Franklin Graham Should Repent on Mormon Voting Issue, Pastor Says

Christliche-radiosender.com ^ | Dec. 21, 2011

[KevinDavis]

The last time we elected a Good Christian was Jimmy Carter a former Southern Baptist.. Sorry religion does not matter to me. In fact I’m going to use the idiot logic here.. I won’t vote for a person who is a Southern Baptist..

[Osage Orange]

If you vote for the best man at the time of the election, and he happens to go to a different church than you — still he is a church-going man, still he is a man who seeks to better himself.

So...the logical questions to your statement would be.

Will you be voting for a man or woman that goes to the church of Islam?

Will you be voting for a man or woman that goes to the church of Scientology?

What about the Jehovah's Witnesses

The church of Satan?

Let's say for argument...they all were church going folk...and seeking to better themselves.

Are you sure that's part of your criteria?

[Winstons Julia]

No. I’m not a mormon...

[Osage Orange]

You have free speech to call those you disagree with, "bigots".

Fair enough.....

But I think you are wrong.

[Osage Orange]

I'd even vote for a Native American who still believed in..well...whatever it is they believe over a liberal Christian

LOL!!

You think Native Americans don't know the Creator?

Frankly, I think many American Indian tribes....had a better grasp of "this life is, finite...and precious". But also had a definitive drive to thrive. Live life...to it's fullest. And protect those things they loved...and held sacred.

But that's just me........

[Colofornian]

Well, I thought when we began this discussion that you believed we should not vote for a Mormon for President.

Well, that is indeed my personal conviction.

But #1...No Mormon is disqualified -- nor should be -- from running for POTUS;
And #2, I don't impose my personal conviction upon others; though I expose that conviction to others.

I mean, c'mon. Let's just remove the "Mormon" status for a moment.

Can you imagine any POTUS candidate telling you they believe they are a "god in embryo" and they will join the ranks of the godhood crowd? What? Would you seriously not consider that "revelation" amongst things like voting record, candidate viability, and OTHER character considerations?

[Ransomed]

Seems reasonable to me to use faith as a determinate when voting, if that is what one wants to do. They would have to be much, much closer politically for that to start to make a difference to me.

I guess this also applies to pastor Jeffress, who said he would also vote for Romney vs Obama if he unfortunately gets the nom.

“God cannot bless us for betraying Jesus and voting for a non-Christian. No one comes to God except through Jesus – this includes the USA.”

What would Pastor Andrew do if a pro-death Catholic or Baptist was running against a pro-life LDS? Or a conservative Hindu was running against a rino Christian?

Freegards

[Elsie]

If you vote for the best man at the time of the election, and he happens to go to a different church than you — still he is a church-going man, still he is a man who seeks to better himself.

Allah thanks you.

[Elsie]

It is amazing that we still see open religious hatred tolerated here

Yup...

Any MORMONs reading this:

Do you ACCEPT or REJECT the following statements from your leaders?

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Questions put to Joseph Smith: "'Do you believe the Bible?' [Smith:]'If we do, we are the only people under heaven that does, for there are none of the religious sects of the day that do'. When asked 'Will everybody be damned, but Mormons'? [Smith replied] 'Yes, and a great portion of them, unless they repent, and work righteousness." (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 119).

Joseph Smith: "for the teachers of religion of the different sects understood the same passages of scripture so differently as to destroy all confidence in settling the question by an appeal to the Bible" (from Pearl of Great Price 1:12). "What is it that inspires professors of Christianity generally with a hope of salvation? It is that smooth, sophisticated influence of the devil, by which he deceives the whole world" (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p.270).

 

 

 

Brigham Young stated this repeatedly: "When the light came to me I saw that all the so-called Christian world was grovelling in darkness" (Journal of Discourses 5:73); "The Christian world, so-called, are heathens as to the knowledge of the salvation of God" (Journal of Discourses 8:171); "With a regard to true theology, a more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian world" (Journal of Discourses 8:199); "And who is there that acknowledges [God's] hand? ...You may wander east, west, north, and south, and you cannot find it in any church or government on the earth, except the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.24); "Should you ask why we differ from other Christians, as they are called, it is simply because they are not Christians as the New Testament defines Christianity" (Journal of Discourses 10:230).

 

 

 

Orson Pratt proclaimed: "Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the 'whore of Babylon' whom the Lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness. Any person who shall be so corrupt as to receive a holy ordinance of the Gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent" (The Seer, p. 255).

