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Thune holds off on recount (chad checking a possibility)
Rapid City (SD) Journal ^ | 11-07-02 | Denise Ross

Posted on 11/07/2002 12:56:40 PM PST by jwalburg

Narrowly defeated Republican Senate candidate John Thune has postponed a decision about whether to call for a recount after unofficial vote returns showed him losing to incumbent Democrat Tim Johnson by less than two-fifths of a percentage point.

Thune, South Dakota's three-term congressman, said he will await the outcome of the official statewide vote canvass on Tuesday, Nov. 12, to see whether Johnson's 528-vote lead erodes.

"The numbers are in, and we came up a little bit short. I don't anticipate a change," Thune said when he addressed reporters early Wednesday afternoon. "We'll wait and see."

State law allows for a recount if the margin is within one-fourth of 1 percent. Thune would have until Friday, Nov. 15, to request a recount.

The final tally was 167,477 votes for Johnson and 166,949 for Thune. Libertarian Kurt Evans, who had dropped out of the race, drew 3,071 votes.

Thune, 41, and Johnson, 55, watched see-saw returns roll in throughout the night as counting was held up by equipment problems in two counties and other precincts simply took all or most of the night to count votes.

By 2 a.m., Thune held a fairly commanding lead of more than 3,000 votes.

By sunrise, Johnson had made up the ground and edged ahead.

"At about 3 in the morning, I went back and got about an hour's worth of sleep," Johnson said. "It was not looking as good as I would have liked. Our lead had completely eroded away. We also knew which precincts were left and knew John's lead wasn't insurmountable."

Johnson's wife, Barb, woke him to tell him the gap had narrowed to about 500 votes, he said. "I could see not much room for error," he said.

Counties have until Friday, Nov. 8, to tally each precinct total into a countywide total. Secretary of state officials will add county totals to arrive at an official statewide total Tuesday. Any recount would convene with a three-member recount board in each county on Monday, Nov. 25.

Although Thune said he doesn't expect things to change and won't pursue a formal recount unless "absolutely necessary," he stopped short of conceding the race and said he's keeping his options open.

"We're hoping for a math error," Thune said. "I can't say at this point I'm ruling out any option."

Thune called Johnson on Wednesday morning to congratulate him on his apparent victory.

"He said he did want to take a look at the canvass, and I respect that," Johnson said. "He has every right to do that. We agreed the likelihood of there being a 500-vote problem in a canvass isn't very high."

In addition to a recount, a variety of legal challenges are possible, although no specific situations were publicly in play by Wednesday afternoon. State law sets a Monday, Nov. 18, deadline for someone to legally contest the election results.

On Tuesday, the Todd County auditor asked a judge for an injunction to delay the counting of votes due to confusion over which hours the polls were to be open. However, the judge denied the request, and the votes were counted, Secretary of State-elect Chris Nelson said.

"End of story," Nelson said.

Nelson, the state's longtime elections supervisor, said he knew of no other reports of voting irregularities beyond a few unfounded rumors floating around Wednesday.

Democratic officials were aware of a few dozen voters from Pine Ridge who might have been denied the right to vote, but they ran out of time Tuesday to locate copies of the would-be voters' registration cards, a spokeswoman said.

It was the vote from Shannon County - where returns were completely unavailable until after 2 a.m. - that helped Johnson squeak through. Democrats launched massive voter-registration and get-out-the-vote efforts statewide and concentrated on South Dakota's Indian reservations, where voters lean heavily Democratic. On Tuesday, 2,856 Pine Ridge Indian Reservation voters in Shannon County, 92 percent, cast votes for Johnson.

"This was a major step forward for the native vote in this state. But when you win by 500 votes, everybody can take some credit for it," Johnson said. "We work every county in the state hard. We wrung every vote out that we could."

Thune, too, recognized the record level of campaign volunteers and high voter turnout.

"We saw literally thousands of people get involved in the political process that never have been involved before," Thune said.

Thune will decide next week whether any as-yet-unformed county recount boards get involved.

If a recount is requested, the presiding judges in South Dakota's seven state-court circuits would appoint a three-member recount board for each of the counties in their purview, Nelson said. Under state law, each board would consist of one Republican, one Democrat and an attorney belonging to the political party that carried that county in the 1998 governor's race.

