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Fully armed Nazi bomber planes 'buried below East Berlin airport'
The Scotsman ^ | July 22, 2003 | Allan Hall

Posted on 07/21/2003 8:17:05 PM PDT by Recourse

The Scotsman

  

Tue 22 Jul 2003


Fully armed Nazi bomber planes 'buried below East Berlin airport'



ALLAN HALL IN BERLIN



AN AIRPORT used by hundreds of thousands of tourists and business travellers each year could be sitting on top of thousands of live bombs.

Papers among thousands of files captured from the Stasi, the secret police of East Germany, claim tons of live Second World War munitions were buried in concrete bunkers beneath the runways of Schoenefeld airport in East Berlin. It is now the main destination for discount airlines, such as Ryanair, and numerous charter companies.

Not only did the commissars intern munitions beneath the runways, but also entire Nazi fighter planes, all fuelled and fully bombed-up, according to the Stasi.

The captured files of Interflug, the former East German government airline and the airport authority of the DDR, are now being examined to see if the Stasi claim is true.

Experts believe it entirely feasible that, in the aftermath of the Second World War, with Berlin littered with millions of tons of unexploded ordnance, the Soviets could well have pressured local officials to move to clear the airfield as swiftly as possible.

"They would have stuffed them anywhere they could - there was simply too much stuff to blow up all at once," said Karl-Heinz Eckhardt, a Berlin historian. "There was a warren of massive Nazi bunkers beneath the site of the present airport that would have suited their purposes."

City authorities claim the airport is perfectly safe, but a thorough check on the claims in the Stasi files - 140 km of them that will still take a number of years to decipher - is being undertaken.

Nearly two million passengers a year pass through Schoenefeld. According to the Stasi files, the ammunition was buried in bunkers between eight and nine metres deep.

A spokesman for the airport said: "We became aware of the bunkers in 1993, four years after the fall of the [Berlin] Wall. A check was undertaken then and everything was determined to be safe."

But he conceded that he was astounded at the claims that fully-fuelled and bombed-up aircraft lie beneath the runways and said new tests about the safety of the structures will be carried out.

He added: "We had no idea that so much ordnance is supposedly under there."

Frank Henkel, the Conservative interior ministry spokesman, said: "This must be investigated thoroughly and immediately and the runways strengthened if necessary."

Berlin, with its sandy, dry soil, was perfect for the bunker-building of the Third Reich. Hundreds of thousands of them were constructed during the 12-year lifespan of the Nazi government: for every one metre of building above ground in modern-day Berlin, there are three metres below ground.

Bunkers are being discovered every day and a group called Underground Berlin has turned several of them into tourist attractions.



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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Germany
KEYWORDS: berlin; bomber; godsgravesglyphs; nazi; wwii
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To: VOA
Your post is pretty much correct. Even though German arms were superior to ours in almost all cases they were highly technical and costly to produce. We had tens of thousands of Shermans that were vastly inferiour to nearly any German tank but they could only produce a fraction of their tanks to meet us.
81 posted on 07/21/2003 10:24:51 PM PDT by Burkeman1 (If you see ten troubles comin down the road, Nine will run into the ditch before they reach you.)
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To: Southack
U.S. M2 Browning heavy machine gun .50 caliber circa 1920 (in use today as pictured).

"Come on! Get some!"

One of the great BMG movie roles -- When Michael Caine in one of the movies
based on a Peter Benchley novels ("The Island"?) overcomes his anti-gun instincts
and saves his son from pirates with a Twin Fifty.

Rock-n-Roll!
82 posted on 07/21/2003 10:25:08 PM PDT by VOA
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To: VOA
Feld Marschall Kesselring said that America could have had the same effect on Germany if they had bombed them with refrigerators. His point was that the unhindered industrial capacity of America allowed us to do whatever we wished with devestating results.
83 posted on 07/21/2003 10:27:29 PM PDT by WorkingClassFilth (Defund NPR, PBS and the LSC.)
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To: Burkeman1
Historical Order of Battle: US