 

 

 

Orson Pratt also said: "This great apostasy commenced about the close of the first century of the Christian era, and it has been waxing worse and worse from then until now" (Journal of Discourses

, vol.18, p.44) and: "But as there has been no Christian Church on the earth for a great many centuries past, until the present century, the people have lost sight of the pattern that God has given according to which the Christian Church should be established, and they have denominated a great variety of people Christian Churches, because they profess to be ...But there has been a long apostasy, during which the nations have been cursed with apostate churches in great abundance" (Journal of Discourses , 18:172).

 

 

President John Taylor stated: "Christianity...is a perfect pack of nonsense...the devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century." (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.167); "Where shall we look for the true order or authority of God? It cannot be found in any nation of Christendom." (Journal of Discourses , 10:127).

 

 

 

James Talmage said: "A self-suggesting interpretation of history indicates that there has been a great departure from the way of salvation as laid down by the Savior, a universal apostasy from the Church of Christ". (A Study of the Articles of Faith, p.182).

 

 

 

President Joseph Fielding Smith said: "Doctrines were corrupted, authority lost, and a false order of religion took the place of the gospel of Jesus Christ, just as it had been the case in former dispensations, and the people were left in spiritual darkness." (Doctrines of Salvation, p.266). "For hundreds of years the world was wrapped in a veil of spiritual darkness, until there was not one fundamental truth belonging to the place of salvation ...Joseph Smith declared that in the year 1820 the Lord revealed to him that all the 'Christian' churches were in error, teaching for commandments the doctrines of men" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 3, p.282).

 

 

 

More recent statements by apostle Bruce McConkie are also very clear: "Apostasy was universal...And this darkness still prevails except among those who have come to a knowledge of the restored gospel" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol 3, p.265); "Thus the signs of the times include the prevailing apostate darkness in the sects of Christendom and in the religious world in general" (The Millennial Messiah, p.403); "a perverted Christianity holds sway among the so-called Christians of apostate Christendom" (Mormon Doctrine, p.132); "virtually all the millions of apostate Christendom have abased themselves before the mythical throne of a mythical Christ whom they vainly suppose to be a spirit essence who is incorporeal uncreated, immaterial and three-in-one with the Father and Holy Spirit" (Mormon Doctrine, p.269); "Gnosticism is one of the great pagan philosophies which antedated Christ and the Christian Era and which was later commingled with pure Christianity to form the apostate religion that has prevailed in the world since the early days of that era." (Mormon Doctrine, p.316).

 

 

 

President George Q. Cannon said: "After the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was organized, there were only two churches upon the earth. They were known respectively as the Church of the Lamb of God and Babylon. The various organizations which are called churches throughout Christendom, though differing in their creeds and organizations, have one common origin. They all belong to Babylon" (Gospel Truth, p.324).

 

 

President Wilford Woodruff stated: "the Gospel of modern Christendom shuts up the Lord, and stops all communication with Him. I want nothing to do with such a Gospel, I would rather prefer the Gospel of the dark ages, so called" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 2, p.196).

[Elsie]

Any MORMONs STILL reading after the above:

Has the leadership of the religious corporation, known as The CHURCH of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints; based in Salt Lake City, EVER denounced the above as being HATEFUL or BIGOTTED?

[Elsie]

It appears the purpose of this stupid thread is to post mormon spam.

Let me fix some of that by posting Mormon SCRIPTURE:

Here is MORMONism's own creed:

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Articles of Faith

The Articles of Faith outline 13 basic points of belief of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
The Prophet Joseph Smith first wrote them in a letter to John Wentworth, a newspaper editor,
in response to Mr. Wentworth's request to know what members of the Church believed.
They were subsequently published in Church periodicals.
They are now regarded as scripture and included in the Pearl of Great Price.

 

THE ARTICLES OF FAITH
OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS
History of the Church, Vol. 4, pp. 535—541

 

 

1. We believe in God, the Eternal Father, and in His Son, Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost.
   
2. We believe that men will be punished for their own sins, and not for Adam's transgression.
   
3. We believe that through the Atonement of Christ, all mankind may be saved, by obedience to the laws and ordinances of the Gospel.
   
4. We believe that the first principles and ordinances of the Gospel are: first, Faith in the Lord Jesus Christ; second, Repentance; third, Baptism by immersion for the remission of sins; fourth, Laying on of hands for the gift of the Holy Ghost.
   
