You mean these nana?
Oh, and nearly 4 BILLION for the mormon shopping mall in slc.
Posted on 11/08/2011 6:51:40 AM PST by greyfoxx39
News Int'l - Dateline 11/7/11 - SLC Utah: Mormon Church Officials Release Extensive List Of Church Facilities Opening Their Doors for Thanksgiving Meals for Homeless and Needy...
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Not surprising at all.
In the little desert valley where we (husband and I) have a place every year ALL the churches get together and have a Thanksgiving feast at the community center. (area only has about 5,000 people). They come together, after planning for months this event to feed and celebrate with those in need.
EXCEPT the lds ward, oh they have an event but it is only for their members - period.
Dont worry Grey ...
The homeless and needy can always come to the Christian Church I attend and get food and clothing and help...
We infidel/apostate whore-of-Babylon Christians are strange that way...
It all depends on which Jesus you follow...
The mormon man jesus or the LORD Jesus Christ who is the God of the Christian Bible..
Shedding Blood on the Cross and dying on the Cross makes all the difference...
You’d think that the LDS hosting an everybody-welcome Thanksgiving Day event would be a PERFECT opportunity to give their Gentile guests the full mishie witnessing hard sell.
They could even say that turkeys were first brought to North America by the Nephites.
;^)
YES. The LDS Church provides welfare support to millions of people on a day to day basis.
NO. The LDS Church doesn’t grandstand by opening soup kitchens just two days a year ... Thanksgiving and Christmas.
I guess that they simply leave the hypocrisy to others who are willing to grandstand two days a year.
.... after all, Christ said that when you do your alms ...let not your right hand know what your left hand doeth.
In other words .... you guys are demostrating your Christian Hypocrisy!
They could but as everyone knows...
Turkeys dont do well in open underwater submarines..
They were sent on ahead as front men...
;)
after all, Christ said that when you do your alms ...let not your right hand know what your left hand doeth.
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Is that why Mormons hold press conferences when they send 100 $600 shanties to Haiti ???
after all, Christ said that when you do your alms ...let not your right hand know what your left hand doeth.
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So are you saying that Mormons dont get tax refunds from their club fees to Mormon Inc ???
I thought part of the Mormon business was “tax exempt” ???
Exactly.
Please provide a link to substantiate that the mormon church provides welfare support to non-members...
I guess that they simply leave the hypocrisy to others who are willing to grandstand two days a year.
The mormon church has a patent on "grandstanding" its charitable work...including having members wear yellow tee shirts to flaunt membership when they show up at disasters.
There are thousands of Christian churches that provide for the poor and needy 365 days a year...to NON-members as well as their own who have no need to advertise.
Who could miss the Salvation Army?
You mean these nana?
Oh, and nearly 4 BILLION for the mormon shopping mall in slc.
Our local Baptist church always had a dinner for the community during Thanksgiving week and Christmas week.
Soon they were overwhelmed with people, not homeless or hungry, just looking for a free meal. The guests always ate first and soon there was no food for the regular church attendees.
Children running everywhere, massive waste (Alligator eyes and a squirrel’s behind), food fights.
It was finally stopped by having the dinner for church members AND INVITED GUESTS only.
The rabble were going from church to church gobbling down, and wasting, the free food.
One of my churches would deliver complete Thanksgiving and Christmas dinners to families in the community, no membership required. They also had a congregational dinner for the members, and many non-members would attend.
Not so. The local churches support and coordinate with the local homeless shelters [or as you put it, "soup kitchens"] in my area year round. There are budgets within many of the local CHRISTIAN congregations to support this very thing to ensure that meals are ALWAYS available.
The support you mention about welfare has more to do with mormons receiving support than non-members, that's just the way it is. And you know what? After a certain amount of time [or amount of $$], the people are cut off from receiving the welfare.
About the hypocrisy, is that why the mormons feel compelled to wear those yellow shirts and have press releases and news conferences whenever they decide to help out?