1st Infantry Division
ORGANIZATION AND MOVEMENT OVERSEAS MAY 24-DEC 22, 1917 May 24 - War Department directs organization of the First Expeditionary Division (later designated 1st Division), Regular Army. The majority of the troops selected are in service near the Mexican border at Brownsville, Douglas, El Paso, San Benito, and Fts Bliss, Ringgold, and Sam Houston; others are at Washington Barracks and Ft Oglethorpe; new organizations join at the ports of embarkation.
COMPLETION OF ORGANIZATION IN FRANCE JULY 5, 1917-FEB 17, 1918 - July 5, the first contingent moves to 1st (Gondrecourt) Training Area, where the Div (less Arty) is ordered to assemble. At this time the First Expeditionary Division is redesignated the 1st Division, AEF. July 14, Div trains with the Fr 47th Div (Chasseurs).
TRAINING AND OPERATIONS OCT 19, 1917-NOV 11, 1918 - Oct 19, the artillery moves from Le Valdahon to the area of the Fr IX Corps (Fr Eighth Army) north of Luneville, and Oct 20 infantry battalions from Gondrecourt follow.
Oct 21-Nov 20, Div participates in occupation of Sommerviller Sector (Lorraine).
Jan 18-Feb 5, 1918, 1st Inf Brig, with 5 battalions of FA attached, participates in occupation of Ansauville Sector (Lorraine).
Feb 5-Apr 3, Div occupies Ansauville Sector (Lorraine).
Apr 27-June 8, Div occupies Cantigny Sector (Picardy).
June 9-13, Div participates in Montdidier-Noyon Defensive.
June 14-July 8, Div occupies Cantigny Sector (Picardy).
July 18-23, Div participates in Aisne-Marne Operation.
Aug 7-24, Div occupies Saizerais Sector (Lorraine).
Sept 8-11, Div occupies that part of Lucey Sector between Seicheprey and Marvoisin, known as the Ansauville Sector (Lorraine).
Sept 12-16, Div participates in St-Mihiel Operation.
Oct 1-13, Div participates in Mease-Argonne Operation.
84 posted on 07/21/2003 10:27:37 PM PDT by Southack (Media bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: VOA
Thankyou for the link!
85 posted on 07/21/2003 10:29:36 PM PDT by grapeape (Why is the word Marine always capitalized no matter what? Because they will eat you if you don't!)
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To: WorkingClassFilth
Actually, most of the German achievements you enumerate are either prototypes or copies of other devices, mostly American. I do agree with the estimation of the 88mm. however.
86 posted on 07/21/2003 10:30:03 PM PDT by elbucko
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To: WorkingClassFilth
"27) Enigma code generators which stumped all Allied attempts to break until an actual unit was captured. 28) Modern military camouflage. From the use of 'feldgrau' in WWI to the wide range of seasonal, theater, mission and unit specific patterns in WWII.
29) Butt-kicking style in uniforms that have induced millions of collectors across several generations.
And of course, 26) The original reason for the phrase: "Je me rends!"

First, see post #63. Second, consider that the Germans were completely outclassed by U.S. heavy bombers, U.S. mass production, U.S. cryptography, U.S. computers, and U.S. atomic weapons.

87 posted on 07/21/2003 10:30:33 PM PDT by Southack (Media bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: WorkingClassFilth
29) Butt-kicking style in uniforms that have induced millions of collectors across several generations.

Although I'm a fashion-free guy (like most American males), I've got to admit I liked the way they sort of were resurrected in Star Wars and also in
"Starship Troopers".
Those leather great-coats really make a statement.

I better stop now, otherwise I'll be getting an offer to appear on "Gay Eye for The Straight Guy",
or whatever the title of that "gay guys save straight male fashion victim.)
88 posted on 07/21/2003 10:32:13 PM PDT by VOA
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To: Southack
To bad our troops were using the French "Chau Chau" machine gun in WWI as it had a clip that was exposed and thus allowed mud and dirt to jam it and was near useless.
89 posted on 07/21/2003 10:32:20 PM PDT by Burkeman1 (If you see ten troubles comin down the road, Nine will run into the ditch before they reach you.)
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To: Plutarch
Are you sure that is not the TA-152?
90 posted on 07/21/2003 10:32:44 PM PDT by rmlew ("Millions for defense, but not one cent for tribute.")
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To: Burkeman1
"Apparently a modern army with technology that made our
army look like they were from the Civil War in the first engagements." - Burkeman1

Remains of German positions after their first encounter with U.S. forces at Seicheprey, April 1918.

