Posted on 06/19/2012 10:07:14 AM PDT by Colofornian
Washington- Mitt Romney's Earthly goals seem to mesh nicely with his goals as a high priest in the Mormon church. But why don't we pretend to let the presumptive GOP candidate tell us himself, which he would if he were interested in discussing his religion.
Hello. I’m Mitt Romney. I am a Temple Mormon, a High Priest, and as such I have sworn blood oaths of sacrifice, obedience and consecration to the church and the “Kingdom of God.” My perfect obedience to these laws will allow me to become a god in the next life, the literal father of the peoples of a new and different earth. I am truly a Presidential candidate with an actual, definable god complex. What I say about politics are things I have actually said. What I say about Mormonism is compiled from official Mormon texts and websites.
Since prophets have said I am destined to be your president, it is important to know what I believe.
1. We can fix the economy if we have fewer cops, firefighters and teachers.
2. I made Massachusetts drop from 36th to 47th out of the 50 state in jobs when I was governor. I want to do the same for America.
3. Mormon leaders call our empire the “Kingdom of God.” However, our “God” is an extraterrestrial from Kolob; and the “Zion” to which our spirit-brother-of-Lucifer Jesus Christ will return to reign is Independence, Missouri. Buy land there NOW!
4. When I’m elected, and you try to get insurance with a preexisting condition, you’re screwed.
5. It’s a sin to drink coffee.
6. I love when trees are the "right height."
7. I don’t know what a donut is.
8. We can balance the budget by increasing spending on defense and cutting taxes the wealthy by raising taxes and cutting benefits for the poor and middle class.
9. God has a flesh and blood body. And he’s just one of several Gods.
10. I don’t remember what I said, but I stand by it.
11. The Garden of Eden was in Jackson County, Missouri. It’s STILL a nice place.
12. I will make more jobs. It’s not just because I love job creators, it’s because I love jobs.
13. Obama modeled the Affordable Care Act after what I did in Massachusetts. That means it’s bad.
14. I wear special underwear, like all Mormons. But I’m not allowed to speak of it.
15. God commands against lying. But it’s OK when I lie about what Obama says because he’s a negro and negroes weren’t even human until the 12 Apostles of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints said they were in 1978, which is after Obama was born, so YOU do the math.
16. Gay marriage is wrong. The definition of marriage was set by God as one man to one woman.
17. My great-grandfather had several wives.
18. My great-great grandfather was one of the original Mormon apostles, and HE had 12 wives.
19. I believe we can get health care to act more like a consumer market, and if we do that and we stop making it like a big government-managed utility, we’re going to see better prices, lower costs and better care. It’s happened everywhere we’ve applied consumer-market principles. Like… the oil companies. Have you ever paid LESS for a gallon of gas than you are now?
20. “I believe that states have responsibility to care for people in the way they feel best. It’s important for us, in my view, to make sure that every American has access to good health care. And no, saying that the government should make sure every American has access to good health care while saying that the states have the responsibility to care for people in the way they feel best are NOT mutually exclusive statements.”
21. If your marriage is sealed in the temple, then you will be married forever, in whichever of the three heavens God decides you belong in.
22. Oh, and when you die as a Mormon, you get your own planet and become a God. Really.
23. We were all spirits before we were born and lived with God, who used to be a human but attained Godhood. God sent us to Earth at a time predetermined by him so we could get experiences that we couldn’t possibly get hanging out with God, who is capable of all things, except, of course, for providing us with experiences that we can only get on Earth. Although you WERE worthy to live with God as a spirit BEFORE he sent you to Earth, you have to live on EARTH to PROVE you are worthy to hang out with God forever. See? It’s easy when you stop TRYING to think.