Samaritan’s Purse, Salvation Army, World Vision and
so many others do fantastic work worldwide 365 days a year.
I live in SLC and I'm non-LDS. I had some non-LDS friends that are pathetic with their money that got help from the church. The church does help non-LDS folks too.
YES. The LDS Church provides welfare support to millions of people on a day to day basis.
http://www.deseretnews.com/article/700009383/LDS-Church-sending-temporary-housing-kits-to-Haiti.html
The LDS Church doesn’t grandstand...
http://store.lds.org/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product3_715839595_10557_21150_-1__195951
Yer numbers are backward...
NO. The LDS Church doesn’t grandstand by opening soup kitchens just two days a year ... Thanksgiving and Christmas.
I guess that they simply leave the hypocrisy to others who are willing to grandstand two days a year.
.... after all, Christ said that when you do your alms ...let not your right hand know what your left hand doeth.
You know this how?
Would you care to provide sources and links to support your contention that this is indeed how Christians operate? That they indeed don't help others throughout the year and that their Thanksgiving and Christmas dinners are just grandstanding? That they are indeed hypocrites in the way they relate to the poor?
13But the tax collector, standing far off, would not even lift up his eyes to heaven, but beat his breast, saying, 'God, be merciful to me, a sinner!' 14I tell you, this man went down to his house justified, rather than the other. For everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, but the one who humbles himself will be exalted."
“The rabble were going from church to church gobbling down, and wasting, the free food.”
Good point.
This is perplexing. Whenever we have any kind of event that involves food, we are always requested to bring non members. There’s always plenty of food and plenty of good feelings.
Plus the LDS Church helps non members and members all over the world. There should be nothing but good things to say about The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. Just like all the Christian churches that reach out to people in need. Sheeeesh already.
From the exmormon source of the article: I volunteered in a cannery. They had the production schedule up. Out of the 12,000 cans we produced, 11.500 were specifically made to be sold. Only 450 were marked humanitarian. This says it all.
So, the Lds sets aside about 4% for "humanitarian" -- and sells the rest of its cans?
It can't even match the tithe it imposes on its members?
“There should be nothing but good things to say about The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints.”
OK, I’ll try!
Here are some good things I can say about The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints:
... It is an uplifting teaching that we can all become mormon gods - very inspirational in such a depressing age!
... It is so nice to see the level of dedication of those young elders as they go door to door telling Christians their Churches are false - they inspire us all.
... It is a real service to humanity that the mormon church has recycled all those condemned heresies, instead of leaving them on the dustbin of Church history - recycling is a good thing, I’ve heard.
See everyone, it is easy!
Do you have a source for that claim.
The wards where ever I have lived ONLY serve their members.
In fact according to my lds family members, when a ward helps their own members, they (the lds members) are required to pay back the “charity”.
As far as the “grandstanding” claim, I have never seen a Christian church with a PR division, as does the lds group in SLC.
My lds family has told me that when “charity” is given to its members they are asked to pay it back.
Do you have a source for the lds SLC group helping non members?
Let's start here!
The Articles of Faith outline 13 basic points of belief of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
The Prophet Joseph Smith first wrote them in a letter to John Wentworth, a newspaper editor,
in response to Mr. Wentworth's request to know what members of the Church believed.
They were subsequently published in Church periodicals.
They are now regarded as scripture and included in the Pearl of Great Price.
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THE ARTICLES OF FAITH
OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS History of the Church, Vol. 4, pp. 535—541
Joseph Smith |
And then they die; and find out that the 'salvation' that MORMONism offers is, shall we say, a bit lacking.
When do we find out about the SECOND or THIRD principles?
#6 & #7
...and so forth???
That’s really precise!
