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Thune holds off on recount (chad checking a possibility)
Rapid City (SD) Journal ^ | 11-07-02 | Denise Ross

Posted on 11/07/2002 12:56:40 PM PST by jwalburg

Narrowly defeated Republican Senate candidate John Thune has postponed a decision about whether to call for a recount after unofficial vote returns showed him losing to incumbent Democrat Tim Johnson by less than two-fifths of a percentage point.

Thune, South Dakota's three-term congressman, said he will await the outcome of the official statewide vote canvass on Tuesday, Nov. 12, to see whether Johnson's 528-vote lead erodes.

"The numbers are in, and we came up a little bit short. I don't anticipate a change," Thune said when he addressed reporters early Wednesday afternoon. "We'll wait and see."

State law allows for a recount if the margin is within one-fourth of 1 percent. Thune would have until Friday, Nov. 15, to request a recount.

The final tally was 167,477 votes for Johnson and 166,949 for Thune. Libertarian Kurt Evans, who had dropped out of the race, drew 3,071 votes.

Thune, 41, and Johnson, 55, watched see-saw returns roll in throughout the night as counting was held up by equipment problems in two counties and other precincts simply took all or most of the night to count votes.

By 2 a.m., Thune held a fairly commanding lead of more than 3,000 votes.

By sunrise, Johnson had made up the ground and edged ahead.

"At about 3 in the morning, I went back and got about an hour's worth of sleep," Johnson said. "It was not looking as good as I would have liked. Our lead had completely eroded away. We also knew which precincts were left and knew John's lead wasn't insurmountable."

Johnson's wife, Barb, woke him to tell him the gap had narrowed to about 500 votes, he said. "I could see not much room for error," he said.

Counties have until Friday, Nov. 8, to tally each precinct total into a countywide total. Secretary of state officials will add county totals to arrive at an official statewide total Tuesday. Any recount would convene with a three-member recount board in each county on Monday, Nov. 25.

Although Thune said he doesn't expect things to change and won't pursue a formal recount unless "absolutely necessary," he stopped short of conceding the race and said he's keeping his options open.

"We're hoping for a math error," Thune said. "I can't say at this point I'm ruling out any option."

Thune called Johnson on Wednesday morning to congratulate him on his apparent victory.

"He said he did want to take a look at the canvass, and I respect that," Johnson said. "He has every right to do that. We agreed the likelihood of there being a 500-vote problem in a canvass isn't very high."

In addition to a recount, a variety of legal challenges are possible, although no specific situations were publicly in play by Wednesday afternoon. State law sets a Monday, Nov. 18, deadline for someone to legally contest the election results.

On Tuesday, the Todd County auditor asked a judge for an injunction to delay the counting of votes due to confusion over which hours the polls were to be open. However, the judge denied the request, and the votes were counted, Secretary of State-elect Chris Nelson said.

"End of story," Nelson said.

Nelson, the state's longtime elections supervisor, said he knew of no other reports of voting irregularities beyond a few unfounded rumors floating around Wednesday.

Democratic officials were aware of a few dozen voters from Pine Ridge who might have been denied the right to vote, but they ran out of time Tuesday to locate copies of the would-be voters' registration cards, a spokeswoman said.

It was the vote from Shannon County - where returns were completely unavailable until after 2 a.m. - that helped Johnson squeak through. Democrats launched massive voter-registration and get-out-the-vote efforts statewide and concentrated on South Dakota's Indian reservations, where voters lean heavily Democratic. On Tuesday, 2,856 Pine Ridge Indian Reservation voters in Shannon County, 92 percent, cast votes for Johnson.

"This was a major step forward for the native vote in this state. But when you win by 500 votes, everybody can take some credit for it," Johnson said. "We work every county in the state hard. We wrung every vote out that we could."

Thune, too, recognized the record level of campaign volunteers and high voter turnout.

"We saw literally thousands of people get involved in the political process that never have been involved before," Thune said.

Thune will decide next week whether any as-yet-unformed county recount boards get involved.

If a recount is requested, the presiding judges in South Dakota's seven state-court circuits would appoint a three-member recount board for each of the counties in their purview, Nelson said. Under state law, each board would consist of one Republican, one Democrat and an attorney belonging to the political party that carried that county in the 1998 governor's race.

