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America's debt to John Calvin
WORLD Magazine ^ | July 04, 2009 | John Piper

Posted on 06/21/2009 6:34:36 PM PDT by Alex Murphy

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"Calvinism has liberated Switzerland, the Netherlands, and England, and in the Pilgrim Fathers has provided the impulse to the prosperity of the United States."
1 posted on 06/21/2009 6:34:36 PM PDT by Alex Murphy
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To: Alex Murphy

As George III called the American Revolution, “That Presbyterian rebellion.”


2 posted on 06/21/2009 6:40:17 PM PDT by gusopol3
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To: Alex Murphy

We were always destined to honor John Calvin’s 500th birthday.


3 posted on 06/21/2009 6:51:57 PM PDT by discomatic
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Plus the Walloons and the Huguenots who had a great impact on the beginnings of America...


4 posted on 06/21/2009 6:57:23 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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As a Lutheran, I would take exception that Calvin is more important than Luther. It was Martin Luther, long before John Calvin, that had established the Protestant work ethic and the teaching on vocation. I would agree with his views on the difference between Calvin and Luther when it comes to the distinction between the two kingdoms. As the saying goes, Calvin loved the glory of God, while Luther gloried in the love of God.
5 posted on 06/21/2009 6:58:35 PM PDT by Nosterrex
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To: discomatic

I have treasured my studies in Calvimism in seminary. The man was an absolute genius.


6 posted on 06/21/2009 7:00:10 PM PDT by WVNan ( (Attack him where he is unprepared, appear where you are not expected.: Sun Tzu))
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To: Nosterrex

Luther and Calvin served their purpose.


7 posted on 06/21/2009 7:01:30 PM PDT by Tolkien (Grace is the Essence of the Gospel; Gratitude is the Essence of Ethics.)
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To: Alex Murphy

Thank you for posting this. It has admittedly sparked an interest in me to study Calvin a bit more deeply.


8 posted on 06/21/2009 7:10:25 PM PDT by MWS
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To: WVNan

Calvinism. Sorry about the typo. Letters are worn off.


9 posted on 06/21/2009 7:18:26 PM PDT by WVNan ( (Attack him where he is unprepared, appear where you are not expected.: Sun Tzu))
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America owes a huge debt to Calvin. Most of the Founders were out of some reformed religious background.

The huge majority were Christian reformers, and even the very few who were “deists” were “Christian deists.”

It’s a verifiable fact of history.


10 posted on 06/21/2009 7:57:39 PM PDT by xzins (Chaplain Says: Jesus befriends those who seek His help.)
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To: Tolkien
My aim is not to disparage the contributions of the Frenchman, Calvin. The French have their purposes, too. I would say that in America, Calvin has had a much greater impact than Luther although I doubt that Calvin would want anything to do with the Reformed denominations in Holland or America. Calvinism is dead except in a few small pockets of America and England. Certainly the political activism we see within much of American Christianity or Evangelicalism is a manifestation of Calvin's failure to distinguish between the two kingdoms in which the state becomes an instrument of the church. Luther's statement that he would rather have a wise Turk for a prince than a stupid Christian would hardly be acceptable to a Calvinist.
Calvinism does not need to make extravagant claims about its history and impact on society.
11 posted on 06/21/2009 8:01:11 PM PDT by Nosterrex
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13 posted on 06/21/2009 8:03:59 PM PDT by narses (http://www.theobamadisaster.com/)
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Thanks, I’ll be sure to check that out.


14 posted on 06/21/2009 8:06:34 PM PDT by MWS
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I have no problem with honoring Calvin on his 500th anniversary. But I do have some problems with the historicity of the “Protestant work ethic.”

I have done quite a lot of research and writing in that area, and I would say that it is, rather, a “Christian work ethic” that developed in Europe and the West, not a specificially Protestant movement.

Yes, it’s true that for whatever reason, England was central to the development of science, technology, and the agricultural and industrial revolutions. But you can find a work ethic in the Middle Ages as well as after the Reformation. And you can also trace it back to a very clear expression in Virgil’s “Georgics.” The Virgilian triad, also well known in the middle ages, involved three styles of life: pastoral leisure, georgic labor, and epic warfare.

Also, FWIW, “vocation” is not solely a Calvinist or a Protestant phenomenon. It was well established earlier in the Catholic Church that everyone has a calling. The Parable of the Talents would suffice to develop that idea.


15 posted on 06/21/2009 8:13:17 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: MWS
LIBERTAS

This is what is truth in how society should operate

http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/leo_xiii/encyclicals/documents/hf_l-xiii_enc_20061888_libertas_en.html

16 posted on 06/21/2009 8:16:04 PM PDT by stfassisi ((The greatest gift God gives us is that of overcoming self"-St Francis Assisi)))
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The "university education" is owing to Calvin alone?

Oh good grief.

17 posted on 06/21/2009 8:16:40 PM PDT by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: stfassisi

Anton La Vey used psychology to formulate his ideas. Your intolerance for views that differ from your own is like to that of Ahmadinejad.


18 posted on 06/21/2009 8:36:45 PM PDT by Judges Gone Wild (Who is this uncircumcised, to oppose the armies of The Living God?)
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Anton La Vey used psychology to formulate his ideas

Calvin did the same because his pride psychologically convinced himself that he was doing the work of God just like Ahmadinejad.

Calvin denies free will thus making God the creator of evil

19 posted on 06/21/2009 8:41:56 PM PDT by stfassisi ((The greatest gift God gives us is that of overcoming self"-St Francis Assisi)))
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To: stfassisi

Pope Leo XIII’s Encyclical “Libertas” may or may not be how a society should operate, but that hardly makes Calvin’s writings, which focus on the all-encompassing sovereignty and power of God, equivalent to the Satanic Bible.

Coming from a Catholic backgroud, I admittedly have never been particularly fond of Calvin, with his doctrines of double predestination and whatnot. I will say that I have not given him a fair hearing, however, and that this article has inspired me to at least learn a bit more about his side of things.


20 posted on 06/21/2009 8:43:44 PM PDT by MWS
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