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Genetic evidence links Jews to their ancient tribe
Jerusalem Post (originally) ^ | November 20, 2002 | Judy Siegel

Posted on 04/11/2003 5:14:00 AM PDT by Asher

Genetic evidence links Jews to their ancient tribe

By Judy Siegel

JERUSALEM (November 20) - Genetic evidence continues to provide additional proof to the claims that the Jewish people are descended from a common ancient Israelite father: Despite being separated for over 1,000 years, Sephardi Jews of North African origin are genetically indistinguishable from their brethren from Iraq, according to The Hebrew University of Jerusalem.

They also proved that Sephardi Jews are very close genetically to the Jews of Kurdistan, and only slight differences exist between these two groups and Ashkenazi Jews from Europe.

These conclusions are reached in an article published recently in the American Journal of Human Genetics and written by Prof. Ariella Oppenheim of the Hebrew University (HU) and Hadassah-University Hospital in Ein Kerem.

Others involved are German doctoral student Almut Nebel, Dr. Marina Faerman of HU, Dr. Dvora Filon of Hadassah-University Hospital, and other colleagues from Germany and India.

The researchers conducted blood tests of Ashkenazi, Sephardi and Kurdish Jews and examined their Y chromosomes, which are carried only by males. They then compared them with those of various Arab groups - Palestinians, Beduins, Jordanians, Syrians and Lebanese - as well as to non-Arab populations from Transcaucasia - Turks, Armenians and Moslem Kurds.

The study is based on 526 Y chromosomes typed by the Israeli team and additional data on 1,321 individuals from 12 populations. The typing of the Jewish groups was performed at the National Genome Center at HU's Silberman Institute of Life Sciences.

The Fertile Crescent of the Middle East was one of the few centers in which the transition from hunting-gathering to permanent settlement and agriculture took place. Genetic studies suggest that migrating Neolithic farmers dispersed their technological innovations and domesticated animals from the Middle East towards Europe, North Africa and Southwest Asia.

Studies of Y chromosomes have become powerful tools for the investigation of the genetic history of males, since these chromosomes are transmitted from fathers to sons.

Surprisingly, the study shows a closer genetic affinity by Jews to the non-Jewish, non-Arab populations in the northern part of the Middle East than to Arabs. These findings are consistent with known cultural links that existed among populations in the Fertile Crescent in early history, and indicate that the Jews are direct descendants of the early Middle Eastern core populations, which later divided into distinct ethnic groups speaking different languages.

Previous investigations by the HU researchers suggested a common origin for Jewish and non-Jewish populations living in the Middle East. The current study refines and delineates that connection.

It is believed that the majority of today's Jews - not including converts and non-Jews with whom Jews intermarried - descended from the ancient Israelis that lived in the historic Land of Israel until the destruction of the Second Temple and their dispersal into the Diaspora.

The researchers say that a genetic analysis of the chromosomes of Jews from various countries show that there was practically no genetic intermixing between them and the host populations among which they were scattered during their dispersion - whether in Eastern Europe, Spain, Portugal or North Africa.

A particularly intriguing case illustrating this is that of the Kurdish Jews, said to be the descendants of the Ten Tribes of Israel who were exiled in 723 BCE. to the area known today as Kurdistan, located in Northern Iraq, Iran and Eastern Turkey. They continued to live there as a separate entity until their immigration to Israel in the 1950s. The Kurdish Jews of today show a much greater affinity to their fellow Jews elsewhere than to the Kurdish Moslems.

(Source: The Jerusalem Post Newspaper)


TOPICS: Front Page News; Israel; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aharon; ancienthistory; ashkenazi; genetics; godsgravesglyphs; helixmakemineadouble; kohanim; kurdishjews; levites; losttribes; sephardi
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To: DensaMensa
I think these are two key paragraphs:




Authentic meekness or humility is not something that one can learn, emulate, or pick up at school. It is the dividend of God out of the measure of actual, real relationship with Him. It is the revelation of God as He is and the unutterable depths of it, that bring a man to this kind of awareness of himself. The revelation of what we are is altogether related to the revelation of who He is. The two things then necessarily always go together.


