ascend to leadership over such an enclave, they immediately work to end it as a chaotic or ungoverned place. They start by enforcing the law there, then they divide and gentrify it, to integrate it with the more prosperous community around it.

And this is important, because the forces of chaos are dependent on poverty, inequity, and most of all passivity, and this is true on the small or large scale.

Granted, the forces of chaos vigorously oppose this, because if it is successful, even they can tell it is the end of their power.

A great example of turning around such a violent and chaotic place may begin in Chicago after June 9th, when the state of Illinois has appeals court enforced gun liberty, despite the leftists who currently control it.

What is likely to happen is that the citizens of Chicago will again realize that the power of government is from them, not from government. And if they enforce law and order, they will get law and order.

11 posted on 05/27/2013 11:30:50 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Best WoT news at
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This triangle will continue to grow and grow, unless the dutch excise it like the cancer it is, immediately. Sooner or later, the people will finally be fed up with the lack of government action, and rivers of blood will flow in the streets.

12 posted on 05/27/2013 11:42:36 AM PDT by dsrtsage (One half of all people have below average IQ. In the US the number is 54%)
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To: boxlunch

I hope your understanding spreads. However, even if people eventually “get the picture” they may not have the moral strength to do anything to stop the takeover.

13 posted on 05/27/2013 12:08:08 PM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: marshmallow

Couldn’t have happened to a more deserving third world country!

14 posted on 05/27/2013 12:16:26 PM PDT by RetiredTexasVet (Truth - the new hate speech!)
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To: Owl558

True in the last 100 years, but not true if you go far enough back (Middle ages, Islam encroached well into Spain, Eastern Europe etc, but was beaten back by Charles Martel and several other heroes.

Europeans knew who they were and what they stood for then, though.

15 posted on 05/27/2013 12:35:55 PM PDT by boxlunch
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To: boxlunch

“True in the last 100 years, but not true if you go far enough back (Middle ages, Islam encroached well into Spain, Eastern Europe etc, but was beaten back by Charles Martel and several other heroes.”

This is exactly what I am referring to. The islamists teach that Spain, et. all. are occupied muslim lands just as they do Israel. They are quite serious about this. We remember Martel, but also note the the ‘reconquista’ took 700 years to complete, finally ending in the fateful year of 1492. It was far more bitter and tenacious than anything we have seen in the last 100 years.

16 posted on 05/27/2013 12:56:18 PM PDT by Owl558 (Those who remember George Santayana are doomed to repeat him)
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To: riri
Belgium is right up there. They were the ones who basically joined their Nazi overlords from the outbreak of hostilities. Battalions of Waffen SS troops from Belgium fought against the Russians on the Eastern Front. Holland at least put up a pro forma defense.
17 posted on 05/27/2013 1:46:50 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: marshmallow

If they keep pushing I think the people are just about ready to explode. It is coming to the point where these areas need surrounded and burnt to the ground.Allow no one out. Problem solved.

18 posted on 05/27/2013 1:48:15 PM PDT by chris_bdba
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks marshmallow.
There have been calls for an urgent debate in the Dutch parliament about the integration of Muslim immigrants amid claims that one area of The Hague, known locally as “the Sharia triangle”, is being run by a form of unofficial Sharia police.
Block off the neighborhood, tell all non-muzzies to get out, when they're out, set the whole thing on fire and blast anyone who tries to escape. Y'know, in the nicest possible way.

19 posted on 05/27/2013 3:29:39 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: Owl558
Once Islam conquerors something, it becomes muslim territory forever.

history proves that statement wrong....however, if we wait too long, we could be in real trouble.

20 posted on 05/27/2013 3:30:56 PM PDT by terycarl
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To: riri

It already has. It was the first nation to create so-called “same-sex ‘marriage’”. Now it can reap the “joys” of Islamification.

21 posted on 05/27/2013 3:48:57 PM PDT by ReformationFan
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To: marshmallow

Preserving The Islamic Identity in The West Threats & Solutions

By Br. Amir Abdullah

The Islamic identity of Muslims in Australia is rapidly being dissolved in the melting pot of this society. Clearly our identity is under threat as we see our ideologies, beliefs and manners give way to the ideologies, beliefs and manners of the Kuffar. The preservation of the Islamic identity has become a challenge rather than something we can take for granted. What makes this challenge unique, however, is that there is no Islamic leadership, no Caliphate and no country in which protection or guidance can be sought.

For a multitude of reasons, most of which are not in accordance with Islam, Muslims have been flocking to non-Muslim countries. Some come as refugees, many come for a better standard of living, others to get education, be near to their relatives, and some for Da’wah. The result of this is a new problem, which has not existed for centuries - Muslims are being exposed, on an unprecedented scale to non-Muslim cultures and beliefs. In fact, many are now born in these countries, and instead of being raised with a sound Islamic identity, many are taking the Christian values of their ‘adopted home’. It is of little surprise that we see many Muslims turn from Islam in later life.

