Skip to comments.Corrupt Politicians Aren't the Problem....Just a Symptom of the Problem
Posted on 11/09/2012 1:54:39 AM PST by goodn'mad
Unless we have a national soul searching, life changing revivial, I'm afraid that our nation is at an end. Right has become wrong and wrong has become right. I don't think we are at the crossroads; we've already passed that with this election. The Lord is our only hope but you know, He always has been. We as a nation just haven't been listening. I'm as guilty as anyone. Regarding the election, Obama and the liberal senators who were just swept into office are not the problem. They are just a symptom of the problem. Our problem is a spiritual sickness and the people we elect are just a symptom of that. When our hearts and minds are right before the Lord, we will no longer elect unrighteous, Godless politicians!!!! Same-sex marriage. Abortion on demand. Destroying the economy with reckless spending. Putting people on the dole just so you can capture their votes. Please? What have we come to?
I would think very few would disagree with your statement. We no longer honor God so he no longer blesses us.
A scripture came to me about this time.
The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, 10 and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, 12 that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
--2 Thess. 2:9-12
“What have we come to?”
Faith without works is dead?
Many churches build bigger and better and many people who faithfully attend those churches don’t always seem that inviting. Christianity isn’t growing strongly here in the US, at least not as it is in other places where those people really pay a price for their faith.
Maybe we have become lazy, pampered Christians and we don’t show a very inviting picture to those we need to bring to our Lord? We can have perfect faith but if we are not bringing others in, it doesn’t help much? I don’t know but I do agree, God has been missing from the equation.
Maybe if we worked as hard at being fisherman of men as we are at trying to bring in the votes for an election?
Agreed. I also like this quote: “America is great because America is good. If America ceases to be good, it will cease to be great.” Alexis de Tocqueville
Here is the full quote: I sought for the greatness and genius of America in her commodious harbors and her ample rivers - and it was not there . . . in her fertile fields and boundless forests and it was not there . . . in her rich mines and her vast world commerc - and it was not there . . . in her democratic Congress and her matchless Constitution - and it was not there. Not until I went into the churches of America and heard her pulpits flame with righteousness did I understand the secret of her genius and power. America is great because she is good, and if America ever ceases to be good, she will cease to be great.
Absolutely agree with you. The problem is spiritual. The nation has been in open and proud defiance of the Holy God of the Bible. We don’t know His timing but we do know He will not be mocked. We need to be on our knees individually and collectively, in repentance for the sin we have committed against Him. The slaughter of the unborn, the glorification of perverted sex, both in utter defiance of his Word and the teachings of His Son, Jesus Christ. Much more sin, including the idolatry we have for sports, entertainment, etc., things that are fine maybe when kept in perspective, but become idolatrous for us when we invest so much time and attention in them, more than we do into our personal relationships with God Himself. Even we (all of us being sinners) who maybe haven’t been directly involved in a specific abomination such as abortion or homosexuality have been guilty at one time or another of enabling it by our silence, worried more about being popular with man than pleasing to God. (Please do remember, for those who have been involved in such sin, that - as in the case of all we sinners - forgiveness is available through Jesus Christ) Repentance must begin among we believers in Jesus Christ, and it must begin now, beginning with each of us individually. And, we must be open to the leading of God’s Holy Spirit, as to how we be used in the advancement of His Kingdom. I pray for God to help us, for the sake of our children and their families, for our own sake, but moreso, for His Honor and Glory.
I totally disagree with your statement.
Putting same-sex marriage, abortion on demand and destroying the economy with reckless spending on the same level is misguided. One - reckless spending - must be controlled by rule of law because it affects everyone equally. The other two must be governed by personal preference because they do not affect everyone equally. To give the government incursion into marriage and reproduction is to give it incursion into every aspect of life. That is not constitutional.
Yes, unless we repent and then CHANGE OUR WAYS, nothing will get better, only worse!
55 MILLION DEAD BABIES aren't enough!! Majority of women today are BLOOD THIRSTY...they want MORE and more DEAD BABIES
The Gays want to finish us off....we are doomed.
What was the statement, “No man is an island?” Liberals want to have the force of law behind abortion on demand and same sex marriage. And do you know what, with every election they move the ball closer to it! So we deny this and say as you did, “I don’t want the government involved.” Wake up! They already are involved! Every law the liberals pass and enforce affects you, me, our children...everyone! We don’t live in a vacum. I agree with much of what the libertarians believe but sorry, I have to part company on this.
Our problem is we let stupid people vote. Our problem is we let people who have a vested interest in expanding big government vote for more big government. At this point I don’t think the United States is fixable. You can’t put the genie back in the bottle. You can’t take the vote back from the parasite class.