91 posted on 07/21/2003 10:33:46 PM PDT by Southack (Media bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: elbucko
"Actually, most of the German achievements you enumerate are either prototypes or copies of other devices, mostly American."

How so?

Don't get me wrong, I'm not some Nazi worshipping revisionist, but, prototypes are inventions and derivations are inventions also.

Who invented radio? Marconi or Tesla?

The point is that American strengths laid in the industrial capacity behind the armed forces. In the realm of stretching the envelope, the Germans led the way.

Perhaps the greatest goal of the post war situation was to cature or recruit German technical minds.
92 posted on 07/21/2003 10:37:18 PM PDT by WorkingClassFilth (Defund NPR, PBS and the LSC.)
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To: Southack
You have been wrong several times on this thread.
A search engine is no substitute for an education.
93 posted on 07/21/2003 10:37:34 PM PDT by SunTzuWu
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To: SunTzuWu
Are those pesky facts getting in the way of your fanciful historical revisionism?!
94 posted on 07/21/2003 10:40:25 PM PDT by Southack (Media bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: WorkingClassFilth
Feld Marschall Kesselring said that America could have had the same effect on Germany

Thanks for the great quote. Sometimes Germans are actually funny.
But usually by accident!

A few times when I've heard some foreign friends complain about American industrial
or cultural domination, I tell them it's the fault of Hitler, Tojo and Mussolini.
Thanks to them, Americans learned how to coordinate take-off of many planes
from airfields and safely carry payloads long distances.
This was just the "on-the-job training" for running busy airports and moving millions of
bodys daily.

And thanks to Adolph, the pre-WWII plans to make French the international language of
airports around the world was drowned out by all the English being used...
95 posted on 07/21/2003 10:40:25 PM PDT by VOA
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To: Plutarch
Battle of Britain
96 posted on 07/21/2003 10:42:23 PM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: elbucko
Yes. I believe the Sherman had the nickname "Zippo"; it would light every time it was hit.
The term was Ronson Lighter as it "lights every time"
http://www.canadiansoldiers.com/ronson.htm
https://www.ronson.nl/pages_fr/ronsonhistory_en/historytekst_engelstalig_lite.html

However, I consider the best tank of World War 2 to be the Soviet T-34/85.
http://www.wwiivehicles.com/html/ussr/t34_85.html

97 posted on 07/21/2003 10:45:10 PM PDT by rmlew ("Millions for defense, but not one cent for tribute.")
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To: WorkingClassFilth
Perhaps the greatest goal of the post war situation was to capture or recruit German technical minds.

Perhaps. Oh the Krauts aren't dumb. They're great toy makers. But I know my history of technology (I am an engineer) and many of the contraptions you list were built upon other technology not, necessarily German. Many of these technological improvements were the result of metallurgy that made otherwise impossible designs, possible. Such as 24St Aluminum and the cantilever wing.

The real story is the productive might of the United states:

WW2 Aircraft Production Numbers

Country 1939 1940 1941 1942 1943 1944 1945
UK 7940 15049 20094 23672 26263 26461 12070
US 2141 6086 19433 47836 85898 96318 46001
USSR 10382 10565 15735 25436 34900 40300 20900 (I don't believe these figures for the Russians.
Germany 8295 10826 12401 15409 24807 40593 7540
Japan 4467 4768 5088 8861 16693 28180 8263

When the US goes from producing 2141 aircraft in 1939 to 46,001 in 1945, that's pretty impressive. And the planes weren't junk that the Germans were producing in 1944. BTW ask Gunther Rahl if he wanted to fly a 1944-45 Folke Wulfe? I've asked him. He didn't like the joke.

98 posted on 07/21/2003 10:56:09 PM PDT by elbucko
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To: rmlew
The term was Ronson Lighter as it "lights every time"

That's it! I stand corrected. However, I must defer to others when it comes to "mechanized cavalry". I prefer a real horse and another century.

99 posted on 07/21/2003 10:59:32 PM PDT by elbucko
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To: Husker24
These guys just started flight testing on the restorations of 4...
100 posted on 07/21/2003 11:00:00 PM PDT by Axenolith (Geese... Depositing democrats all over the lawn....)
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