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To: mamelukesabre
It appears the purpose of this stupid thread is to post mormon spam.

Probably so. I don't get what all the Mormon bashing is about. Politically speaking, they are a reliably Republican voting block. What is the point of folks attacking and alienating traditional minded, conservative people who are a giant net benefit for the country? While I am not a Mormon and obviously don't share the same religious views, I have nothing but positive things to say about them overall.

33 posted on 12/29/2011 4:11:49 PM PST by Longbow1969
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To: Longbow1969

They will be glad to know their propaganda machine is working so nicely on you.

I would have agreed with you until I became one of them and moved to Utah. Reality is far different than public perception. One of their mottos is ‘Never do anything to make “THE CHURCH” look bad’.


36 posted on 12/29/2011 4:15:29 PM PST by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see".)
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To: Longbow1969
I don't get what all the Mormon bashing is about.

MORMONism is a heresy.


 
 
Romans 15:4
 For everything that was written in the past was written to teach us, so that through endurance and the encouragement of the Scriptures we might have hope.
 
 
Romans 16:17
   I urge you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and put obstacles in your way that are contrary to the teaching you have learned. Keep away from them.
 
 
1 Corinthians 4:17
   For this reason I am sending to you Timothy, my son whom I love, who is faithful in the Lord. He will remind you of my way of life in Christ Jesus, which agrees with what I teach everywhere in every church.
 
 
1 Corinthians 11:2
 2.  I praise you for remembering me in everything and for holding to the teachings,  just as I passed them on to you.
 
 
Ephesians 4:14-15
 14.  Then we will no longer be infants, tossed back and forth by the waves, and blown here and there by every wind of teaching and by the cunning and craftiness of men in their deceitful scheming.
 15.  Instead, speaking the truth in love, we will in all things grow up into him who is the Head, that is, Christ.
 
 
2 Thessalonians 2:15
   So then, brothers, stand firm and hold to the teachings  we passed on to you, whether by word of mouth or by letter.
 
 
2 Thessalonians 3:6
  In the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, we command you, brothers, to keep away from every brother who is idle and does not live according to the teaching  you received from us.
 
 
1 Timothy 1:3-4
 3.  As I urged you when I went into Macedonia, stay there in Ephesus so that you may command certain men not to teach false doctrines any longer
 4.  nor to devote themselves to myths and endless genealogies. These promote controversies rather than God's work--which is by faith.
 
 
1 Timothy 1:7
  They want to be teachers of the law, but they do not know what they are talking about or what they so confidently affirm.
 
 
1 Timothy 2:7
   And for this purpose I was appointed a herald and an apostle--I am telling the truth, I am not lying--and a teacher of the true faith to the Gentiles.
 
 
1 Timothy 4:1-2
 1.  The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons.
 2.  Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron.
 
 
1 Timothy 4:6
   If you point these things out to the brothers, you will be a good minister of Christ Jesus, brought up in the truths of the faith and of the good teaching that you have followed.
 
 
1 Timothy 4:11
  Command and teach these things.
 
 
1 Timothy 6:3-5
 3.  If anyone teaches false doctrines and does not agree to the sound instruction of our Lord Jesus Christ and to godly teaching,
 4.  he is conceited and understands nothing. He has an unhealthy interest in controversies and quarrels about words that result in envy, strife, malicious talk, evil suspicions 
 5.  and constant friction between men of corrupt mind, who have been robbed of the truth and who think that godliness is a means to financial gain.
 
 
2 Timothy 1:13
  What you heard from me, keep as the pattern of sound teaching, with faith and love in Christ Jesus.
 
 
 2 Timothy 2:15-17
 15.  Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a workman who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly handles the word of truth.
 16.  Avoid godless chatter, because those who indulge in it will become more and more ungodly.
 17.  Their teaching will spread like gangrene.
 
 
2 Timothy 3:16-17
 16.  All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,
 17.  so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.
 
 
 2 Timothy 4:3-4
  3.  For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.
  4.  They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.
 
 
Titus 1:11
   They must be silenced, because they are ruining whole households by teaching things they ought not to teach--and that for the sake of dishonest gain.
 
 
Titus 2:1
  You must teach what is in accord with sound doctrine.
 
