11 Prophecies fulfilled this generation.

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[topcat54]

1948+70 years = 2018.

Ah, futurist math. The only difference between it an real math is that it changes ever time one of these dates comes and goes.

“The most important sign in Matthew has to be the restoration of the Jews to the land in the rebirth of Israel. Even the figure of speech ‘fig tree´ has been a historic symbol of national Israel. When the Jewish people, after nearly 2,000 years of exile, under relentless persecution, became a nation again on 14 May 1948 the ‘fig tree´ put forth its first leaves. Jesus said that this would indicate that He was ‘at the door,´ ready to return. Then He said, ‘Truly I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place´ (Matthew 24:34, NASB). What generation? Obviously, in context, the generation that would see the signs—chief among them the rebirth of Israel. A generation in the Bible is something like forty years. If this is a correct deduction, then within forty years or so of 1948, all these things could take place. Many scholars who have studied Bible prophecy all their lives believe that this is so.” (Hal Lindsey, 1970)

"We're the generation that saw the fig tree bud forth, as Israel became a nation again in 1948. As a rule, a generation in the Bible lasts 40 years. ... Forty years after 1948 would bring us to 1988." (Chuck Smith, 1978)

[Lee N. Field]

The endless interpretations and speculations of man, especially newly invented doctrines that have no history in the Church, those I do not take seriously for a minute.

Newly invented????

Newly invented, by comparison to the history of the church. Dispensationalism dates from the first half of the 19th century.

[Lee N. Field]

Matthew 24:30 and Revelation 19:11-21 must somehow be understood to represent Christ coming mysteriously through the Roman army which conquered Jerusalem in A.D 70.

Why is that a stretch? God sent the Assyrians and Babylonians against Samaria and Judah.

[classified]

Exactly what I was about to post when I saw yours:

12-21-12 also my 30th wedding anniversary

[reagan_fanatic]

I am in no way suggesting that Obama is the anti-Christ, but the beast is described as being charasmatic and having sway over the leaders of the world in the end times.

Hmmm.

[topcat54]

I am in no way suggesting that Obama is the anti-Christ, but the beast is described as being charasmatic and having sway over the leaders of the world in the end times.

Chapter and verse, s'il vous plait?

[topcat54]

A perfect segue to John's depiction of New Jerusalem, in the new heavens and new earth:

Too bad some folks don't get it, and are looking for a carnal redemption.

[Lee N. Field]

Chapter and verse, s'il vous plait?

And not from a gnostic gospel.

[mountn man]

The problem with your post is that in Psalm 90 it says that a man life is to be 3 score and 10, or if by strength four score, which would be 70 years or 80. Now what about people who die young? Is the Bible a liar? My grandfather lived to 93. Did he prove the Bible wrong?

You seem to cherry pick my comment to beat me up with it. Lets look at what else I posted, in the same post.

My original comment about 2012 was just a thought that I have had, in using other than biblical "prophesy". Another thought I've had is that Israel became a nation in 1948. Psalms 90 tells us that a man shall live (a generation) 3 score and 10, or even 4 score. So 70-80 years. 1948+70 years = 2018. That would be if your holding to a generation being 70 years, and timelining it out. Now subtract 7 years for the tribulation, because if your a person who holds to the idea of a rapture, the rapture and second coming are different events. Whether the trib starts as soon as April or June of this year or not until 2018, doesn't really matter. Time is running out for the harvest. The storm clouds are gathering.

When I posted my "thoughts" I think it was pretty clear that they are thoughts, not something I absolutely hold to dogmatically. I posted that whether the trib starts in April 2009 or 2018... Pretty well shows I'm pretty loose on dates. You also totally avoid the MOST important part. The part where I mention that time is running out for the harvest.

2000 years ago we were told to be on the lookout for Christs return, as if it could happen today. Our lives aren't about living comfy lives in 3000 sq ft homes, with 2 cars, and 50" tvs. We are to be changing lives. Sharing the Good News, that others might believe. Its not wrong to have those things, but they're not why we're here. IF you KNEW Christ were to return next week, how would that change your prayer life? Who would you call to meet for lunch or dinner, to share the gospel?

Its easy and convenient to have the attitude that Christ has been gone for 2000 years and might not come back for another 1000. It allows us to live OUR lives. Believing that our "ministries" at church are "Gods" work. Gods work is reaching others for Christ.

[Diego1618]

Christ called the House of Israel the ‘lost sheep’, lost because they do NOT know who they are, their punishment for whoring after other ‘gods’.

[Amos 9:9] For, lo, I will command, and I will sift the house of Israel among all nations, like as corn is sifted in a sieve, yet shall not the least grain fall upon the earth.

Yup....they don't know....but He does!

[mountn man]

The term rapture has its roots as far back as 400 ad. 1400 years before the 19th century.

Christ himself taught that 2 would be working in a field, and one taken away. Once in Matthew and once in Luke.

1Thessalonians 4 17After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever.

Sounds like a rapture, or taking away to me.

1 Corinthians 15 talks about the same thing.

4 times talking about a sudden taking away.

Now the only thing left is when it happens.