24. The LDS Church teaches that at the end of the world everyone will be resurrected. They also believe that almost everyone will go to heaven, which is divided up into three main levels. Bad people go to the lowest, the Telestial Kingdom (Doctrine and Covenants 76:81-86). Good people, who were not Mormons, will go to the middle level, the Terrestrial Kingdom (D&C 76:71-79). Mormons will go to the highest level, the Celestial Kingdom (D&C 76:50-70). However, only those who merit the highest part of the Celestial Kingdom will have Eternal Life [the ability to live in a marriage relationship and continue to beget children—see D&C 132:20-24, also see Mormons Hope to Become Gods of Their Own Worlds]. All others have immortality [which is defined as the ability to live forever in a single condition, not married and no future children] but do not have Eternal Life. One must be married in the LDS temple and then obey all of the Mormon regulations to get to the highest degree of heaven. The first time a Mormon attends the temple endowment ceremony he/she will be given a new name [usually a Bible name like Peter or Mary or the name of European royalty]. These will supposedly be their names in eternity. The wife must tell her husband her new name, and no one else, as he is supposed to call her up in the resurrection. If he does not call her up she would still resurrect, but not as his wife. When a Mormon returns to the temple, on various occasions, to go through the endowment ceremony, he/she will stand in by proxy for a dead person. For instance, a man may be going through the ritual in behalf of his dead uncle. A new temple name would be assigned to the dead person, which could be Joseph, David, Paul, etc. In the case of a dead woman, a Mormon woman would stand in by proxy for her, and the dead woman would be given a new temple name, like Rachael, Eve, Rebecca, etc.
25. My ultimate goal is not the Presidency. It is, like all Mormons, to become a god and procreate for all eternity. Lotsa boinkin’! Woo hah!
Now, let's enjoy a brief video about how I was flummoxed while trying to identify a tasty-appearing chocolate-covered pastry devices. They look quite delicious, I’m telling ya!
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Presidential conventions
The Democratic Party of the United States uses pledged delegates and superdelegates. A candidate for the Democratic nominee must win a majority of combined delegate votes at the Democratic National Convention.
Pledged delegates are elected or chosen at the state or local level, with the understanding that they will support a particular candidate at the convention. Pledged delegates are however not actually bound to vote for that candidate, thus the candidates are allowed to periodically review the list of delegates and eliminate any of those they feel would not be supportive. Currently there are 3,253 pledged delegates.
Of the 4,047 total Democratic delegates, 794 are superdelegates, which are usually Democratic members of Congress, governors, former Presidents, and other party leaders. They are not required to indicate preference for a candidate.
The Democratic Party uses a proportional representation to determine how many delegates each candidate is awarded in each state. For example, a candidate who wins 40% of a state's vote in the primary election will win 40% of that state's delegates; however, a candidate must win at least 15% of the primary vote in order to receive any delegates. There is no process to win superdelegates, since they can vote for whomever they please. A candidate needs to win a simple majority of total delegates to earn the Democratic nomination.[1]
The Republican Party of the United States utilizes a similar system with slightly different terminology, employing pledged and unpledged delegates. Of the total 2,380 Republican delegates (2,286 in 2012), 1,719 are pledged delegates, who as with the Democratic Party, are elected at the state or local level. To become the Republican Party nominee, the candidate must win a simple majority of 1,191 of the 2,380 total delegates at the Republican National Convention.
A majority of the unpledged delegates are elected much like the pledged delegates, and are likely to be committed to a specific candidate. Many of the other unpledged delegates automatically claim the delegate status either by virtue of their position as a party chair or national party committee person. This group is known as unpledged RNC member delegates.
The process by which delegates are awarded to a candidate will vary from state to state. Many states use a winner-take-all system, where popular vote determines the winning candidate for that state, however, beginning in 2012 many states now use proportional representation. While the Republican National Committee does not require a 15% minimum threshold, individual state parties may impart such a threshold.
The unpledged RNC member delegates are free to vote for any candidate and are not bound by the electoral votes of their state. The majority of the unpledged delegates (those who are elected or chosen) are technically free to vote for any candidate; however they are likely to be committed to one specifically.[1]
Presidential conventions
The Democratic Party of the United States uses pledged delegates and superdelegates. A candidate for the Democratic nominee must win a majority of combined delegate votes at the Democratic National Convention.