The boards would convene Monday, Nov. 25, and have no deadline to complete their work. Board members would examine each ballot physically, looking for an official ballot stamp and any irregularities. State law spells out how to identify and handle various kinds of disputed ballots, he said. The law sets up a two-person resolution board to examine ballots that machines have trouble counting, he said.

The group would decide whether to count the ballots by hand or, in the case of optical-scan and punch-card ballots, by machine, Nelson said.

Work could take weeks in the state's largest counties, where only three people would do all the work. In Pennington County, 35,976 ballots were cast; in Minnehaha County, 65,538.

"Those folks will have a large job," Nelson said.

A recount for one of South Dakota's federal offices is not unprecedented. The three most recent examples each had a Democrat narrowly defeating a Republican.

In 1978, then-Congressman Tom Daschle defeated Leo Thorsness, ultimately by 139 votes, in the state's former first congressional district in eastern South Dakota. Daschle took his seat in the U.S. House while awaiting the results of the recount.

In 1962, Sen. George McGovern narrowly defeated Joe Bottum, and Bottum alleged voting irregularities. The Rapid City Journal quoted him as noting "registrations at the polls of persons not qualified to vote." Bottum referred to construction workers working at Ellsworth Air Force Base who did not meet the state's one-year residency requirement.

In that recount, hundreds of ballots ended up changing in both directions.

In 1937, Democrat Clair Roddewig defeated Republican Sterling Clark by 376 votes.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: South Dakota
KEYWORDS: ballots; election; evans; johnson; johnthune; kurtevans; libertarian; recount; thune; timjohnson
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To: SoDak
If you have a beatiful state, you have RINOS. They migrate in to take over and many claim to be Republicans...until they actually are faced with voting for a real one.
61 posted on 11/07/2002 2:06:55 PM PST by ApesForEvolution
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To: Freee-dame
That's exactly what I believe this boils down to...
62 posted on 11/07/2002 2:08:09 PM PST by ApesForEvolution
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To: scannell
If we don't go after voter fraud as strongly as corporate fraud (arrests and punishment), then what message are we sending and what future do we really have??
63 posted on 11/07/2002 2:09:26 PM PST by ApesForEvolution
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To: RedWing9
Who are all these "give up, it show's class" types posting on this forum? It's getting a little 'moderate' in here...

Yeah, lots of newbies who say 'we' a lot while offering helpful advice that goes against our best interests.

Red flag city...

64 posted on 11/07/2002 2:12:13 PM PST by Interesting Times
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To: ThinkingMan
That's exactly it. Pubbies won everything except this race. When I heard yesterday morning, after going to bed at 4AM with the lead, I felt like someone ran me over. I've had it with the RINO's in this state, they are either with us, or against us. Tony Dean should be run out on a rail. I'm preparing a dandy letter to that SOB.
65 posted on 11/07/2002 2:13:18 PM PST by SoDak
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To: Tree of Liberty
Friends of mine in South Dakota tell me that Janklow, as of this point, has been "chosen" as the strongest candidate to run against Daschle. Janklow enjoys wide-spread support in South Dakota having been Governor twice.
66 posted on 11/07/2002 2:13:26 PM PST by justshe
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To: ApesForEvolution
I think Thune had alot of class by not pounding the table and demanding on-the-spot recounts like the Democounts. Of course vote fraud should be exposed and prosecuted. Frankly I think vote fraud should carry the death penalty.
67 posted on 11/07/2002 2:22:19 PM PST by MrPeanut
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To: jwalburg
The final tally was 167,477 votes for Johnson and 166,949 for Thune. Libertarian Kurt Evans, who had dropped out of the race, drew 3,071 votes.

Ouch. That's the margin.

68 posted on 11/07/2002 2:32:00 PM PST by pabianice
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To: Interesting Times
If you can conclusively prove fraud occurred, contest the results. Otherwise, it is wise to just give it up. We have the majority and will increase it if we win La.
69 posted on 11/07/2002 2:35:13 PM PST by rwfromkansas
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To: jwalburg
The Pubbies should find out if there is some type of fraud occuring on these reservations. The Feds already arrested one Indian "contract worker" for the Dems for registering illegal Indian voters. What is going to happen to her? Let me guess; nothing. The voting of 2800 Indians in Shannon County sounds like blatant buying of votes. Probably cost them 2800 fifths of whiskey. The Pubbies have to stop the fraud in all states.