The mistake was giving it to them in the first place. In the beginning you had to have some measure of success, owning property, to vote. The rationale was those who have had some success in the country would vote to protect the country they succeeded in. When we abandoned that policy is when the decline started. In the end the United States will join two thousand years of failed democracies destroyed from within by the unwashed masses voting themselves ever more expensive “bread and circuses”.
If Conservatives cared half as much about the country as they do about their own petty arguments FR wouldn't have to be running quarterly donation drives due to there not being a sufficient number of monthly donors. They would recognize how critical working together is and how you can't work together without good information and communications.
Those who really care accept the fact that to get the job done, sometimes you have to salute the bag of chit fate puts in charge even though you know they're a bag of chit.
OK, I've had my little rant, I'll go stand in the corner now and let the finger pointing proceed without me.
While that has always been the case, today moreso than ever. Check out my profile page for more.
'For this peoples heart has grown dull,
and with their ears they can barely hear,
and their eyes they have closed,
lest they should see with their eyes
and hear with their ears
and understand with their heart
and turn, and I would heal them.
-- Matthew 13:15, cf Isaiah 29:10; Isaiah 44:18
.... OK, I've had my little rant, I'll go stand in the corner now and let the finger pointing proceed without me.
LOL Without you?
Where I go to church here, our Rector is Chaplin to the police and our Deacon is the municipal court judge. Every week is a civics lesson or a lesson on how faith and community intersect.
Faith runs deep here -- when the town was laid out, all churches were on the same street a block off Main. The Bible was read in English class at the public school. Everyone knows everyone and charity, goodwill and love to the neighbor is real, but God's Word is being lost on some young people. I can't say I know anyone that would not cherish a baby, no matter how poor they were - they would find a way.
I've been praying for ways that I can be of use in ministry with Bible study and other spiritual programs like our Marriage Ministry Mentoring - aimed at young people who don't have a church.
These are things I can touch and make a difference. Everyone is in pretty much the same boat here, financially. Envy and materialism really doesn't exist. There are wayward souls (my nephews included) that could benefit from knowing the Lord. I've been laying the ground work on social media (Facebook) where a lot of folks are connected.
A friend of mine back east said this morning that the USA is probably the most conservative nation on earth. 35% of the electorate identifies as such. We had exiting speakers at our convention and there were many more that didn't speak -- great faithful folks with great minds. Who spoke for the dems? Carter, Clinton and Fluke? Wasn't even close.
I'd say when we go insolvent as a nation and money loses it's value (a vastation) will we see an abandonment of materialism. For abortion -- move that to the states as same sex marriage is. Shrink federal govt and if a state wants to pick up a program, let them.
I totally disagree with your statement.
Regardless of which way the people ( government ) goes on these issues it is still an abomination to God and because God wants to give us all a chance to change our hearts and come to him he is giving us more time than what we deserve.
A man can rob a store at the point of a gun and he will spend years in prison, he can have sex with a 15 year old girl with her permission and spend years in prison for rape, but he can have sex if that is what you call it with as many boys as he wants and get off scot free.
As far as God is concerned homosexuality is far worse than robbing some one at the point of a gun, it is an abomination.
The nation is headed for insolvency and ya'll have to survive like us peasants do in Kansas - by barter. Ya'll might learn love of the neighbor, then.
Guilty as charged. I’m no Republican, because they are no longer Conservative. I offer no apologies for that. I didn’t vote for Romney, but I’m in Texas so it didn’t matter, this time.
If a candidate shares my philosophy, I’ll vote for him/her, but if they don’t, I won’t. Seems fair to me.
As for finger pointing, I’m trying not to do that, because it’s not constructive. They won, America lost. That, is that.
I think the only real solution for Conservatives is to not back down, since we have the only real solution for what ails our country. It’s wrong to offer amnesty to illegals, and if they GOP does that, they MIGHT pick up a few Mexican votes, which will be more than offset by the number of Conservatives that will leave the party. But hey, it’s not my call.
I will try to live a more Godly life and leave my future in his hands, since he calls the shots anyway.
Look what we have done for the world in our lifetime: The US has exploited technology to export every mundane job overseas producing employment and competition everywhere - we allowed the entire world to be modernized to our standard. Is that not noble and wonderful?
My professional career was spent programming computers starting in 1979 and I made good money at it -- today, crowd-ware can be bid on worldwide for a fraction of what I would require. This was made a political issue (exporting jobs) but look at the ends - our society is built, cost of goods will always be cheaper with worldwide competition and we can once again have a leisure class of great spiritual thinkers who can share wisdom (first shall be last).