Pledged delegates are elected or chosen at the state or local level, with the understanding that they will support a particular candidate at the convention. Pledged delegates are however not actually bound to vote for that candidate, thus the candidates are allowed to periodically review the list of delegates and eliminate any of those they feel would not be supportive. Currently there are 3,253 pledged delegates.
Of the 4,047 total Democratic delegates, 794 are superdelegates, which are usually Democratic members of Congress, governors, former Presidents, and other party leaders. They are not required to indicate preference for a candidate.
The Democratic Party uses a proportional representation to determine how many delegates each candidate is awarded in each state. For example, a candidate who wins 40% of a state's vote in the primary election will win 40% of that state's delegates; however, a candidate must win at least 15% of the primary vote in order to receive any delegates. There is no process to win superdelegates, since they can vote for whomever they please. A candidate needs to win a simple majority of total delegates to earn the Democratic nomination.[1]
The Republican Party of the United States utilizes a similar system with slightly different terminology, employing pledged and unpledged delegates. Of the total 2,380 Republican delegates (2,286 in 2012), 1,719 are pledged delegates, who as with the Democratic Party, are elected at the state or local level. To become the Republican Party nominee, the candidate must win a simple majority of 1,191 of the 2,380 total delegates at the Republican National Convention.
A majority of the unpledged delegates are elected much like the pledged delegates, and are likely to be committed to a specific candidate. Many of the other unpledged delegates automatically claim the delegate status either by virtue of their position as a party chair or national party committee person. This group is known as unpledged RNC member delegates.
The process by which delegates are awarded to a candidate will vary from state to state. Many states use a winner-take-all system, where popular vote determines the winning candidate for that state, however, beginning in 2012 many states now use proportional representation. While the Republican National Committee does not require a 15% minimum threshold, individual state parties may impart such a threshold.
The unpledged RNC member delegates are free to vote for any candidate and are not bound by the electoral votes of their state. The majority of the unpledged delegates (those who are elected or chosen) are technically free to vote for any candidate; however they are likely to be committed to one specifically.[1]
Those mormon doctrines always remind ne of the time we went to church next to a mormon religious building...
The mormons would have their children lined along the fence and the kids would scream ugly hateful things to the Christian children as we came in from the parking lot...
They would yell “Youre going to Hell because youre not a mormon” and other evil things...
The adult mormons would be back near the building and call suggestions to their children and encourage them and giggle like hyhenas...
My little daughter was 2 years old and would scream in fright from the sound of their voices...
That always “delighted” the nasty parents and they lapped that up and would address my little daughter personally...
When our pastor went over to talk to the bishop (like Willard is a bishop) the mormon bishop used four letter words at him...
The bigotted torment from the mormons never stopped while we were going there...
“nice” mormon neighbors...
Mitt Romney may aspire to be a god by and by. This is an improvement upon the incumbent, who thinks he already is one.
I am reminded of this incident I was told about by a team chaplain from a major university football powerhouse about the experience of one of the young players on the team. The player was flagged for a late hit on the BYU sideline. He was immediately surrounded by a bunch of BYU players and coaches who expressed their displeasure. When this young Christian talked to the chaplain a few days later, he expressed some confusion about the incident saying 'I thought Mormons were supposed to be Christians? You couldn't believe the foul language they used.' The chaplain soft-peddled it by saying 'Well, they're just young men.' The player corrected him and told the worst language was from the BYU coaches.
BTW the chaplain said he later taught the young man about the false beliefs of Mormonism.
So which of the 100 or so extant sects of Mormonism is the standard for interpreting the Standard Works? Surely, it must be one of those groups who hold to D&C 132:4, right? Unless, of course, an everlasting covenant only lasts for a little while.
Prove it.
Don't just engage in belittling a President of the United States minus proof.
Prove it.
Now, I think we can call agree...