Then I (Isaiah) said, ‘Woe is me, for I am ruined! Because I am a man of unclean lips, and I live among a people of unclean lips; for my eyes have seen the King, the LORD of hosts’ (Isaiah 6:5).
101 posted on 04/11/2003 3:10:13 PM PDT by Quix (QUALITY RESRCH STDY BTWN BK WAR N PEACE VS BIBLE RE BIBLE CODES AT MAR BIBLECODESDIGEST.COM)
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To: Asher
I just wanted to say that I found this article interesting.
102 posted on 04/11/2003 3:11:52 PM PDT by cpprfld
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To: Quix
Only brought to your attention about Dan and Ephrian.

You are correct that our Heavenly Father will do whatever he chooses.

Point is that this sealing is a specific time, Dan is left out.

Never meant to say Dan is left out forever, just this specific event.

He will in fact be brought back at a future time. What to me is important what is Written that Dan did so as not to do the same thing.
103 posted on 04/11/2003 3:24:30 PM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: Asher
"Despite being separated for over 1,000 years, Sephardi Jews of North African origin are genetically indistinguishable from their brethren from Iraq, according to The Hebrew University of Jerusalem."

Very interesting.

"..A Syrian and ready to perish was my father,..." (De 26:5)

104 posted on 04/11/2003 3:51:16 PM PDT by nightdriver
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To: Quix

105 posted on 04/11/2003 4:11:13 PM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorisim by visiting www.johnathangaltfilms.com)
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To: Destro
Do you also love it when science disproves the Bible? Science is a two edged sword.

Speaking as a multi-degreed professional scientist myself, "Science," defined as the study of facts which can be known and tested, has yet to disprove anything which appears in the Bible, particularly where genetics is concerned.

Actually, where evolutionists strain for postulate relevance, failing to find any of the needed missing links to make their applications of genetic mutative fantasy remotely possible, many like the eminent (formerly of Harvard and formerly of this World--i.e., now deceased) Stephan J. Gould simply gave up and floated the equally unconvincing postulate of "punctuated equilibrium." James Watson, the attributed discoverer of the DNA helix is still in search of the evidence for an extraterrestrial panspermia to explain what evolution fails scientifically to explain to him.

I'll agree with Watson in part, that the Creator I recognize is extraterrestrial, but I am also more inclined to say omnipresent rathern than merely extraterrestrial. A Creator in my view would be greater than any one thing such a Creator created.

The Creator in Bible is quoted an described as having created everything to reproduce "after its kind." No scientific dispute there. Ernst Haekel and his embryonic fish-to-man models, on the other hand, were demonstrated to be the frauds they were even as he tried to invent a point that he knew he couldn't demonstrate. The facts just got in the way. Unfortunately that didn't stop Haekel and unfortunately doesn't seem to matter to some who call themselves "scientists."

Remember that Scientific study is the study of facts approached in an honest and objective fashion, not merely contrived postulates that willingly ignore objective facts that don't support the postulate.

By stating the "challenge" as you do, you reveal that you fail to understand reasoning which utilizes applications of scientific principles. "Science is a two-edged sword" is an interesting metaphor, but it is your postulate that science some how disproves the Bible at all that is the statement which is really "under the knife" and in serious need of some "exploratory surgery."

To acquire such a reasoning prowess, one must be willing to become founded first in a desire for objective study of facts and approach the study with a honest inquiry and let the facts manifest themselves. Where honesty is concerned a scientist must be honest with himself also, and willing to admit at the outset that 3.5 lbs of his grey mater is by definition limited in it's capacity to know all.

If you set up the straw man like that, it is up to you to produce the facts. Absent that, yours is merely a provocative throw-away challenge as much in search of relevance as it is in search of cleverness.

Pass the scalpel, please.

