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To: mountn man
The endless interpretations and speculations of man, especially newly invented doctrines that have no history in the Church, those I do not take seriously for a minute.

Newly invented????

Newly invented, by comparison to the history of the church. Dispensationalism dates from the first half of the 19th century.

62 posted on 02/21/2009 6:24:46 PM PST by Lee N. Field ("What is your only comfort, in life and death?" "That I an not my own, but belong, body and soul...")
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To: Lee N. Field
The term rapture has its roots as far back as 400 ad. 1400 years before the 19th century.

Christ himself taught that 2 would be working in a field, and one taken away. Once in Matthew and once in Luke.

1Thessalonians 4 17After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever.

Sounds like a rapture, or taking away to me.

1 Corinthians 15 talks about the same thing.

4 times talking about a sudden taking away.

Now the only thing left is when it happens.

Matthew 24
42"Therefore keep watch, because you do not know on what day your Lord will come. 43But understand this: If the owner of the house had known at what time of night the thief was coming, he would have kept watch and would not have let his house be broken into. 44So you also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour when you do not expect him. 45"Who then is the faithful and wise servant, whom the master has put in charge of the servants in his household to give them their food at the proper time? 46It will be good for that servant whose master finds him doing so when he returns. 47I tell you the truth, he will put him in charge of all his possessions. 48But suppose that servant is wicked and says to himself, 'My master is staying away a long time,' 49and he then begins to beat his fellow servants and to eat and drink with drunkards. 50The master of that servant will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour he is not aware of. 51He will cut him to pieces and assign him a place with the hypocrites, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Pretty much means it doesn't matter "when" we think it will happen. we should always live as if it were today.

71 posted on 02/21/2009 7:53:09 PM PST by mountn man (The pleasure you get from life, is equal to the attitude you put into it.)
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To: Lee N. Field; mountn man

“Newly invented, by comparison to the history of the church. Dispensationalism dates from the first half of the 19th century.”

And Preterism (Lee N. Field’s probable poison) was invented by Jesuit Luis De Alcasar during the Counter Reformation - unless you want to count Hymenaeus and Philetus.


76 posted on 02/22/2009 1:31:43 PM PST by PetroniusMaximus
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