If Johnson won fair and square, then fine, we'll get him next time.

70 posted on 11/07/2002 2:54:34 PM PST by LaGrone
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To: LaGrone
I think the issue here is education of the Indians since that is where all the questionable ballots would come from...it seems like Republicans have their work cut out to help Indians become more self-sufficient and less likely to be taken in by democrat operatives...But also knowing this, I am also aware that democrats (especially to save Tom Daschle embarrassment) would do ANYTHING to rig an election and hiding voter fraud on the reservation seems very likely!
71 posted on 11/07/2002 3:22:16 PM PST by princess leah
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To: princess leah
I have another thing to say: How is it that Indians can live on their reservations, PAY NO TAXES, yet get the right to vote as we TAXPAYERS do? This does not seem to like up in my mind?
72 posted on 11/07/2002 3:24:28 PM PST by princess leah
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To: SoDak; All
I agree with you on Tony Dean and the Rinos. I've heard of lots of people who voted for Johnson to keep Daschle in power. Hope they are happy.

I also think the fraud on the Rez is true, not a rumor. I know people who worked the polls there and they said they've never seen anything like it. Among other things, I do think the Dems bribed voters. I've also heard the reason the registration numbers were so inflated is because they bused people in, let them live there a couple of months, then registered them.

I also know four people who got actual absentee ballots in the mail that they didn't request, some for people that didn't exist. That's just in my circle of acquaintences, so there are probably many more floating around as well. They also caught more questionable absentee ballots at the polls (there were 79 fake ballot requests caught before the election in my county alone.)

I talked to my parents today, who still live on the Rez. They think that all of this is being quietly investigated and that Thune won't push to have a recount because he will go after Daschle in 2004. I think people who don't live in this state don't understand how delicate an issue this is. If the Republicans try for a recount or an investigation the Dems will play the race card like you won't believe. There is a lot of racial tension here, and I think the Dems will not hesitate to use that to their advantage.

I'm not saying they shouldn't do something about the fraud, they have to, but they have to be very careful how they go about it. Just my opinion.
73 posted on 11/07/2002 3:27:11 PM PST by tamikamaria
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To: ThinkingMan
I appreciate the work you guys did up there. It was a tough one and Thune almost pulled it off. Personally, I think there's got to be some quo to all that quid that flowed to Johnson from the Indian Reservations but there were more than enough Republicans to put Thune over the top.

I suspect they fell for the "we'll have more power to bring the sheckles home with Tiny Tom and I in the majority".

The irony here is that South Dakota is now in the same shape as Rhode Island. Two democrat senators in a totally Republican Administration.

74 posted on 11/07/2002 3:30:57 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: LaGrone
They did charge that woman. I read she wrote a letter to John Ashcroft, begging for help or mercy or whatever. When none was forthcoming, she started singing like a canary. She said the Democratic party directly oversaw her work (therefore they knew what she was up to and approved of it until she got caught.) Maybe they'll give her a deal in return for the names of her co-conspiritors...
75 posted on 11/07/2002 3:31:52 PM PST by tamikamaria
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To: princess leah
They pay income tax.
76 posted on 11/07/2002 3:32:36 PM PST by tamikamaria
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To: pabianice
Don't start, the Libertarians are HAPPY that they helped elect a socialist.
77 posted on 11/07/2002 3:33:57 PM PST by Republic of Texas
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To: jwalburg
Bump
To read later
78 posted on 11/07/2002 3:34:39 PM PST by Fiddlstix
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To: jwalburg
RECOUNT! STOP DEM VOTE FRAUD! Anyone have the number to Thune's campaign office?
79 posted on 11/07/2002 3:39:11 PM PST by mysonsfuture
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To: jwalburg
We agreed the likelihood of there being a 500-vote problem in a canvass isn't very high."

Thats a pretty weak thing to say.

The fraud was blatant and obvious.

If he doesn't have the stones to challenge it in court, he deserves to get ripped off.

NICE GUYS FINISH LAST.

80 posted on 11/07/2002 3:40:08 PM PST by Rome2000
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