The boards would convene Monday, Nov. 25, and have no deadline to complete their work. Board members would examine each ballot physically, looking for an official ballot stamp and any irregularities. State law spells out how to identify and handle various kinds of disputed ballots, he said. The law sets up a two-person resolution board to examine ballots that machines have trouble counting, he said.

The group would decide whether to count the ballots by hand or, in the case of optical-scan and punch-card ballots, by machine, Nelson said.

Work could take weeks in the state's largest counties, where only three people would do all the work. In Pennington County, 35,976 ballots were cast; in Minnehaha County, 65,538.

"Those folks will have a large job," Nelson said.

A recount for one of South Dakota's federal offices is not unprecedented. The three most recent examples each had a Democrat narrowly defeating a Republican.

In 1978, then-Congressman Tom Daschle defeated Leo Thorsness, ultimately by 139 votes, in the state's former first congressional district in eastern South Dakota. Daschle took his seat in the U.S. House while awaiting the results of the recount.

In 1962, Sen. George McGovern narrowly defeated Joe Bottum, and Bottum alleged voting irregularities. The Rapid City Journal quoted him as noting "registrations at the polls of persons not qualified to vote." Bottum referred to construction workers working at Ellsworth Air Force Base who did not meet the state's one-year residency requirement.

In that recount, hundreds of ballots ended up changing in both directions.

In 1937, Democrat Clair Roddewig defeated Republican Sterling Clark by 376 votes.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: South Dakota
KEYWORDS: ballots; election; evans; johnson; johnthune; kurtevans; libertarian; recount; thune; timjohnson
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The boards would convene Monday, Nov. 25, and have no deadline to complete their work. Board members would examine each ballot physically, looking for an official ballot stamp and any irregularities. State law spells out how to identify and handle various kinds of disputed ballots, he said. The law sets up a two-person resolution board to examine ballots that machines have trouble counting, he said.

Will hoards of Dem chad-checking lawyers come in to help out, I wonder.

1 posted on 11/07/2002 12:56:40 PM PST by jwalburg
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To: jwalburg
Thune came up at the President's news conference. I think he is about to get an appointment somewhere in this adiministration for showing alot of class. The American people do not want leaders with recounts- they want leaders with class.


2 posted on 11/07/2002 12:59:30 PM PST by MrPeanut
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To: MrPeanut
Really?

Perhaps "the American people" you so speak for so presumptuously would like to see vote fraud identified, the election results corrected, and the perps sent to prison.

3 posted on 11/07/2002 1:02:07 PM PST by Interesting Times
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To: nutmeg
Bump to read later
4 posted on 11/07/2002 1:03:39 PM PST by nutmeg
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To: MrPeanut
Bush owes him a job in his administration. He left the house to run for the senate at Bush's urging...
5 posted on 11/07/2002 1:06:04 PM PST by marajade
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To: MrPeanut
I think you are correct- in your comment about class vs recount- the fraud should still be investigated- and I am not sure how in a three way race Johnson came up with over 160000 votes when most of the other Democrats had approx 130-150000 votes and this was a three way split - very strange numbers - I keep trying to explain it but it doesn't work out right-but maybe he could be placed somewhere important and save face and come back to clean Daschle's clock later
6 posted on 11/07/2002 1:06:49 PM PST by newzhawk
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To: MrPeanut
Thune came up at the President's news conference. I think he is about to get an appointment somewhere in this adiministration for showing alot of class

I think Bush should appoint him to a high-level position, and task him with investigating all allegations of voter fraud!

