Posted on 12/29/2011 3:10:05 PM PST by Colofornian
U.S. Republican presidential candidate and former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney speaks during a town hall meeting at the Missouri Valley Steel in Sioux City, Iowa December 16, 2011.
Pastor Steven Andrew, president of USA Christian Ministries, is calling out Franklin Graham and telling him to repent after Graham said that it is acceptable for a Christian to vote for a Mormon.
“Graham is misleading Christians to vote against Scripture for Mormon Mitt Romney,” Andrew said in a statement...
In a recent interview with the Christian Broadcasting Network, Graham said that Mitt Romney's Mormon faith “doesn't bother me at all,” and said voters should elect a president based on the candidates' qualifications for the job, first and foremost.
In the interview, Graham called the 2012 election “the most critical election of my lifetime” and said, “You can have the nicest guy and he can be a Christian and just wonderful but have absolutely no clue as to how to run a country, you don’t want that.”
He also said that Christians need to pray for leaders in the U.S., and that we need people “who will put God's standards above everything else and who will take us back to the God of our fathers.”
But Andrew says Mormonism, the common name for the beliefs of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, is a cult, and as such a Mormon cannot lead the nation in a godly way.
"Mormonism is secretive, recognizes none others and adds to the Bible. We can't have a president missing a true relationship with God. Do we want God to bless America?" Andrew asked. Andrew is also calling on church leaders like Pat Robertson and Joel Osteen to repent for similar statements.
"We don't want Franklin to stop standing for righteousness...We respect Franklin..."
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I like Franklin Graham, but I am with the pastor on this one. A Christian should never vote for a Mormon. Worldview matters.
Regarding Romney, I don’t LIKE him because of his politics, but I don’t TRUST him because he is Mormon.
Yes, and the Mormons also helped with $ & manpower during a similar ballot proposal in CA (year 2000).
I was impressed by both of those.
But one state out of 50 where the Mormons formally came on board only twice is no public campaign by the Church.
In fact, those positive efforts were quickly "balanced" the other way when the Lds church took up homosexual rights in Salt Lake City in 2009:
Mormon church supports Salt Lake City's protections for gay rights and Mormons Back Salt Lake City Gay Rights Laws
What threads like these show all those FREEPERS who keep saying how "aligned" we are with Mormons re: "common values"; yet the Mormon church can be liberal when it wants to...and it's been awfully convenient for that to happen more and more the last few years.
Too many FREEPERS somehow think that Romney's wishy-washiness is "unconnected" to his faith. Well, the Mormon leadership has shown it can be morally wishy-washy whenever it's "convenient."
It was "convenient" for the Mormon church leadership to pass homosexual rights for Salt Lake City 'cause they were coming off of what the MSM regarded "negative" media play re: Prop 8 in CA.
It was "convenient" for their missionary program to support aspects of immigrants being here illegally.
And, at times, it's been "convenient" for daughters of Mormon leaders and others to get abortions -- hence, the numerous "exceptions" Mormons have to their policy on abortion...including the ludicrous one that if the Mormon gods agree to it thru an answer in prayer, it's "A-OK" to dismember your pre-born.
Certainly, it's been "convenient" for them to have a Harry Reid in Congress "watch out" for Mormon church interests. (Hence, why not invite Reid to the BYU campus to speak to all of its students & faculty?)
Historically, it was "convenient" for the Mormon god to change his mind about skin color...even if he didn't change Mormon racist "sacred book" passages depicting open racism. And it was "convenient" for the Mormon church to slowly rid itself of open polygamy because their church was threatened, their menfolk were in jail, and they wanted statehood. Even then, it was "convenient" for their original leader, Joseph Smith, to engage in sex with many women even though his own penned Book of Mormon called polygamy an "abomination."
If Franklin Graham is anything like his old man he’s a big time democrat, so why would he even be talking about republicans?
Billy Graham said last election that Hillary Clinton would make a good president, and I’m sure his son feels the same way.
Take anything Graham says with a grain of salt.
I used to be Mormon
Don’t some of these high profile Christian leaders have a clue about Mormonism and what it teaches?
Well, speaking of Muslims, was it "bigoted" of Romney to say in the previous election cycle that he wouldn't put a Muslim in his cabinet if elected?
Remember when Romney said he wouldn’t put a Muslim in the cabinet? He made his Mormonism relevant
Why do the FReeper "bigot police" deem it "bigoted" to consider a candidate's other-worldly worldviews and character re: our voting, but when Romney automatically excludes Muslims from the Cabinet ... or when 94% of Mormons in Utah and Nevada won't vote for a non-Mormon POTUS candidate...why the silence?
What FREEPERS like Heiss tell us with his posts is that he wouldn't dare consider a Jihadist's religious views in his voting for POTUS...were a Muslim to run in the future.
(That would be "bigoted")
Apparently not.