5. We believe that a man must be called of God, by prophecy, and by the laying on of hands by those who are in authority, to preach the Gospel and administer in the ordinances thereof.
   
6. We believe in the same organization that existed in the Primitive Church, namely, apostles, prophets, pastors, teachers, evangelists, and so forth.
   
7. We believe in the gift of tongues, prophecy, revelation, visions, healing, interpretation of tongues, and so forth.
   
8. We believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly; we also believe the Book of Mormon to be the word of God.
   
9. We believe all that God has revealed, all that He does now reveal, and we believe that He will yet reveal many great and important things pertaining to the Kingdom of God.
   
10. We believe in the literal gathering of Israel and in the restoration of the Ten Tribes; that Zion (the New Jerusalem) will be built upon the American continent; that Christ will reign personally upon the earth; and, that the earth will be renewed and receive its paradisiacal glory.
    
11. We claim the privilege of worshiping Almighty God according to the dictates of our own conscience, and allow all men the same privilege, let them worship how, where, or what they may.
    
12. We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law.
    
13. We believe in being honest, true, chaste, benevolent, virtuous, and in doing good to all men; indeed, we may say that we follow the admonition of Paul—We believe all things, we hope all things, we have endured many things, and hope to be able to endure all things. If there is anything virtuous, lovely, or of good report or praiseworthy, we seek after these things.

Joseph Smith

 

[Elsie]

In fact, those positive efforts were quickly "balanced" the other way when the Lds church took up homosexual rights in Salt Lake City in 2009:

I'm a MORMON ...

 

 

 

http://www.affirmation.org/

[Elsie]

Billy Graham said last election that Hillary Clinton would make a good president, and I’m sure his son feels the same way.

Anyone here think that Hillary would be a better President than Obama?

[Elsie]

Ezra Taft Benson

Ezra Taft Benson (August 4, 1899 – May 30, 1994) was the thirteenth president of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS Church) from 1985 until his death and was United States Secretary of Agriculture for both terms of the presidency of Dwight D. Eisenhower.
 

In 1953, Benson was appointed U.S. Secretary of Agriculture by President Eisenhower. Benson accepted this position with the permission of Church President David O. McKay and therefore served simultaneously in the United States Cabinet and in the LDS Church's Quorum of the Twelve Apostles.

 

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ezra_Taft_Benson

[Elsie]

There is a reason the CIA, FBI, NSA, etc, hire so many Mormons - you can trust them, you can’t easily blackmail them and they are patriotic people that love their country.

Dang!

You got the message from SLC, too!

(Google® UTAH white collar crime)

[Elsie]

There is a reason the CIA, FBI, NSA, etc, hire so many Mormons - you can trust them, you can’t easily blackmail them and they are patriotic people that love their country.

Regarding the military draft, Romney had initially gotten a student deferment,

then like most other Mormon missionaries had received a ministerial deferment while in France,

then got another student deferment.^[25][34]

 

When those ran out, his high number in the December 1969 draft lottery (300) meant he would not be selected.^{[13][25][34][35]}

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitt_Romney

 

 

 

[Longbow1969]

Can you imagine any POTUS candidate telling you they believe they are a "god in embryo" and they will join the ranks of the godhood crowd? What? Would you seriously not consider that "revelation" amongst things like voting record, candidate viability, and OTHER character considerations?

LOL, I get your point on that. Still, I think when it comes to religion we are talking about faith which we can not necessarily prove scientifically. I mean, a lot of non believers love to make fun of Christians for believing in things like Noah's Ark. Can I explain to them exactly how that all worked out? No. Does the fact that I can not scientifically explain everything in the Bible change my faith? Nope. It's called faith for a reason.

I just think that the basic values Mormon's hold are acceptable enough to hold high office. I also think the basic values of Westernized people of many/most faiths can be sufficient to hold high office as well. Faith does matter to some extent. For example, I'd vote for a politically conservative modernist Muslim over a liberal Christian. I would not vote for a politically conservative fundamentalist Muslim who wanted to institute Sharia law over a liberal Christian. In that case their faith would guide their policies in areas I oppose. The presidency is a job. We are casting votes to hire the best candidate to fill the slot. None are perfect. Religious faith matters, but so long as that faith guides them in such a way to cause them to promote the politically conservative views I hold, then I don't particularly care much what that faith is.

