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Corrupt Politicians Aren't the Problem....Just a Symptom of the Problem
Vanity

Posted on 11/09/2012 1:54:39 AM PST by goodn'mad

Unless we have a national soul searching, life changing revivial, I'm afraid that our nation is at an end. Right has become wrong and wrong has become right. I don't think we are at the crossroads; we've already passed that with this election. The Lord is our only hope but you know, He always has been. We as a nation just haven't been listening. I'm as guilty as anyone. Regarding the election, Obama and the liberal senators who were just swept into office are not the problem. They are just a symptom of the problem. Our problem is a spiritual sickness and the people we elect are just a symptom of that. When our hearts and minds are right before the Lord, we will no longer elect unrighteous, Godless politicians!!!! Same-sex marriage. Abortion on demand. Destroying the economy with reckless spending. Putting people on the dole just so you can capture their votes. Please? What have we come to?


TOPICS: Moral Issues
KEYWORDS: corruptpoliticians; revivial; vanity
I know many freepers disagree with this but I won't back down. I believe this with every fiber in my being. Unless we repent, we will perish. I think America has stepped into the balance and been found wanting. Sorry but I'm too old and tired to even attempt to be politically correct anymore.
1 posted on 11/09/2012 1:54:51 AM PST by goodn'mad
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To: goodn'mad

I would think very few would disagree with your statement. We no longer honor God so he no longer blesses us.


2 posted on 11/09/2012 2:05:55 AM PST by Sporke (USS Iowa BB-61)
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To: goodn'mad
I totally agree with you my FRiend.

A scripture came to me about this time.

The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, 10 and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, 12 that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
--2 Thess. 2:9-12

3 posted on 11/09/2012 2:07:47 AM PST by BigFinn (The King is coming and He isn't riding a donkey this time.)
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To: goodn'mad

“What have we come to?”
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Faith without works is dead?

Many churches build bigger and better and many people who faithfully attend those churches don’t always seem that inviting. Christianity isn’t growing strongly here in the US, at least not as it is in other places where those people really pay a price for their faith.

Maybe we have become lazy, pampered Christians and we don’t show a very inviting picture to those we need to bring to our Lord? We can have perfect faith but if we are not bringing others in, it doesn’t help much? I don’t know but I do agree, God has been missing from the equation.

Maybe if we worked as hard at being fisherman of men as we are at trying to bring in the votes for an election?


4 posted on 11/09/2012 2:15:32 AM PST by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheel barrow)
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To: BigFinn

Agreed. I also like this quote: “America is great because America is good. If America ceases to be good, it will cease to be great.” Alexis de Tocqueville


5 posted on 11/09/2012 2:17:12 AM PST by goodn'mad
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To: goodn'mad

Here is the full quote: I sought for the greatness and genius of America in her commodious harbors and her ample rivers - and it was not there . . . in her fertile fields and boundless forests and it was not there . . . in her rich mines and her vast world commerc - and it was not there . . . in her democratic Congress and her matchless Constitution - and it was not there. Not until I went into the churches of America and heard her pulpits flame with righteousness did I understand the secret of her genius and power. America is great because she is good, and if America ever ceases to be good, she will cease to be great.


6 posted on 11/09/2012 2:21:58 AM PST by goodn'mad
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To: goodn'mad

Absolutely agree with you. The problem is spiritual. The nation has been in open and proud defiance of the Holy God of the Bible. We don’t know His timing but we do know He will not be mocked. We need to be on our knees individually and collectively, in repentance for the sin we have committed against Him. The slaughter of the unborn, the glorification of perverted sex, both in utter defiance of his Word and the teachings of His Son, Jesus Christ. Much more sin, including the idolatry we have for sports, entertainment, etc., things that are fine maybe when kept in perspective, but become idolatrous for us when we invest so much time and attention in them, more than we do into our personal relationships with God Himself. Even we (all of us being sinners) who maybe haven’t been directly involved in a specific abomination such as abortion or homosexuality have been guilty at one time or another of enabling it by our silence, worried more about being popular with man than pleasing to God. (Please do remember, for those who have been involved in such sin, that - as in the case of all we sinners - forgiveness is available through Jesus Christ) Repentance must begin among we believers in Jesus Christ, and it must begin now, beginning with each of us individually. And, we must be open to the leading of God’s Holy Spirit, as to how we be used in the advancement of His Kingdom. I pray for God to help us, for the sake of our children and their families, for our own sake, but moreso, for His Honor and Glory.


7 posted on 11/09/2012 2:29:04 AM PST by line drive to right
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To: goodn'mad

I totally disagree with your statement.