That Democrats generally either don't acknowledge God at all...or if they ever do, they tend to treat him as a functional deist. (A God who's not involved in day-to-day affairs)
Which, of course, then means that the Dems tend to substitute govt -- both the executive and judicial branches -- as the highest ceilings of power, authority, and aid.
So in this way, we can all agree that they tend to raise govt. to the status of "godhood."
But I take it by your posts that you each mean more than that. More like Obama sees himself in a sort of divine personality cult.
Now I don't rule this out; it just doesn't make sense from what we hear from the bulk of FREEPERs.
For example, if you've ever claimed Obama is a closet (or other kind) of Muslim, then you've just contradicted yourself.
I would say it's probably been in the 4-figures the number of FREEPERS who have labeled Obama a "Muslim" of some sort these past 5.5 years.
Your posts on this thread wind up directly contradicting these other FREEPERs. Why is that?
Because of ALL the world religions, the one that can't stand the thought of another god is Islam. It's radical monotheism.
Therefore, if Barry considers himself a Muslim, being a god would be the last thing he thought he was.
So, which is it: Is Barry a closet Muslim who considers that there's only a single god in the universe? Or does he deem himself a fellow "god" -- and therefore isn't a Muslim at all?
And if it's the latter, I expect you from now on to start challenging all these FR claims that Barry's a Muslim. Because these two worldviews cannot co-exist. They are contradictory.
And I then thought to myself, "Well, I don't really expect any of these four to start challenging other FREEPERs who believe Barry is a Muslim."
Why is that?
Because I don't think you really think that strong enough that Barry thinks he's a real god on the level of THE god.
If I had to guess the "depth or surface" level of your statements that Obama thinks he's already a god, I think it amounted to a spur-of-the-moment "cutesy" thing to say so that you -- or other Romney voters -- don't have to really deal with the reality that Romney and other temple Mormons really embrace godhood for themselves.
IOW, you each exercised some temporary deflection -- and basically wound up engaging in apologetics on behalf of Mormonism.
Apologists for Mormonism. Imagine that. (I'll betcha you each never thought you'd be doing that, did you?)
Now maybe for one of your four -- you really do think Obama considers himself a "god"...
Do me a favor and stop posting to me. I made a simple joke and have no desire to be drawn into religious debates on FR. I’ve seen enough of your posting history to know that you are quite involved in exposing Mormonism as a cult, and frankly, I have no argument with you.
But I refuse to be drawn into it.
The one and only thing I’ll comment on is a critique of logic — your question poses a false dichotomy in that it is perfectly possible for Obama to be a Muslim by the rules of Muslim birthright inheritance without being a practicing Muslim, and therefore quite capable of having a god complex without violating a separate religious faith.
Whether I believe any of that is irrelevant, it’s just a commentary on a logical fallacy.
THX 1138
That's GOOD!
Almost on the order of: How many UNCLEAN animals did Moses take on the Ark?
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Likewise...
Lots of our MORMON FRiends have hit upon the same theme in this thread: That Mitt does NOT think he'll be a god someday.
They ignore the LDS scripture (that Mitt evidently believes in; fervently) that SHOWS otherwise. [#76]
Are you COMPELLED to respond?
I've learned to IGNORE the replies that I do not wish to respond to; while the MORMONs have it down to a fine art!
The Roman Catholic Church considers the Protestant denominations to be heretical and considers the Eastern Orthodox divided from them. The Eastern Orthodox considers both the Catholic Church and the Protestant denominations to be heretical. I guess that about covers all of us.
ALL: (He said, having posted twice on this thread -- located on a religious thread)
I browse articles via this address: http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/*/index — it doesn’t filter out by topic type, so if the headline doesn’t specifically mention it as a religion subforum topic, I probably won’t (and in this case, didn’t) notice.
Feel free to carry on with the discussion, just stop pinging me to it.
You didn’t answer CC’s question...
Which of the 100+ sects of mormonism gets to determine heretical doctrine?
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