106 posted on 04/11/2003 4:19:44 PM PDT by Agamemnon
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To: Agamemnon
All I am saying is that if you base beleif of the Bible based on what science says then you have a different view of what faith is.
107 posted on 04/11/2003 4:43:26 PM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorisim by visiting www.johnathangaltfilms.com)
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To: Destro
Surely you don't let PBS (Public Broadcasting System) serve as your reference on matters of Theology, do you? You jest!
108 posted on 04/11/2003 5:12:20 PM PDT by DensaMensa (He who controls the definitions controls History. He who controls History controls the future.)
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To: DensaMensa
PBS's FRONTLINE was interviewing a Biblical scholar that touched on the theology and history of the Book of Revelations in an accessible way.
109 posted on 04/11/2003 6:19:16 PM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorisim by visiting www.johnathangaltfilms.com)
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To: Destro
I read most all of your long ref.

I was far less impressed than I was prepared to be.

It felt like wood, hay and stubble in my spirit . . . chaff.

Whether little or much, the author's knowledge appears to have done him little good in terms of what I would construe as authentic understanding.

I feel he's missed the boat by several light years at best.

But, he will likely live long enough to realize he's stuck his foot in his mouth or stomped on his typing finger or some such.

God still delights in showing man's wisdom to be utter folly alongside the foolishness of God.

Oh, it comes across quite scholarly. I just don't have a lot of respect for scholarly fools.

One of my puzzles I trust God will answer in due time is this 2,000 years SOON/NEAR. But given a thousand years is as a day to The Lord, I suspect He will have at least that much of an 'out.'

In any case, the author of your REF seems overly impressed by his own research, perspective, biases. It's comforting that those don't impress God at all.

God has been confounding such scholars for many centuries with the plain, unadulterated, unrationalized and explained away, Living Word of God Almighty. He shall continue to do so and more, probably, in our age than in all of the other earlier ages put together.

I am so thankful that I have the horse sense to see the Biblical prophecies coming true week after week in the headlines of many newspapers.

Having studied prophecy since Jr High, it's exciting to see the graph curve up ever steeper and steeper in terms of the number of data points and the number of prophecies those data points are referring to connecting daily life to Scripture.

Besides, I love it when smug scholars get shown a few things by Holy Spirit and our Resurrected Lord.

110 posted on 04/11/2003 6:56:26 PM PDT by Quix (QUALITY RESRCH STDY BTWN BK WAR N PEACE VS BIBLE RE BIBLE CODES AT MAR BIBLECODESDIGEST.COM)
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To: fishtank
Yep 20,000 Assyrian tablets can't be wrong!! That's all the 'Jews aren't really Jews' group has. Well that and misinterpretation of God's Holy Word. Never mind the DNA that comes from God Almighty that proves to us the chosen people are right where they're supposed to be. Some would rather rework the Bible to fit their own racist views and deny the fact that science again proved the Bible right
111 posted on 04/11/2003 7:03:11 PM PDT by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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To: billbears
}Yep 20,000 Assyrian tablets can't be wrong!! That's all the 'Jews aren't really Jews' group has. Well that and misinterpretation of God's Holy Word.

I have never seen a post on FR that says "Jews aren't really Jews" associated with the Assyrian records in the British Museum (I presume that's what you are referring to). It is you who is choosing to misinterpret and spin what others have said here in order to make your own noise. What is it God says about bearing false witness?

112 posted on 04/11/2003 7:22:55 PM PDT by DensaMensa (He who controls the definitions controls History. He who controls History controls the future.)
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To: Destro
}PBS's FRONTLINE was interviewing a Biblical scholar that touched on the theology and history of the Book of Revelations in an accessible way.

You may not be aware that the American PBS makes a habit of interviewing it's own "experts" to ensure it's desired outcome. PBS is never quoted as authority in serious circles.

113 posted on 04/11/2003 7:25:29 PM PDT by DensaMensa (He who controls the definitions controls History. He who controls History controls the future.)
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To: DensaMensa
Hmmmm, I know exactly what God says about false witness. But to back up my claim I suggest you may want to click Here and Here and Here.

That's just from one thread. And there were many more in the past year. The point I was making is that this scientific proof disproves the crackpots with the 20,000 Assyrian tablets theme. Which BTW, when you trace back some of their links come to some rather disturbing and racist sites.