Putting same-sex marriage, abortion on demand and destroying the economy with reckless spending on the same level is misguided. One - reckless spending - must be controlled by rule of law because it affects everyone equally. The other two must be governed by personal preference because they do not affect everyone equally. To give the government incursion into marriage and reproduction is to give it incursion into every aspect of life. That is not constitutional.


8 posted on 11/09/2012 3:16:15 AM PST by gotribe (He's a mack-daddy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AV415yit7Zg)
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To: goodn'mad
We have kicked God, especially JESUS, out of our once fine, moral country, and He has removed His hand of Grace!!

Yes, unless we repent and then CHANGE OUR WAYS, nothing will get better, only worse!

55 MILLION DEAD BABIES aren't enough!! Majority of women today are BLOOD THIRSTY...they want MORE and more DEAD BABIES

The Gays want to finish us off....we are doomed.

9 posted on 11/09/2012 3:20:54 AM PST by Ann Archy ( ABORTION...the HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: gotribe

What was the statement, “No man is an island?” Liberals want to have the force of law behind abortion on demand and same sex marriage. And do you know what, with every election they move the ball closer to it! So we deny this and say as you did, “I don’t want the government involved.” Wake up! They already are involved! Every law the liberals pass and enforce affects you, me, our children...everyone! We don’t live in a vacum. I agree with much of what the libertarians believe but sorry, I have to part company on this.


10 posted on 11/09/2012 3:23:21 AM PST by goodn'mad
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To: goodn'mad

Our problem is we let stupid people vote. Our problem is we let people who have a vested interest in expanding big government vote for more big government. At this point I don’t think the United States is fixable. You can’t put the genie back in the bottle. You can’t take the vote back from the parasite class.

The mistake was giving it to them in the first place. In the beginning you had to have some measure of success, owning property, to vote. The rationale was those who have had some success in the country would vote to protect the country they succeeded in. When we abandoned that policy is when the decline started. In the end the United States will join two thousand years of failed democracies destroyed from within by the unwashed masses voting themselves ever more expensive “bread and circuses”.


11 posted on 11/09/2012 4:44:40 AM PST by MtBaldy (If Obama is the answer, it must have been a really stupid question)
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To: Sporke
Conservatives are killing themselves with the sin of Pride. We know for a FACT that at a minimum of three million people who claim to be Conservative stayed home because they care less about sparing the country four more years of Barry than they care for being able to say, "I told you so".

If Conservatives cared half as much about the country as they do about their own petty arguments FR wouldn't have to be running quarterly donation drives due to there not being a sufficient number of monthly donors. They would recognize how critical working together is and how you can't work together without good information and communications.

Those who really care accept the fact that to get the job done, sometimes you have to salute the bag of chit fate puts in charge even though you know they're a bag of chit.

OK, I've had my little rant, I'll go stand in the corner now and let the finger pointing proceed without me.

12 posted on 11/09/2012 6:56:36 AM PST by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: goodn'mad
I believe this with every fiber in my being. Unless we repent, we will perish. I think America has stepped into the balance and been found wanting. Sorry but I'm too old and tired to even attempt to be politically correct anymore.

While that has always been the case, today moreso than ever. Check out my profile page for more.

'For this people’s heart has grown dull,
and with their ears they can barely hear,
and their eyes they have closed,
lest they should see with their eyes
and hear with their ears
and understand with their heart
and turn, and I would heal them.’
-- Matthew 13:15, cf Isaiah 29:10; Isaiah 44:18

13 posted on 11/09/2012 7:22:29 AM PST by Alex Murphy ("If you are not firm in faith, you will not be firm at all" - Isaiah 7:9)
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To: Rashputin
Conservatives are killing themselves with the sin of Pride. We know for a FACT that at a minimum of three million people who claim to be Conservative stayed home because they care less about sparing the country four more years of Barry than they care for being able to say, "I told you so". If Conservatives cared half as much about the country as they do about their own petty arguments....

.... OK, I've had my little rant, I'll go stand in the corner now and let the finger pointing proceed without me.

LOL Without you?

14 posted on 11/09/2012 7:28:37 AM PST by Alex Murphy ("If you are not firm in faith, you will not be firm at all" - Isaiah 7:9)
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To: goodn'mad
I've lived and worked on both coasts. There is so much self love and love of the world there, I had to retire to God's country - Kansas. What happens in DC doesn't affect us much and when it does, our Governor and legislature fights back!

Where I go to church here, our Rector is Chaplin to the police and our Deacon is the municipal court judge. Every week is a civics lesson or a lesson on how faith and community intersect.

Faith runs deep here -- when the town was laid out, all churches were on the same street a block off Main. The Bible was read in English class at the public school. Everyone knows everyone and charity, goodwill and love to the neighbor is real, but God's Word is being lost on some young people. I can't say I know anyone that would not cherish a baby, no matter how poor they were - they would find a way.