 
Titus 2:15
  These, then, are the things you should teach. Encourage and rebuke with all authority. Do not let anyone despise you.
 
 
 Hebrews 13:9
 Do not be carried away by all kinds of strange teachings.
 
 
 2 Peter 2:1-3
 1.  But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them--bringing swift destruction on themselves.
 2.  Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute.
 3.  In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.
 
 
2 John 1:10
  If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not take him into your house or welcome him.



78 posted on 12/29/2011 6:43:45 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Longbow1969
I don't get what all the Mormon bashing is about.

Any place that a MORMON has the nerve to start spouting any of their HERESY will turn in to a BASH.

Bold
ANTIs
Spotlighting
Heresy

79 posted on 12/29/2011 6:44:23 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Longbow1969
Politically speaking, they are a reliably Republican voting block.

It's clearly a personal determination regarding the point at which a candidate's religious beliefs affect your choice to vote for him or her. Have you ever considered how Utah got the Republican party?

First, you should know that Gordon B. HInckley was a former prophet/President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, and author of James Henry Moyle (Salt Lake City: Deseret Book Co. 1951). J. D. Williams, Ph.D. is Mormon, a former Professor of Political Science and the Director of the (Gordon B.) Hinckley Institute of Politics at the University of Utah, about whom the LDS Church-owned Deseret News says “[f]or decades, when an astute and informed political opinion was sought in Utah, the man who got the call was J.D. Williams.” He is also the author of The Separation of Church and State in Mormon Theory and Practice, from Dialogue: A Journal of Mormon Thought..

When Utah wanted to become a state, Congress was concerned that Utah had only one political party, the LDS church's theocratic People's Party. First Counselor to the First Presidency George Q. Cannon made an appearance at a meeting of the People’s Party one day in 1891 and said the First Presidency wanted the party dissolved and the national political parties instituted in its place. According to LDS prophet/President Hinckley, at the LDS ward level, bishops told people whether they were Democrats or Republicans.

I realize this was over 100 years ago, but Dr. William's peer-reviewed article then addresses the modern cases when the LDS church has instructed its members how to vote on issues while publicly stating that it does not instruct its members how to vote. That, by the way, will be called 'bigotry' by some. I quoted LDS history from an LDS Prophet and an LDS political science professor praised by the LDS church's newspaper, and an article from a journal of LDS-themed scholarly articles.

Does the LDS church's involvement at the LDS membership level happen today? Proposition 8? Or as reaganaut said:

"I remember being in church in Utah with orders how to vote in the election coming down in letter form read by the Bishop. In that case it was to vote against Wilford Brimley’s proposed race track."

The decision is yours to make. You appear to have determined that there is a line when you mention that you may not vote for a Scientologist. I'd posit there's a line at which devout belief in certain other religions is a non-starter, because it's not possible for a candidate to compartmentalize that way. And if a candidate is involved with a church that is involved in politics to such an extent, it may be something to consider. You may also consider the endowment oath or pledge that Romney takes (which not all Mormons do):

"that you do consecrate yourselves, your time, talents, and everything with which the Lord has blessed you, or with which he may bless you, to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, for the building up of the kingdom of God on the earth and for the establishment of Zion [the LDS Church].

Not a pledge to God or country, but to the LDS Church. Me? I'm not voting for Romney because he' a liberal. I'd rather have my enemy in front of me so I know where he is. If I were convinced that Romeny would nominate conservative federal judges (particularly Supreme Court justices), that would sway me; but Romeny's history in Massachusetts was that he nominated more Democrats than Republicans. Which, all in all - taken with everything we know about him - I don't find surprising.

Would I vote for a Mormon for President? Yes. If he were like my best friend, who is a Mormon. But he's a Jack Mormon, I guess. He has no Temple Recommend, but he's a superb human being and Assistant Scoutmaster.

136 posted on 01/05/2012 7:44:15 AM PST by Scoutmaster (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it)
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To: Longbow1969
Politically speaking, they are a reliably Republican voting block.

Then wyare all the elected mormons liberals. People say that all the time but there is no evidence it is true.

145 posted on 01/05/2012 8:58:04 PM PST by svcw (For the new year: you better toughen up, if you are going to continue to be stupid.)
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