I am looking for a political conservative that can win and can lead. If Romney were a solid conservative I'd be happy to support him. Unfortunately, he is not so I don't support him.

[Elsie]

I don't get what all the Mormon bashing is about.

MORMONism is a heresy.

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Romans 15:4
 For everything that was written in the past was written to teach us, so that through endurance and the encouragement of the Scriptures we might have hope.

 

 

Romans 16:17
   I urge you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and put obstacles in your way that are contrary to the teaching you have learned. Keep away from them.

 

 

1 Corinthians 4:17
   For this reason I am sending to you Timothy, my son whom I love, who is faithful in the Lord. He will remind you of my way of life in Christ Jesus, which agrees with what I teach everywhere in every church.

 

 

1 Corinthians 11:2
 2.  I praise you for remembering me in everything and for holding to the teachings,  just as I passed them on to you.

 

 

Ephesians 4:14-15
 14.  Then we will no longer be infants, tossed back and forth by the waves, and blown here and there by every wind of teaching and by the cunning and craftiness of men in their deceitful scheming.
 15.  Instead, speaking the truth in love, we will in all things grow up into him who is the Head, that is, Christ.

 

 

2 Thessalonians 2:15
   So then, brothers, stand firm and hold to the teachings  we passed on to you, whether by word of mouth or by letter.

 

 

2 Thessalonians 3:6
  In the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, we command you, brothers, to keep away from every brother who is idle and does not live according to the teaching  you received from us.

 

 

1 Timothy 1:3-4
 3.  As I urged you when I went into Macedonia, stay there in Ephesus so that you may command certain men not to teach false doctrines any longer
 4.  nor to devote themselves to myths and endless genealogies. These promote controversies rather than God's work--which is by faith.

 

 

1 Timothy 1:7
  They want to be teachers of the law, but they do not know what they are talking about or what they so confidently affirm.

 

 

1 Timothy 2:7
   And for this purpose I was appointed a herald and an apostle--I am telling the truth, I am not lying--and a teacher of the true faith to the Gentiles.

 

 

1 Timothy 4:1-2
 1.  The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons.
 2.  Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron.

 

 

1 Timothy 4:6
   If you point these things out to the brothers, you will be a good minister of Christ Jesus, brought up in the truths of the faith and of the good teaching that you have followed.

 

 

1 Timothy 4:11
  Command and teach these things.

 

 

1 Timothy 6:3-5
 3.  If anyone teaches false doctrines and does not agree to the sound instruction of our Lord Jesus Christ and to godly teaching,
 4.  he is conceited and understands nothing. He has an unhealthy interest in controversies and quarrels about words that result in envy, strife, malicious talk, evil suspicions 
 5.  and constant friction between men of corrupt mind, who have been robbed of the truth and who think that godliness is a means to financial gain.

 

 

2 Timothy 1:13
  What you heard from me, keep as the pattern of sound teaching, with faith and love in Christ Jesus.

 

 

 2 Timothy 2:15-17
 15.  Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a workman who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly handles the word of truth.
 16.  Avoid godless chatter, because those who indulge in it will become more and more ungodly.
 17.  Their teaching will spread like gangrene.

 

 

2 Timothy 3:16-17
 16.  All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,
 17.  so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.

 

 

 2 Timothy 4:3-4
  3.  For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.
  4.  They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.

 

 

Titus 1:11
   They must be silenced, because they are ruining whole households by teaching things they ought not to teach--and that for the sake of dishonest gain.

 

 

Titus 2:1
  You must teach what is in accord with sound doctrine.

 

 

Titus 2:15
  These, then, are the things you should teach. Encourage and rebuke with all authority. Do not let anyone despise you.

 

 

 Hebrews 13:9
 Do not be carried away by all kinds of strange teachings.

 

 

 2 Peter 2:1-3
 1.  But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them--bringing swift destruction on themselves.
 2.  Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute.
 3.  In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.

 

 

2 John 1:10
  If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not take him into your house or welcome him.

[Elsie]

I don't get what all the Mormon bashing is about.

Any place that a MORMON has the nerve to start spouting any of their HERESY will turn in to a BASH.

Bold
ANTIs
Spotlighting
Heresy

[Elsie]

Article 6 of the Constitution.

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All Debts contracted and Engagements entered into, before the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be as valid against the United States under this Constitution, as under the Confederation.

This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.

The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.

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Doesn't say ANYTHING about VOTERS using any criteria they wish to select their choice; does it.