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Fables Of Finance (Budget Deficit Myth)
INVESTOR'S BUSINESS DAILY ^ | Wednesday, July 16, 2003 | Editor

Posted on 07/16/2003 8:11:30 AM PDT by Isara

Budget: The budget deficit is expected to jump to $450 billion this year, causing some deficit hawks to warn of a growing "crisis." Sorry, but the crisis doesn't exist.

Those who fear the deficit seem surprisingly immune to any lessons from history.

For history shows that most of what we hear about the deficit is wrong. This deficit, in the truest sense, isn't a "record." It's not even close. This year the deficit will come in at about $455 billion, or 4.2% of GDP, which is the most meaningful way to measure spending gaps. How big is that? It doesn't even make the top five since 1980.

Yet we're repeatedly warned that record deficits will drive up interest rates. The logic behind that thought, while impeccable, isn't supported by reality.

Let's look at the record. At the start of the 1980s — another period of "record" deficits — the 10-year Treasury yield got as high as 15%.

Despite the continued presence of deficits, the 10-year sank to 8% by the end of the 1980s. Interest rates continued to fall during the 1990s. By 2000, the U.S. had triumphed, posting a record surplus. Yet the 10-year Treasury note was still over 6%.

Since then, the deficit has surged. So interest rates have surged too, right? Nope. Long rates are below 4%. It's pretty clear. If there is any link at all between deficits and interest rates, it's very weak.

But now that the White House, as one headline put it, "admits" to the "record" deficit, deficit foes say it's clear something has to be done. But what? In fact, what we're seeing right now is entirely normal. After an economic downturn, the deficit always gets worse.

It's a pattern that can be seen in each of the last three recessions. Since 1980, the deficit has averaged 4.5% of GDP in the year after the economy bottomed — just about where it is now.

The reason for this is simple. A shrinking economy brings in less money. So the government spends like crazy to make up the difference, and the deficit gets worse. But as the economy starts to grow again, the deficit-to-GDP ratio will shrink sharply. It always does.

We're not Pollyannas. We don't say deficits are good things. Or that the government should just spend without heed. It shouldn't.

But excessive fear of deficits is often used as a bludgeon against good ideas like tax cuts, which inarguably lead to higher growth and a healthier economy. Meanwhile, as those who oppose tax cuts wail, Congress is boosting spending at an 8% annual clip.

As President Bush's top economist, Stephen Friedman, has noted, just holding the line on that spending for a few years — letting it grow at a pace less than GDP — would cut the deficit to zero in a decade or so. That's the best way to erase the deficit.

In the meantime, relax. This is no record deficit. Back in 1943, during WWII, the deficit hit 30.3% of GDP. Now, that was a record.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Editorial; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: budgetdeficit; gdp; government; myth; spending
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For the straight record.

The chart may disappear when IBD updates their website.

1 posted on 07/16/2003 8:11:31 AM PDT by Isara
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To: jd777
Bump
2 posted on 07/16/2003 8:13:28 AM PDT by Phantom Lord (Distributor of Pain, Your Loss Becomes My Gain)
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To: Isara
1) The GDP figure is not truly meaningful.

2) Its absurd that we should indebt ourselves so much to pay for socialistic spending.
3 posted on 07/16/2003 8:18:00 AM PDT by Hermann the Cherusker
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To: Isara
I wish I had this yesterday when I was arguing with a liberal.
4 posted on 07/16/2003 8:25:21 AM PDT by MattinNJ (One fine, beautiful, sunny day in Havana, I will take a pi$$ on Castro's grave.)
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To: Hermann the Cherusker
1) The GDP figure is not truly meaningful.

How do you say that? It makes a BIG difference.

5 posted on 07/16/2003 8:26:49 AM PDT by cinFLA
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To: Hermann the Cherusker
2) Its absurd that we should indebt ourselves so much to pay for socialistic spending.

Did you respond to the editorial or just gave your opinion?

From the editorial,

"We're not Pollyannas. We don't say deficits are good things. Or that the government should just spend without heed. It shouldn't.

But excessive fear of deficits is often used as a bludgeon against good ideas like tax cuts, which inarguably lead to higher growth and a healthier economy. Meanwhile, as those who oppose tax cuts wail, Congress is boosting spending at an 8% annual clip."

6 posted on 07/16/2003 8:29:22 AM PDT by Isara
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To: cinFLA
The Gross Domestic Product is a made-up number that doesn't exist. Its just for tracking purposes (and it doesn't even track everything, because of the black economy). Its not "real". Its not "Final Sales" or "Personal Income" or anything so tangible.

Worse, using it to excuse this deficit is letting the government get away with spending way too much.

7 posted on 07/16/2003 8:32:53 AM PDT by Hermann the Cherusker
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To: Isara
TANSTAAFL!

The balancing factor to this logical conundrum(no apparent link between deficits and long rates) is the slow decline in the value of the U.S. dollar over the last 70 years.

A dollar now buys what a nickel did in the '30s, a dime in the '50s, or a quarter in the '70s.

So everything's not fine, after all.
8 posted on 07/16/2003 8:36:44 AM PDT by headsonpikes
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To: Isara
And how how about trade deficits? I suppose those don't matter either?