This article aims to expose some of the sources of misguidance for Muslims living amongst the Kuffar, as well as some solutions and defences we can employ.

The Islamic Identity

Firstly, it is necessary to define what is meant by the term “Islamic identity” . The Islamic Identity is taken to mean the way of life of the Muslim - an all-encompassing set of beliefs, practices and ideologies as derived from the Qur’an and the example of Muhammad (saws). The Islamic identity is that which separates us from the Kuffar.


The education system is typically where the indoctrination process begins. Muslim school children are sent off by their parents to Kafir schools with good intentions of an education and a chance at a better life (in this world, at least). The children are placed in an environment where the mixing of sexes is not only tolerated but encouraged through the placement of children in multi-gender sporting teams and class groups. These children grow up to believe such behaviour is normal. This leads, in most cases, to the m passing off the Islamic requirement of segregated sexes as ‘old fashioned’ or ‘backward’. After years in an environment as free as this, it is no surprise that we see so many young Muslims with ‘boyfriends’, and ‘girlfriends’.

A major component of the education system is to turn the students into ‘good Australians’. To be a good Australian means to obey the laws of the land even if they conflict with the laws of Allah. We see this from the earliest stages of the child’s education in the form of flag-raising ceremonies each morning in which the children sing the national anthem and stand in respect as the flag of the non-Muslims is raised over their heads.

In later stages, the indoctrination becomes more advanced through subjects such as politics and legal studies. In these studies, the ‘benefits’ of western-style democracy and the Westminster system of government are taught. The children are taught that Shirk is the best form of government. They are taught that being a “good citizen” is about voting and participation in this Shirk-based system. By the time the child passes through the digestive tract of the Kaffir educational system, he or she will probably see him/herself as an Australian first and a Muslim second. The effect on the Islamic identity is that it is replaced with, in best case scenarios, a watered-down Islamic identity, and in the extreme case, a total Kaffir identity.

Every subject taught to the Muslim has a hidden agenda - to foster disbelief and moral decline. In Human Education, our children are being taught that being promiscuous is a ‘natural part of growing up’. These enemies of Allah are even equipping our children with contraceptive devices, under our noses, giving them their tacit approval to commit adultery. These same classes teach that homosexuality is something that ‘cannot be helped’ and as such is a perfectly ‘normal’ kind of behaviour.

In History, we see a euro-centric view of the world in which the Christians are viewed as the only people worthy of any respect or any admiration. It is rare that mention is ever made of the great contribution made to the Occidental world from the Orient. It is even rarer that the names of the great Muslim scientists are mentioned. It is no wonder that many Muslim children end up with a sense of shame in being Muslim. This shame is often shown in their refusal to use their ‘Muslim names’, e.g. suddenly Muhammad becomes known as ‘Mike’.

When the Christians (according to their curriculum) have done all the “good things” can you honestly blame them? These seeds of shame planted in the mind of the Muslim child will bear the sour fruits of disbelief in later life and serve to ensure the Islamic identity is destroyed.

Despite Australia’ s claims of being a secular society, the education system places a heavy, though largely invisible, emphasis on Christian beliefs and practices. In the lead up to Christmas it is not extraordinary for even government-run schools to hold nativity plays, or make the students engage in Christmas-based activities, such as making Christmas cards or so forth. This coupled with the fact that the Muslim student is probably a minority in a school full of Kaffirs, serves to pressure the Muslim child into adopting practices that are clearly not from Islam. The Muslim child will see his or her friends exchanging presents at Christmas and may expect the same at home. Often the schools present these Christian practices in such a way that the child may even be unaware that they are acting out the behaviour of the disbelievers. It is important that parents are aware of this and take the necessary steps to prevent it or at least ensure it does not impact the child.

Of course whilst the empirical source of this is the Kuffar and his puppeteer, the Shaytan, we cannot blame them entirely. We must also look to ourselves. Muslim families, having lost much of their Islamic values, have sold out to the West. By sending our children to kindergarten and child care centers we are sending our children to be suckled by the Shaytan. One need only look at the high number of child molestation’ s that occur in these places to see the truth of this. It is out of neglect for our Islamic duties, and a love of dunya , that we neglect our children. Muslim mothers are choosing to work rather than stay home and ensure their children are educated Islamically. The so-called “woman’s liberation movement” has indeed succeeded in “ liberating women” - liberating them from the shackles of responsible parenting. Fathers, drunk on western commercialism, are emphasizing economic and material growth of the family unit over spiritual growth. If these children received the proper Islamic education at home, perhaps the wolves of disbelief would not find them such easy prey.