Even politically...'tis a huge concern:
| Lds Leader | Chronological 'Prophet' or Fundamental # (or Other Title) | Overlap Areas: Could the President of the U.S. become a 'puppet' to an Lds 'Prophet?' (The Lds Prophets -- in their own words) | |
| John Taylor | Lds 'Prophet' #3 | “The Almighty has established this kingdom with order and laws and every thing pertaining thereto…[so] that when the nations shall be convulsed, we may stand forth as saviours…and finally redeem a ruined world, not only in a religious but in a political point of view.” (Journal of Discourses, vol. 9, p. 342, April 13, 1862) | |
| Orson Hyde | President of the Lds Quorum of the 12 Apostles for 28 years (1847-1875) | “What the world calls ‘Mormonism’ will rule every nation...God has decreed it, and his own right arm will accomplish it. This will make the heathen rage.” (Journal of Discourses, vol. 7, p. 53) | |
| Heber J. Grant | Lds 'Prophet' #7 | "Elder Marion G. Romney recalled the counsel of President Heber J. Grant: 'My boy, you always keep your eye on the President of the Church, and if he ever tells you to do anything, and it is wrong, and you do it, the Lord will bless you for it.' Then with a twinkle in his eye, he said, 'But you don't need to worry. The Lord will never let his mouthpiece lead the people astray'" (in Conference Report, Oct. 1960, p. 78)." Cited in Official Lds publication Search the Commandments: Melchizedek Priesthood Personal Study Guide, p. 209 (1984) | |
| Harold B. Lee | Lds 'Prophet' #11 | ...President Harold B. Lee said: 'We must learn to give heed to the words and commandments that the Lord shall give through his prophet, '...as if from mine own mouth...(D&C 21:4-5)...You may not like what comes from the authority of the Church. It may contradict your political views. It may contradict your social views. It may interfere with some of your social life. But if you listen to these things, as if from the mouth of the Lord himself..." Cited in official Lds publication Remember Me: Relief Society Personal Study Guide I, p. 27 (1989) | |
| Spencer Kimball | Lds 'Prophet' #12 | "President Spencer W. Kimball said: '...We deal with many things which are thought to be not so spiritual; but all things are spiritual with the Lord, and he expects us to listen, and to obey..." (In Conference Report, Apr. 1977, p. 8; or Ensign, May 1977, p. 7) Cited in official Lds publication Come, Follow Me: Melchizedek Priesthood Personal Study Guide 1983, p.12 (1983) | |
| What about Marion G. Romney, cousin to Mitt's father? | Who was he in Lds hierarchy? (Title: 'President' - Top 3 of church as 2nd counselor to both #11 & #12 Lds 'prophets') | "Elder Neal A. Maxwell has said: 'Following the living prophets is something that must be done in all seasons and circumstances. We must be like President Marion G. Romney, who humbly said, '..I have never hesitated to follow the counsel of the Authorities of the Church even though it crossed my social, professional, and political life' (Conference Report, April 1941, p. 123). There are, or will be moments when prophetic declarations collide with our pride or our seeming personal interests...Do I believe in the living prophet even when he speaks on matters affecting me and my specialty directly? Or do I stop sustaining the prophet when his words fall in my territory? if the latter, the prophet is without honor in our country! (Things As They Really Are, p. 73). Cited in official Lds publication, Search the Commandments: Melchizedek Priesthood Personal Study Guide, pp. 275-276 (1984) | |
| Ezra Taft Benson | Lds 'Prophet' #13 | Benson speech given 2/26/80 @BYU. Summary: “…remember, if there is ever a conflict between earthly knowledge and the words of the prophet, you stand with the prophet…” (See excerpts re: 3 of 14 'fundamentals' below) Source: Fourteen Fundamentals in Following the Prophet | |
| Benson (cont'd) | Fundamental #5 | 5. The prophet is not required to have any particular earthly training or credentials to speak on any subject or act on any matter at any time. (My Q: Ya hear that Mitt Romney? Ya hear that Jon Huntsman?) | |
| Benson (cont'd) | Fundamental #9 | 9. The prophet can receive revelation on any matter, temporal or spiritual. (My Q: Still listening, Mitt? Still listening, Jon?) | |
| Benson (cont'd) | Fundamental #10 | 10. The prophet may advise on civic matters. (My Q: What say ye Mitt? What say ye Jon?) | |
| Mitt Romney as POTUS??? | Aside from above prophetic impositions, why would Mitt not only honor what these 'prophets' have spoken, but what a future Lds 'prophet' may tell him to do? | The Law of Consecration Oath Mitt Romney has sworn in the Mormon temple (done before marriage/sealing in temple): "You and each of you covenant and promise before God, angels, and these witnesses at this altar, that you do accept the law of consecration as contained in this, the book of Doctrine and Covenants [he displays the book], in that you do consecrate yourselves, your time, talents, and EVERYTHING with which the Lord has blessed you, or WITH which he MAY bless you, to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, for the building up of the kingdom of God on the earth and for the establishment of Zion." Source: What is an LDS Church/Mormon temple marriage/sealing? [Q: Please define 'Zion': The LDS PR Web site (lds.org) defines its primary meaning: "membership in the [LDS] church."] |
Those are they who believe that Jesus will Absolutely NON-scriptual !!! seems to be a Dominionist.