The cumulative debt of the United States is enormous. Enormous compared to our GDP. Far higher than you would want for your personal debt if you were to calculate how much business you do versus how much you owe. The only consolation I have is that many developed nation have worse finances
9 posted on 07/16/2003 8:39:22 AM PDT by dennisw (G-d is at war with Amalek for all generations)
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To: Hermann the Cherusker
The Gross Domestic Product is a made-up number that doesn't exist. Its just for tracking purposes (and it doesn't even track everything, because of the black economy). Its not "real". Its not "Final Sales" or "Personal Income" or anything so tangible.

Regardlless of whether the GDP means anything or nothing at all, there needs to be a benchmeark to measure the deficit against. Maybe the benchmark should be the deficit as a percentage of total revenues for the Federal Government. Without some sort of benchmark, the $450 billion "record deficit" is as stupid and meaningless as stating that a particular movie is the "highest grossing movie of all time," without adjusting the figure to equalize the price of a movie ticket.

10 posted on 07/16/2003 8:49:35 AM PDT by Labyrinthos
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To: Hermann the Cherusker
Worse, using it to excuse this deficit is letting the government get away with spending way too much.

Nothing of the such is being done. What is being done is informing people with information to use against leftists when they start ranting about "record" deficits.

11 posted on 07/16/2003 9:09:03 AM PDT by Phantom Lord (Distributor of Pain, Your Loss Becomes My Gain)
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To: headsonpikes
A dollar now buys what a nickel did in the '30s, a dime in the '50s, or a quarter in the '70s.

Inflation is a good thing, when it is small and under control. The last thing we want is deflation.

12 posted on 07/16/2003 9:10:48 AM PDT by Phantom Lord (Distributor of Pain, Your Loss Becomes My Gain)
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To: dennisw
Why is the trade deficit a bad thing?
13 posted on 07/16/2003 9:11:52 AM PDT by Phantom Lord (Distributor of Pain, Your Loss Becomes My Gain)
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To: Isara
BUMP....I just sent this to the mostly uninformed family and friends of mine who will vote for more DEMOCRATS IF I don't educate them.....and what would THAT do to the DEFICITS!!!!!
14 posted on 07/16/2003 9:25:48 AM PDT by goodnesswins (Become a monthly donor.....it's easy....it's so simple, it's elementary....am I getting redundant?)
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To: goodnesswins
I'm glad I can help, even a family at a time.
15 posted on 07/16/2003 9:29:53 AM PDT by Isara
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To: Phantom Lord
The trade deficit is a bad thing because you are told it is a bad thing. Just accept it as fact, and get with the program. Don't you remember when Japan, Inc. was buying-up New York? It was doing so with our dollars. The fact that we then bought New York back from them for pennies-on-the-dollar makes no difference. They are our dollars, you can't spend them; because if you do, then they won't be yours anymore.
16 posted on 07/16/2003 9:32:32 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Labyrinthos
Regardlless of whether the GDP means anything or nothing at all, there needs to be a benchmeark to measure the deficit against. Maybe the benchmark should be the deficit as a percentage of total revenues for the Federal Government. Without some sort of benchmark, the $450 billion "record deficit" is as stupid and meaningless as stating that a particular movie is the "highest grossing movie of all time," without adjusting the figure to equalize the price of a movie ticket.

The critical benchmark is the Gross Federal Debt as a percentage of GDP. The main significance of the deficit is simply that it is added on to the debt. It is the debt, not the deficit, that our children and grandchildren will have to pay interest on forever. You can see a graph of this benchmark at http://home.netcom.com/~rdavis2/debt40.html. This is from the Budget released last February so the future outlook is now somewhat worse. Still, even this graph shows that the debt to GDP ratio is rising. In addition, this does not account for the pressures that will be caused by the retirement of the Boomers. That can be seen in the government's own long-term projections shown at http://home.netcom.com/~rdavis2/pro2004.html.

17 posted on 07/16/2003 9:37:58 AM PDT by remember
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To: Isara
For the straight record.

Another, Don't believe your lying eye's, believe what I'm telling you stories. Of course the deficit matter's, it's called spending more than you're worth. It's called sinking my kid's and grandkid's in debt up to their ass. The bill will come due.

SFR

18 posted on 07/16/2003 9:40:19 AM PDT by SoFarRight
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To: Hermann the Cherusker
Its absurd that we should indebt ourselves so much to pay for socialistic spending.

Deficit spending is the least cost method to stop socialism and eventually reverse it. Conservatives don't have the votes to reduce government spending directly. Instead we have to use political judo to get the spenders to run out of funds. Only then can you get socialists to vote for smaller government. California is a current example of this process. The socialists are being forced to vote for spending cuts and government layoffs, something totally against their nature.

19 posted on 07/16/2003 9:42:21 AM PDT by Reeses
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To: SoFarRight
Again, from the editorial,

"We're not Pollyannas. We don't say deficits are good things. Or that the government should just spend without heed. It shouldn't.

But excessive fear of deficits is often used as a bludgeon against good ideas like tax cuts, which inarguably lead to higher growth and a healthier economy. Meanwhile, as those who oppose tax cuts wail, Congress is boosting spending at an 8% annual clip."

20 posted on 07/16/2003 9:43:50 AM PDT by Isara
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