Proper Islamic education should counter the lies and the corruption fed to the children in school. It should be presented in such a way as to engender a feeling of pride in Islam. Furthermore, it should cover Islamic history to offset the lies taught in History, Islamic law to offset the lies taught in Legal Studies. Parents must take responsibility for arming their students with correct Aqeedah and sound knowledge to defend themselves from these wolves and the decline of the Islamic identity.


The media plays a critical part in non-Muslim society. Not only does the television serve as a window to the outside world, but for many families it also serves as a defacto baby-sitter. Muslims need to be aware that the view of the world presented by the television and indeed other mediums is through the eyes of a non-believer.

We can see this non-belief represented in a number of areas, particularly in the coverage of the news and in the moral bankruptcy of much of the media content.

The news provides us with an insight into the world around us. A world where Mujahideen are called ‘terrorists’, where the Straight Path is called ‘ Islamic fundamentalism’, and where all Muslims are misogynistic wife-bashers. Over time, this can engender a feeling of self-hatred in the adult and child Muslim viewer. It creates a feeling of shame if constantly the word Muslim is used synonymously with everything bad in the world. When a Muslim no longer feels pride in Islam, then the progression to disbelief is easy. Adult Muslims should be sure to watch the news with a critical eye. They should be aware that what they are seeing is often far from reality, and they should use their understanding of Islam as a benchmark for determining the truth from falsehood.

Perhaps, the television’s most significant effect is to take filthy, evil and unIslamic behaviour and give it a cloak of respectability. It serves to convince the Muslim viewer that what they are seeing is the social norm. A good example is the so-called love scene that forms such a crucial element in the Kaffirs’ movie o r TV show. They paint the picture that somehow in some sort of sick way that zina equates with love and is a ‘natural’ behaviour. It is only to be expected that after years of constant bombardment with this message that the initial disgust a Muslim feels subsides to acceptance.

Next time your children have the television on, be warned that what they are watching contains messages designed specifically to enter the mind of the child or young person. In the case of many cartoons, for example, we see elements of idol worship couple d with the taking of partners with Allah Ta’ala. So many of these cartoons have a mythological underpinning with a focus on idolatry and false gods. All of these cartoons and so forth are laying the foundation for turning the children into Mushriks. For example Superman, where people in need call out to this caped Kafir in his underwear to save the day with his god-like powers. How many Muslim children spend their formative years acting out imagined scenes from Superman or other similar cartoons? This is something in direct opposition to the principles of Tawheed that we, as Muslims, should seek the help of Allah alone.

Many young people’s shows also focus heavily on parental-child conflict and often attempt to paint this sort of behaviour as a ‘normal’ part of growing up. Typically, the solution to this conflict is either to fight back or to run away. In either case it teaches the children an Islamically inappropriate response to any conflict.

Aside from showing us the outside world, the media dictates how we look at ourselves. It provides a benchmark for judging ourselves and others. The media shows us how others live, or how others behave. It defines how we view success, what qualities we see as admirable, what behaviour we see as normal. Take for example the so-called lifestyle shows that feature so prominently on TV. We see expensive houses, lavishly decorated with all the trappings of dunya and this is pushed onto us as the Australian ideal. If we are not strong in Islam then these media-generated standards get adopted as our own. We’ ll start to equate success with owning an expensive car or living in a big house. We’ll start to think that beauty is dependent on how we look. We’ll start to forget about the paradise that Allah has promised those that believe, and we’ll start trying to create a ‘paradise’ right here in dunya. This is one of the major threats to our Islamic identity.

The best solution to the threat of the media lies in active censorship and in education. Active censorship means to be aware that what we are viewing is not necessarily the reality but rather a Kafir view of reality. We should constantly be evaluating the message or the content of a particular piece of media against our understanding of Islam to determine if it is right or wrong. Contrast this to a passive approach where the viewer sees the media as an infallible source of information, accepting blindly the message being presented without questioning its appropriateness in an Islamic sense. As adults we should likewise apply this to our children’s viewing. We should pay close attention to the messages being fed to our children and be sure to counter anything unIslamic with sound evidence from the Qur’an and hadith as to why such-and-such is not good. This goes hand in hand with the education of the children to think Islamically and to know that what is Halal and Haraam to a Muslim is not necessarily what is good and bad in a Kafir’s view.

Mixing With the Kaffirs

It is a fact of life that we must, to some extent, keep close company with the Kuffar. This is almost unavoidable given that we work, study and, unfortunately, play with them.

The Prophet (saws) said that whoever is with a people for 40 days or more begins to take on some of their characteristics. As such, we must be very careful of mixing with the Kuffar because, whether we realise it or not, we are assuming some of their behaviour and beliefs.

Possibly this represents the biggest threat to the Muslim in this country because the media and education can easily be censored. Also, the indoctrination is far more open and direct, whereas through mixing, our Islamic identity’ s erosion is far more sublime.