Matthew 24
42"Therefore keep watch, because you do not know on what day your Lord will come. 43But understand this: If the owner of the house had known at what time of night the thief was coming, he would have kept watch and would not have let his house be broken into. 44So you also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour when you do not expect him. 45"Who then is the faithful and wise servant, whom the master has put in charge of the servants in his household to give them their food at the proper time? 46It will be good for that servant whose master finds him doing so when he returns. 47I tell you the truth, he will put him in charge of all his possessions. 48But suppose that servant is wicked and says to himself, 'My master is staying away a long time,' 49and he then begins to beat his fellow servants and to eat and drink with drunkards. 50The master of that servant will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour he is not aware of. 51He will cut him to pieces and assign him a place with the hypocrites, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Pretty much means it doesn't matter "when" we think it will happen. we should always live as if it were today.

[Lee N. Field]

The notion of a "rapture", a catching up of believers, goes back to the Bible. The dispensational notion of a secret snatching away of believers dates back to Margaret McDonald and the Irvingite enthusiasts.

[Uri’el-2012]

"We're the generation that saw the fig tree bud forth, as Israel became a nation again in 1948. As a rule, a generation in the Bible lasts 40 years. ... Forty years after 1948 would bring us to 1988." (Chuck Smith, 1978)

The time of testing is forty years: 30 CE + 40 years = 70 CE

Again the time of testing: capture of Jerusalem with the return
of the Temple Mount to the Evil One : 1967-68 + 40 years = 2007-2008.

We are at the door ; lookup !

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach Adonai

[topcat54]

The time of testing is forty years: 30 CE + 40 years = 70 CE

“This generation” ala Matthew 24:34.

Not sure about the “testing” part. Where is that in the Bible?

Again the time of testing: capture of Jerusalem with the return of the Temple Mount to the Evil One : 1967-68 + 40 years = 2007-2008.

There is nothing about capture of Jerusalem wrt the start of the generation time period. It's simply another discredited theory of the futurists.

Besides, it's already 2009.

We are at the door ; lookup !

This has been true for 2000 years. Christ can return at any moment. It is folly, therefore, to suggest you can time it with your Israel-centric timepiece.

[topcat54]

The problem with your post is that in Psalm 90 it says that a man life is to be 3 score and 10, or if by strength four score, which would be 70 years or 80. Now what about people who die young? Is the Bible a liar? My grandfather lived to 93. Did he prove the Bible wrong?

The problem with your analysis is that your are using the wrong verses to figure out what a generation is in the Bible.

A more appropriate verse for this situation would be Numbers 32:13, "So the Lord's anger was aroused against Israel, and He made them wander in the wilderness forty years, until all the generation that had done evil in the sight of the Lord was gone."

Forty years has to do with the judgment of that generation. "This generation" of Matthew 24:34 is speaking of the generation of the children of Israel in the 1st century who rejected Messiah and had Him put to death. "And all the people answered and said, 'His blood be on us and on our children.'" (Matt. 27:25).

Lindsey and Smith had the correct timing. Their error was that they were off by nineteen hundred and ten years or so as to when to apply the timing.

When I posted my "thoughts" I think it was pretty clear that they are thoughts, not something I absolutely hold to dogmatically.

Then consider my comments as more information by which you may refine your thoughts.

IF you KNEW Christ were to return next week, how would that change your prayer life? Who would you call to meet for lunch or dinner, to share the gospel?

But we don't and still we should. That's why schemes based on calculations about modern, secular Israel as some indicator for Jesus' return are so detrimental to the life of the Church.

[PetroniusMaximus]

“Newly invented, by comparison to the history of the church. Dispensationalism dates from the first half of the 19th century.”

And Preterism (Lee N. Field’s probable poison) was invented by Jesuit Luis De Alcasar during the Counter Reformation - unless you want to count Hymenaeus and Philetus.

[EdReform]

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[Lee N. Field]

And Preterism (Lee N. Field’s probable poison)

Did I say I was a preterist?

But, I guess everybody's a preterist to the dispensationalist who throws everything to the end of the age. When Jesus said "When you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies....", it's pretty clear, He meant the Roman siege.

Breathe in, breathe out. "Already, not yet."

My eschatology is "amillenial", distinct from topcat54's postmillenialism. My view does not, for instance, require an early date for John's Apocalypse, which is why I tend to sit that battle out.

A better chart in pdf format.

I find dispensationalism "ungospelish" in it's assumptions and implications, for reasons I spell out briefly at the first link above, and Oswald Allis covers in much greater detail.

[topcat54]

And Preterism (Lee N. Field’s probable poison) was invented by Jesuit Luis De Alcasar during the Counter Reformation - unless you want to count Hymenaeus and Philetus.

Why do you have to be so negative? Why do you mock and belittle your brethren? Where is your humility and patience?

Why can't we all just get along? I think you need to check your motives, my friend.

[Uri’el-2012]

XS>The time of testing is forty years: 30 CE + 40 years = 70 CE

“This generation” ala Matthew 24:34.

Not sure about the “testing” part. Where is that in the Bible?

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This has been true for 2000 years. Christ can return at any moment. It is folly, therefore, to suggest you can time it with your Israel-centric timepiece.

Number in Scripture: Its Supernatural Design and Spiritual Significance
40 years
by
E. W. Bullinger
(1837-1913)

Yah'shua is coming at the end of the sixth millennia (day)

for the 1000 years (day) of rest and peace

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach Adonai