Posted on 09/20/2011 8:59:42 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
I don’t know what questions are asked on the video but I do recall a conversation I had years ago with a friend who has gone from pro-choice to pro-life. It went like this...
Me - “do you believe you are more than just flesh and blood? In other words, do you believe you have a soul?”.
Friend - “yes, of course”.
Me - “When do you suppose you acquired your soul, was it at the moment you emerged from your mother’s womb or could it have happened earlier?”.
Friend - “I really don’t know”.
Me - “Since it could have happened before you were born, even as early as the moment you were conceived, can we really disregard babies in the womb as something less than persons with a soul?”
Friend - (silence).
I don’t know when the transformation was complete, but I’d like to think the seeds of doubt were planted in that discussion.
Hey there. :)
I grew up in a family that was insanely crazy about and protective of babies and their moms and dads. So feminism’s mentality always seemed upside down to me.
...but you do like Jeff, right?
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What were the questions, Marie?
Money, votes and power over others. Yes, for progressives, it is just that simple. They are not happy without all of the three.
no, silly -
what was the “180” question?
It went something like this:
he: (after establishing that I was pro-choice) would you ever have an abortion?
me: no
he: why not?
me: I couldn’t kill a child of mine.
he: alright. Would you kill your mother?
me: no!
he: why not.
me: it’s murder
he: is it alright, in your eyes, for me to kill my own mother?
me: no
he: why not?
me: it’s murder (duh)
he: so it’s murder for you to kill your mother and also murder for me to kill my mother, right?
me: yes....?
he: then why, if it’s murder for you to kill your own baby, is it not murder for me to kill mine?
me: oh....
he: murder is murder, no matter how you look at it. you can call it by a different name, play with the idea, try to justify it; but, in the end, when you take another innocent human life, it’s murder. there’s no way out of that fundamental truth.
In retrospect, he had me before the conversation started. I’d always wanted to be a mother and already identified with my un-conceived children. I watched my mother grieve the loss of her miscarried children as if they were known.
So his arguments made perfect sense to me. Sometimes things really are black and white.
I'm sorry, but I have to obtain written permission from Living Waters to discuss it any further.
I will say, though, that I wouldn’t use Comfort’s line of questioning myself. Some of the methods I’ve read in this thread would be much more effective.
“When asked by CP, the preacher who is also known for challenging atheists in one-on-one debates...”
Ray Comfort is something of a doofus who - with Kirk Cameron as his sidekick - lost a televised debate against a couple of young atheists. He’s a twit and a grandstander.
Not braindead. Educated in government schools.
lol....1973...a hippie commune of sorts in the Black River swamp owned by some eccentric Delta gentry...they lived between cotton fields the size of a county wealth and Amsterdam..
after a hard night of skinny dipping and Psilocybin and finally crashing on hard wood floors around 4AM only to be awakened around 8AM by this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUHy_TfkN38&feature=related at Volume (11) on a McIntosh tube amp that weighed 100 pounds and Klipschorn monster speakers 10 feet away
you had to be there...so yep...me and Jeff go back a ways...his Yardbird work is the best too..imo
I’m listening to it right now...irony of ironies..on Klipsch desktop speakers
I came across him at HB and he was debating an atheist.
I had heard about Ray and how “good” he was. I walked away ver unimpressed.
Saw JB only once -- at the "ARMS concert" (a Ronnie Lane benefit concert) in '83 at the L.A. Forum. Clapton, Page, Beck, Winwood, and Cocker. Helluva show.
Some of his prog-rock (post mid-'70s) stuff was alright, but like you I far prefer the earlier bluesy Beck. At the ARMS show he mostly played material from his There and Back album ('81). His last decent album, imo.
"Going Down" -- an all time classic. Haven't heard it in ages. High volume-only listening. The best version I ever heard was live at a small club in Santa Cruz in '86 at a Buddy Guy & Jr. Wells show. They tore the damn roof off the joint.
lol...getting blasted off the floor by "Goin' Down" in the early morn' while sleeping off a Psilly night could get the ole blood going.
54 with 9 dependents...I don’t even smoke ganja any more even though I have steady access to the best “shatter” in the US for free if I wanted it
once upon a time pot for me was like a dreadlock...all day affair from ages 14-23
shatter oil is resin like hash oil made from domestic high potency pot...comes in around 80% THC so they say
rarely drink either..
only one drug for me..on my homepage...5 foot 105 lbs blonde..she’s held up well
I have to be able to function..so much going on...I never just chill out except late at night on FR or watching some man TV stuff like hunting, war, deadliest warrior, anthropology or girls...when I was young I could smoke dope and just watch TV for hours, get my college work done and think about the future
well the future done came and went..lol..and I grabbed on
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