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
not come back until they rule the world.
I am no supporter of Mormans, and although they are not Christians because they do not believe in the Trinity and their church doctrine is not Biblical, they do have Church teachings that Willard the liberal ignored for the majority of his leftwing life. The Morman CHurch is 100% against homosexual marriage, and we all know what Willard the liberal did in Mass. He supported and gave the state homosexual marriage. He ordered state clerks to issue marriage licenses to homosexuals who wanted to get
“married”. Santorum called him out on it, and told the absolute truth about Willard the liberal and homosexual marriage, and of course Willard said he dind’t know Mass state law and blah, blah, blah. Willard was given a free pass. Santorum or no one else on stage mentioned it again and the Willard the liberal loving media has not mentioned it again. And that includes Faux News.
The Morman Church is also against aborting children, something Willard the liberal believed in the majority of his life and probably still does.
If you ask me Willard the liberal should have been excommunited from his Church for openly mocking his faith for 40 odd years.
Many of the founding fathers were deists, theistic rationalists, or something other than what we would recognize today as technically Christian. I think we are all better off that these people were the leaders they turned out to be - and that your view of what qualifies one to lead did not apply.
I vote for the most politically conservative people that can actually win elections. I really don’t care much what religion they are - so long as they are skilled at promoting the issues I care about. I will admit to being distrustful of a person that doesn’t believe in a higher power at all, but even then I would not disqualify them automatically.
I am not a Mormon, and I would agree that technically Mormons probably aren’t technically Christian. I’m also not an authority on the subject and I don’t really care all that much anyway. All the Mormons I know are hard working, traditional, family people. Good folks in my opinion, and the country could use more of them. There is a reason the CIA, FBI, NSA, etc, hire so many Mormons - you can trust them, you can’t easily blackmail them and they are patriotic people that love their country.
The problem with Romney is that he isn’t particularly conservative, not that he is Mormon.
Many of them are merely touchy-feely politically correct to attract a crowd.
From my reply posted earlier today:
I'm about to leave my church where I've been a member, trustee and adult Sunday School teacher for many years. The Pastor (Baptist) who is outspoken politically from the pulpit and whom I've always thought to be "conservative", has stated that if Romney is the nominee, he will vote for him.
After that little message, I thanked him for the warning and let him know that if and when he started pushing Romney from the pulpit, that I'd be church shopping because I'm not going to sit there and listen to him campaign for Romney from the pulpit, where no rebuttals are allowed.
I also am friends with a lot of other members who feel that Romney is the absolute worse choice possible and would never vote for him in the primary or the general. They haven't told me they'd go "church shopping" as I'm committed to doing but I know people will find it sickening to have to listen to that from the pulpit and keep their mouths shut.
Probably so. I don't get what all the Mormon bashing is about. Politically speaking, they are a reliably Republican voting block. What is the point of folks attacking and alienating traditional minded, conservative people who are a giant net benefit for the country? While I am not a Mormon and obviously don't share the same religious views, I have nothing but positive things to say about them overall.
they do have Church teachings that Willard the liberal ignored for the majority of his leftwing life. The Morman CHurch is 100% against homosexual marriage,
The Morman Church is also against aborting children, something Willard the liberal believed in the majority of his life and probably still does.
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Actually, Mitt is perfectly in alignment with his LDS faith. He is a ‘worthy’ Temple Mormon (one of about 15%), he doesn’t ignore Church teachings at all.
Also, the LDS isn’t as against abortion as they claim. Abortion is allowed as long as you ‘pray about it’, in any case (I can give you the source).
Regarding gay rights, LDS inc has also folded on that, supporting gay rights in SLC and even recently gave an openly gay man a stake (think diocese) position in the Church. Colofornian has posted links to the news articles before or I can post them again.
LDS PR says one thing, but that is not reality in the Mormon church...I found out the hard way. Rather than Mitt being in danger of excommunication, he is likely a candidate to become one of the “General Authorities” (top 100 leaders in the world), regardless if he wins the race or not.
They will be glad to know their propaganda machine is working so nicely on you.
I would have agreed with you until I became one of them and moved to Utah. Reality is far different than public perception. One of their mottos is ‘Never do anything to make “THE CHURCH” look bad’.
I guess this idiot Pastor needs to read the Constitution.. Especially Article 6 of the Constitution... In this country the Constitution overrides the bible as the law of the land..
Wow. I am sorry that that happened. I really don’t get why so called Christians are just compromising their faith and views for Romney of all people! My faith is more important than politics and I cannot in good conscience vote for a man who believes what he does, ever. Worldview and faith matters because it will affect how they run this country.
So a Christian should only vote for a Christian, a Mormon should only vote for Mormon, a Muslim should only vote for a Muslim, a Buddhist should only vote for a Buddhist, a Hindu should only vote for a Hindu, etc? Do you really think political party's should be organized around religion? Isn't that what we criticize Islamic countries for?
Given a choice, should a Christian vote for a conservative Buddhist or a liberal Christian? Are you saying there is no place in the United States for elected conservatives of other religions besides Christianity - or is all your ire focused only on Mormons?
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