King James Bible
And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
My Stake Center has a food drive on right now for Community Food Bank. Here is what is requested for us to put in each individual box:
1 (5 oz) bx stuffing; 1 pkg gravy; 2 lbs rice; 2 lbs pinto beans; 1 bx instant potatoes; 2 bx mac ‘n cheese; 2 (15 oz) cans of green beans; 2 (5 oz) cans fruit cocktail; and 1 cake mix
The LDS Church is busy world-wide helping non members so I am perplexed why you posted this thing. I am waiting for an apology . . .
Source?
My lds family says that when members are "helped" they are required to pay back the "charity".
Didn't you say just a few posts back that lds "help" people all year? So why the "food drive" for Thanksgiving? You disparaged Christian Churches that have feasts for the community on Thanksgiving, as I recall. Waiting for an apology.
Just read on an lds site that they (lds) have donated one billion dollars in cash and aide since 1987. They included in that figure the 53K “missionaries”.
When one figures that lds collects over a billion a year in forced tithes, well its just not much.
It may be a while; as there are a LOT of PRESBYTERIANs ahead of you.
Source?
Just read on an lds site that they (lds) have donated one billion dollars in cash and aide since 1987. They included in that figure the 53K “missionaries”.
When one figures that lds collects over a billion a year in forced tithes, well its just not much.
Source: http://mormon.org/faq/mormons-help-everyone/ AND since the lds group WILL NOT open its books for examination, I just guessed on the one billion dollar a year figure. AND yes I did say forced tithe as my lds family and friends are required to show to their bishop every year their W2s, so they can be billed (yes billed) their tithes.
I will take your posts seriously.
As are the Christian Churches....from your founder, Joe Smith.
AND yes I did say forced tithe as my lds family and friends are required to show to their bishop every year their W2s, so they can be billed (yes billed) their tithes.
I wounder why I have never heard of this.
Two men were shipwrecked near an island. When they landed ashore, one of them began screaming and yelling, “We’re going to die! We’re going to die! There’s no food! No water! We’re going to die!”
The second man leaned calmly against a palm tree.
When the first man saw how calm his friend was, he went crazy and shouted, “Don’t you understand?! We’re going to die!!”Undisturbed, the second man replied, “You don’t understand, I make $100,000 a week.”
Dumbfounded, the first man looked at him and asked, “What difference does that make?!? We’re on an island with no food and no water! We’re going to DIE!!!”
The second man answered, “You just don’t get it. I make $100,000 a week and I tithe ten percent on that $100,000 a week. Wherever I am, my pastor will be sure to find me!”
Google is our friend...
And you thought dealing with the IRS was fun !!
http://tech.lds.org/wiki/Tithing_settlement
Great!
It is interesting Blue. Not every mormon has experienced that “tithing” bill. My lds friends in southern California, just made a quick reference that their bishop requires that they show their W2s and he sends them a bill each moth based on those W2s. At first I though she was joking and laughed. She wasn’t.
I asked my lds uncle (former bishop) and he said in their current ward (also southern California, different area) that is the practice as well.
There are a few former mormons on FR who have posted that they have had similar experiences with “billed” tithing. Don’t remember which ones.
Tithing is between you and God not between you and some guy.
Tithing is a form of worship, not a prerequisite to anything.
Oh, Blue and you said you have never heard of “tithing” billing. Hum....I guess you were just funning me.
http://tech.lds.org/wiki/Tithing_settlement
Probably because of the fact that it isn’t true.
Tithing settlement happens in December. Who has their W2 before the year is even over?
It’s done on the honour system, you are given a list of what you’ve contributed to make sure the records are correct, and then check a box to indicate if you are are full, part or non tithe payer and that is as detailed as it gets. No bill, no checking what your income is etc. The only thing that even comes sort of close to that is if you are an employee of the church I think you are required to be a full tithe payer as a condition of employment, but if you don’t like that don’t apply for a job there.
Nobody is compelled by anything other than their own personal convictions. I find if so funny that some conservatives can sound like a bunch of Occupy Wall Street goons when it comes to the financial standing of my church.
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