I've been praying for ways that I can be of use in ministry with Bible study and other spiritual programs like our Marriage Ministry Mentoring - aimed at young people who don't have a church.

These are things I can touch and make a difference. Everyone is in pretty much the same boat here, financially. Envy and materialism really doesn't exist. There are wayward souls (my nephews included) that could benefit from knowing the Lord. I've been laying the ground work on social media (Facebook) where a lot of folks are connected.

A friend of mine back east said this morning that the USA is probably the most conservative nation on earth. 35% of the electorate identifies as such. We had exiting speakers at our convention and there were many more that didn't speak -- great faithful folks with great minds. Who spoke for the dems? Carter, Clinton and Fluke? Wasn't even close.

I'd say when we go insolvent as a nation and money loses it's value (a vastation) will we see an abandonment of materialism. For abortion -- move that to the states as same sex marriage is. Shrink federal govt and if a state wants to pick up a program, let them.

15 posted on 11/09/2012 7:38:54 AM PST by DaveMSmith (Evil Comes from Falsity, So Share the Truth)
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To: gotribe

I totally disagree with your statement.


I am not sure in what way you disagree, is it with the idea that you think it is unconstitutional for the government to institute same sex marriage and or abortion or to outlaw the same, because the government is dictating either way.

Regardless of which way the people ( government ) goes on these issues it is still an abomination to God and because God wants to give us all a chance to change our hearts and come to him he is giving us more time than what we deserve.

A man can rob a store at the point of a gun and he will spend years in prison, he can have sex with a 15 year old girl with her permission and spend years in prison for rape, but he can have sex if that is what you call it with as many boys as he wants and get off scot free.

As far as God is concerned homosexuality is far worse than robbing some one at the point of a gun, it is an abomination.


16 posted on 11/09/2012 7:54:10 AM PST by ravenwolf
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To: Rashputin; Jim Robinson
I don't accept that the GOP-e and the MSM have so much influence in our primary cycle. For the last two cycles, we were stuck with RINOs with questionable faith values. Up until almost the end JR was holding fast against Romney.

The nation is headed for insolvency and ya'll have to survive like us peasants do in Kansas - by barter. Ya'll might learn love of the neighbor, then.

17 posted on 11/09/2012 7:57:39 AM PST by DaveMSmith (Evil Comes from Falsity, So Share the Truth)
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To: Rashputin

Guilty as charged. I’m no Republican, because they are no longer Conservative. I offer no apologies for that. I didn’t vote for Romney, but I’m in Texas so it didn’t matter, this time.
If a candidate shares my philosophy, I’ll vote for him/her, but if they don’t, I won’t. Seems fair to me.
As for finger pointing, I’m trying not to do that, because it’s not constructive. They won, America lost. That, is that.
I think the only real solution for Conservatives is to not back down, since we have the only real solution for what ails our country. It’s wrong to offer amnesty to illegals, and if they GOP does that, they MIGHT pick up a few Mexican votes, which will be more than offset by the number of Conservatives that will leave the party. But hey, it’s not my call.
I will try to live a more Godly life and leave my future in his hands, since he calls the shots anyway.


18 posted on 11/09/2012 8:00:05 AM PST by Sporke (USS Iowa BB-61)
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To: Alex Murphy
Mark 10:26 And they were greatly astonished, saying among themselves, "Who then can be saved?" 27 But Jesus looked at them and said, "With men it is impossible, but not with God; for with God all things are possible." 28 Then Peter began to say to Him, "See, we have left all and followed You." 29 So Jesus answered and said, "Assuredly, I say to you, there is no one who has left house or brothers or sisters or father or mother or wife or children or lands, for My sake and the gospel's, 30 who shall not receive a hundredfold now in this time--houses and brothers and sisters and mothers and children and lands, with persecutions--and in the age to come, eternal life. 31But many who are first will be last, and the last first."

Look what we have done for the world in our lifetime: The US has exploited technology to export every mundane job overseas producing employment and competition everywhere - we allowed the entire world to be modernized to our standard. Is that not noble and wonderful?

My professional career was spent programming computers starting in 1979 and I made good money at it -- today, crowd-ware can be bid on worldwide for a fraction of what I would require. This was made a political issue (exporting jobs) but look at the ends - our society is built, cost of goods will always be cheaper with worldwide competition and we can once again have a leisure class of great spiritual thinkers who can share wisdom (first shall be last).

19 posted on 11/09/2012 8:55:00 AM PST by DaveMSmith (Evil Comes from Falsity, So Share the Truth)
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