There are many ways in which too much contact with the Kuffar will lead to us losing our identities. The taking of Kuffar for close friends is something that Allah has clearly warned out in the Qur’an yet it is something so many of us do. With any friends, Kuffar or Muslim, it is natural that we will seek to please them. Allah tells us that the Kuffar will only be happy once we disbelieve. It therefore follows that the way that a Muslim pleases his Kuffar friend is to exhibit signs of disbelief. The Kaffir is probably not even aware that he is leading his friend astray, and probably neither is the Muslim.

If a Muslim associates with the Kuffar, he will make efforts to ‘fit in’ with this group. In order to ‘fit in’ we must act like Australians. Fitting in typically consists of adjusting our Islam to a religion more acceptable to the Kuffar we are associating w ith so intimately. It is this that gives rise to what Sayyid Qutb would call an apologetic mindset. Where Muslims feel inclined to explain every ‘strange behaviour’ to the disbelievers. “ Well, those people who blow up busses in Israel.. they are not real Muslims”.

Often the first thing Muslims will modify is their style of dress. Whilst a seemingly trivial change, it often represents more than what it seems. When a Muslim sees the Kafirs dressed in a certain way, and chooses to imitate them to ‘fit in ‘, it’s a compromise. Once a Muslim has compromised once, it becomes easier to compromise again. The beard gets shaved. The Hijab comes off. Halal meat gives way to Haram meat. Perhaps even a drink with his ‘mates’ after work becomes permissible. Eventually the Muslim is left with a watered-down, Kafir-friendly Islam that often bears more resemblance to the beliefs of the Mushrik than the Mo’min.

Muslims must be aware of the hidden effects of this. Furthermore, the best protection is to keep amongst other Muslims. Whilst it is a necessity for some contact with the Kuffar, we should limit it to the bare minimum and make sincere efforts to offset it with contact with other Muslims. This is an important part of keeping our Islamic identity and indeed keeping Islam alive in this country.

The points mentioned are a few of many. Every aspect of Kafir society is designed to mislead us from the straight path, even if we cannot see it.


Narrated Samara bin Jundub, Allah’s Messenger (saws) said:

” Anybody (from among the Muslims) who meets, gathers together, lives, and stays with a Mushrik, and agrees to his ways, opinions, etc. and enjoys his living with him (Mushrik) then he (that Muslim) is like him (Mushrik)” [Sunan Abu Dawud - The Book of Jihad]

There is a defense that can be applied that will render every effort by the Kuffar useless, and serve to keep our Islamic identity intact. This defence is knowledge. The Muslim should arm himself with a correct Aqeedah and an awareness of what it means to be Muslim. Any attack, any attempt to subvert or mislead will then be in vain. If the Muslim knows the true nature of this society and if he can see how it is designed to mislead, then he will not fall into its traps. This ability to distinguish from right and wrong and chose right comes from a correct Aqeedah.

The strength of the family unit is also a defence. The father is the shepherd of the household and like any other shepherd he should protect his flock from the wolves. In this case the wolves are the Kuffar, and the protection is to pass the knowledge onto the children and his wives. The children should be provided with a sound Islamic education outside of their schooling. This is imperative if the children are to be strong enough to avoid the many pitfalls they w ill face. They should be taught that the only truth in this world is the Qur’an and the Sunnah of the Prophet (saws) and that all else must be judged against these two noble criterion.

Finally, there is a solution guaranteed to remove the risks, and that is to remove oneself from amongst the disbelievers.

It is therefore unavoidable that as long as we live here we will, through a process of cultural osmosis, take on some of the characteristics of the Kuffar. The likeness of Islam and Kuffar is like that of fresh clear spring water and water brought up from the bottom of a suburban sewer. If even a drop of the filthy water enters the clear water, the clarity diminishes. Likewise it only takes a drop of the filth of disbelief to contaminate Islam in the West. If we have it within our means we should therefore consider moving to a Muslim land whereby we can at least live amongst our brethren and within an Islamic society free from the contamination of the disbelievers.

22 posted on 05/28/2013 4:11:49 AM PDT by Fred Nerks (Fair Dinkum!)
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To: Owl558

Although Spain is an example of land that was taken back from the Muslims. It is a teaching lesson on how to take land back from the Muslims.

23 posted on 05/28/2013 5:57:20 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Owl558

But history does teach that land can be taken back from the Muslims.

24 posted on 05/28/2013 5:58:55 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Biggirl

“But history does teach that land can be taken back from the Muslims.”

Yes, absolutely. I’m sorry I didn’t express myself well on this point. I was trying to say that from the islamist perspective, Spain is occupied land. The islamists teach that once they have conquered a land for Islam, it is theirs forever.

25 posted on 05/28/2013 10:17:57 AM PDT by Owl558 (Those who remember George Santayana are doomed to repeat him)
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