So yes, I do know what the Bible says about false witness. However in this case, I was not presenting false witness. I was ridiculing facts (at least presented as facts) from previous threads

114 posted on 04/11/2003 7:57:06 PM PDT by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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To: DensaMensa
The quote above shows the authors inherent bias. Everyone know that Jews did not descent from the Ten (Lost) Tribes of Israel. The rest of the article is also breathless fiction.

Ah, but I see from your reply in #58 to another poster, you've decided to junk scientific fact for another explanation. So just who is this 'everyone' you mention BTW? Surely not LostTribe. Tell us, which are the 'good' Jews and which ones should I stay away from? You can package it anyway you want but your 'cause' is showing through. That's not false witness either. That's an observation

115 posted on 04/11/2003 8:05:57 PM PDT by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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To: billbears
}Yep 20,000 Assyrian tablets can't be wrong!! That's all the 'Jews aren't really Jews' group has. Well that and misinterpretation of God's Holy Word.

I checked each of your links and find each of them unrelated to your claim. YOU ARE AGAIN JUST BLOWING SMOKE!

What is it that God says about bearing false witness???

116 posted on 04/11/2003 8:55:00 PM PDT by DensaMensa (He who controls the definitions controls History. He who controls History controls the future.)
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To: DensaMensa
LOL!!! Do you want me to post it? Very well
Ulitimately, all history has to be re-constructed with the best evidence we can muster, but we must not be shy about changing our constructions as new evidence becomes available. Lots of new evidence has become available about The Lost Tribes of Israel in recent years.

The translation of the 23,000+ Assyrian Tablets in the British Museum has cast dramatic new light on what happened in Assyria during and after the Northern Kingdom captivity there. It's now time to seriously reconstruct our history of that time in the light of that stunning evidence.

Here

Now it is well known by 'everyone' (everyone being many here at FR, see I have a group to associate everyone with unlike your 'everyone' group) that the poster in reference spent invaluable time trying to prove that the 20,000 Assyrian tablets somehow 'proved' that the Jews of today weren't really the Jews of then. As this evidence from this article has scientifically proven that is a false claim. Now either science has proven the Bible correct again or I am supposed to believe stone tablets from God knows when written in a foreign land about the Jewish people, but not by the Jewish people, as some sort of Gospel that transcends the Holy Bible? Hmmmmm, Bible or pieces of broken tablets from Assyria

So DensaMensa since I am using the posters own words as evidence of the group of which he was known to represent, I can't very well see how I'm bearing false witness of anyone. I take the Word of God as the Word of God, infallible. Not having to look at different translations to get the meaning I want out of it. You on the other hand I don't know since you haven't provided evidence. You'd make a good neocon you would. Calling names instead of presenting arguments. Ah, but neocons (along with a few paleocons like myself) fully support the existence and right of Israel to exist. Not because it's their homeland, not because it seems like the right thing to do, but because God Almighty promised it to Abraham in the Old Testament.

Tell me Densa, do you support the right of Israel to exist and protect their land?

117 posted on 04/11/2003 9:14:15 PM PDT by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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To: DensaMensa
Of course we could go right to the link provided by the poster above to get the gist and meaning of what he was talking about

Artisan Publishers

And what do you know?!? Right Here we have a double talk book (although not the exact one referenced) saying that Jews aren't really Jews. Imagine that!! On the same site as a bunch of books about Assyrian tablets saying the same thing. So by inference, we can logically conclude that is the exact thing the poster was aiming at. Yeah, but I'm bearing false witness. Try again.

118 posted on 04/11/2003 9:21:40 PM PDT by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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To: billbears
God promised the land to Abraham. But what does private property have to do with the sovereign of the land? And besides when the New Testament came about the old covenant was turned null and void.
119 posted on 04/11/2003 9:22:00 PM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorisim by visiting www.johnathangaltfilms.com)
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To: DensaMensa; Quix
Actually I kind of ignore Protestantism interpretations of the Bible. The original Christian Fathers and the 7 councils are all I or anyone else needs to understand Christianity, the rest is hayseed religion.
120 posted on 04/11/2003 9:25:06 PM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorisim by visiting www.johnathangaltfilms.com)
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