7 posted on 11/07/2002 1:08:15 PM PST by BreitbartSentMe
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To: marajade
Here is an address for a poll from the Sioux Falls Argus leader asking "Should Thune ask for a recount?
http://www.argusleader.com/
Anyone that is more computer literate than I am may want to post this as a poll to freep!
8 posted on 11/07/2002 1:09:22 PM PST by Pardon Me
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To: newzhawk
A three way split with a Libertarian candidate who bowed out weeks before the election.
9 posted on 11/07/2002 1:11:39 PM PST by jwalburg
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To: MrPeanut
Count me as one who wants a recount. There was no problem with having a recount in Florida either. In fact, it was the proper thing to do. The problems came into play when the 'Rats tried to restrict the recount to their strong areas, tried to invalidate absentee ballots (from the military), swallowed chads and otherwise tried to manufacture Gore votes while invalidating Bush votes.
10 posted on 11/07/2002 1:13:24 PM PST by SamAdams76
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To: jwalburg
If Thune does not contest the outcome, what are the chances he'll run against Dash-hole in '04?
11 posted on 11/07/2002 1:13:43 PM PST by Tree of Liberty
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To: jwalburg
It's hard to even post about this yet, I still feel like my heart got ripped out yesterday morning. All the blood, sweat, and tears and we lost. It might not have been so bad even if we got beat by a landslide, but to get beat by 500 votes feels awful. America still won, in the larger picture, and in SD, Repubs won every other election of consequence, but this one will be hard to get over. If fraud is found on the res, it needs to be exposed.
12 posted on 11/07/2002 1:13:54 PM PST by SoDak
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To: jwalburg
In 1978, then-Congressman Tom Daschle defeated Leo Thorsness, ultimately by 139 votes, in the state's former first congressional district in eastern South Dakota.

The potential consequences of voter fraud...if 140 of these votes were fraudulent, and they had been CAUGHT, we might NOT have had Tom Daschle to contend with the past two years (or before that, as well...who knows? Where might JOHNSON be in twenty years, if we let him get away with it?)



13 posted on 11/07/2002 1:14:55 PM PST by who knows what evil?
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To: SoDak
The main thing I'm concerned about here is a full investigation of alleged voter fraud--it they find it, it needs to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. I'm SICK of these crooked Scumocrats and their ballot box stuffing.
14 posted on 11/07/2002 1:17:15 PM PST by RooRoobird14
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To: who knows what evil?
The potential consequences of voter fraud...if 140 of these votes were fraudulent, and they had been CAUGHT, we might NOT have had Tom Daschle to contend with the past two years (or before that, as well...who knows? Where might JOHNSON be in twenty years, if we let him get away with it?)

Now that is something to meditate on for a while. Good point.

15 posted on 11/07/2002 1:19:31 PM PST by jwalburg
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To: MrPeanut
Allowing the Slave Party to continue to get away with fraud is not "class." A "leader" would get this country to acknowledge and correct its problem, just as any decent parent corrects their children. Not to do so leaves us a laughing stock around the world, not to mention imperils the Republican majority in the Senate to a Chaffee bailout.

No. Face the problem squarely and fix it.
16 posted on 11/07/2002 1:19:38 PM PST by Carry_Okie
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To: Interesting Times
"Perhaps "the American people" you so speak for so presumptuously would like to see vote fraud identified, the election results corrected, and the perps sent to prison."

I agree and could not have stated it better.
We as a people and this nation and the Senate needs a man like John Thune and not this liberal, fraud Johnson who woon by cheating and is brother-in-har with his butt-buddy Tommy Daschle. South Dakota Republicans, Conservatives, fellow Freepers deserve better! And "better" is not Johnson.
Plus, we also need a larger margin of majority in case of unfortunate accidents (Clintons still have the power to bring down planes and cause suicides) or there is the "jumping" Senators like Jeffords and soon Chafee.

17 posted on 11/07/2002 1:20:28 PM PST by KriegerGeist
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To: jwalburg
I think there was a lot less vote fraud this time because the Dems were afraid that Ashcroft would prosecute them. If he doesn't go after the perps in South Dakota, the Dems will be up to their old tricks in the 2004 election. Vote integrity is extremely important and every single allegation of vote fraud, no matter how small or apparently inconsequential, must be investigated and the perps prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.
18 posted on 11/07/2002 1:21:11 PM PST by Attillathehon
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To: MrPeanut
MrPeanut signed up 2002-11-04.

19 posted on 11/07/2002 1:23:06 PM PST by bankwalker
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To: jwalburg
Nelson, the state's longtime elections supervisor, said he knew of no other reports of voting irregularities beyond a few unfounded rumors floating around Wednesday.

Could one of you more computer savvy Freepers please send this "supervisor" the text of one of the more salient South Dakota threads so he can see that there are more than just "rumors" to this debacle!

20 posted on 11/07/2002 1:23:17 PM PST by Lurking2Long
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