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Thune holds off on recount (chad checking a possibility)
Rapid City (SD) Journal ^ | 11-07-02 | Denise Ross

Posted on 11/07/2002 12:56:40 PM PST by jwalburg

Narrowly defeated Republican Senate candidate John Thune has postponed a decision about whether to call for a recount after unofficial vote returns showed him losing to incumbent Democrat Tim Johnson by less than two-fifths of a percentage point.

Thune, South Dakota's three-term congressman, said he will await the outcome of the official statewide vote canvass on Tuesday, Nov. 12, to see whether Johnson's 528-vote lead erodes.

"The numbers are in, and we came up a little bit short. I don't anticipate a change," Thune said when he addressed reporters early Wednesday afternoon. "We'll wait and see."

State law allows for a recount if the margin is within one-fourth of 1 percent. Thune would have until Friday, Nov. 15, to request a recount.

The final tally was 167,477 votes for Johnson and 166,949 for Thune. Libertarian Kurt Evans, who had dropped out of the race, drew 3,071 votes.

Thune, 41, and Johnson, 55, watched see-saw returns roll in throughout the night as counting was held up by equipment problems in two counties and other precincts simply took all or most of the night to count votes.

By 2 a.m., Thune held a fairly commanding lead of more than 3,000 votes.

By sunrise, Johnson had made up the ground and edged ahead.

"At about 3 in the morning, I went back and got about an hour's worth of sleep," Johnson said. "It was not looking as good as I would have liked. Our lead had completely eroded away. We also knew which precincts were left and knew John's lead wasn't insurmountable."

Johnson's wife, Barb, woke him to tell him the gap had narrowed to about 500 votes, he said. "I could see not much room for error," he said.

Counties have until Friday, Nov. 8, to tally each precinct total into a countywide total. Secretary of state officials will add county totals to arrive at an official statewide total Tuesday. Any recount would convene with a three-member recount board in each county on Monday, Nov. 25.

Although Thune said he doesn't expect things to change and won't pursue a formal recount unless "absolutely necessary," he stopped short of conceding the race and said he's keeping his options open.

"We're hoping for a math error," Thune said. "I can't say at this point I'm ruling out any option."

Thune called Johnson on Wednesday morning to congratulate him on his apparent victory.

"He said he did want to take a look at the canvass, and I respect that," Johnson said. "He has every right to do that. We agreed the likelihood of there being a 500-vote problem in a canvass isn't very high."

In addition to a recount, a variety of legal challenges are possible, although no specific situations were publicly in play by Wednesday afternoon. State law sets a Monday, Nov. 18, deadline for someone to legally contest the election results.

On Tuesday, the Todd County auditor asked a judge for an injunction to delay the counting of votes due to confusion over which hours the polls were to be open. However, the judge denied the request, and the votes were counted, Secretary of State-elect Chris Nelson said.

"End of story," Nelson said.

Nelson, the state's longtime elections supervisor, said he knew of no other reports of voting irregularities beyond a few unfounded rumors floating around Wednesday.

Democratic officials were aware of a few dozen voters from Pine Ridge who might have been denied the right to vote, but they ran out of time Tuesday to locate copies of the would-be voters' registration cards, a spokeswoman said.

It was the vote from Shannon County - where returns were completely unavailable until after 2 a.m. - that helped Johnson squeak through. Democrats launched massive voter-registration and get-out-the-vote efforts statewide and concentrated on South Dakota's Indian reservations, where voters lean heavily Democratic. On Tuesday, 2,856 Pine Ridge Indian Reservation voters in Shannon County, 92 percent, cast votes for Johnson.

"This was a major step forward for the native vote in this state. But when you win by 500 votes, everybody can take some credit for it," Johnson said. "We work every county in the state hard. We wrung every vote out that we could."

Thune, too, recognized the record level of campaign volunteers and high voter turnout.

"We saw literally thousands of people get involved in the political process that never have been involved before," Thune said.

Thune will decide next week whether any as-yet-unformed county recount boards get involved.

If a recount is requested, the presiding judges in South Dakota's seven state-court circuits would appoint a three-member recount board for each of the counties in their purview, Nelson said. Under state law, each board would consist of one Republican, one Democrat and an attorney belonging to the political party that carried that county in the 1998 governor's race.

The boards would convene Monday, Nov. 25, and have no deadline to complete their work. Board members would examine each ballot physically, looking for an official ballot stamp and any irregularities. State law spells out how to identify and handle various kinds of disputed ballots, he said. The law sets up a two-person resolution board to examine ballots that machines have trouble counting, he said.

The group would decide whether to count the ballots by hand or, in the case of optical-scan and punch-card ballots, by machine, Nelson said.

Work could take weeks in the state's largest counties, where only three people would do all the work. In Pennington County, 35,976 ballots were cast; in Minnehaha County, 65,538.

"Those folks will have a large job," Nelson said.

A recount for one of South Dakota's federal offices is not unprecedented. The three most recent examples each had a Democrat narrowly defeating a Republican.

In 1978, then-Congressman Tom Daschle defeated Leo Thorsness, ultimately by 139 votes, in the state's former first congressional district in eastern South Dakota. Daschle took his seat in the U.S. House while awaiting the results of the recount.

In 1962, Sen. George McGovern narrowly defeated Joe Bottum, and Bottum alleged voting irregularities. The Rapid City Journal quoted him as noting "registrations at the polls of persons not qualified to vote." Bottum referred to construction workers working at Ellsworth Air Force Base who did not meet the state's one-year residency requirement.

In that recount, hundreds of ballots ended up changing in both directions.

In 1937, Democrat Clair Roddewig defeated Republican Sterling Clark by 376 votes.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: South Dakota
KEYWORDS: ballots; election; evans; johnson; johnthune; kurtevans; libertarian; recount; thune; timjohnson
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To: Pardon Me
Online Poll
Should Rep. John Thune R-S.D., pursue a recount in his close loss to Sen. Tim Johnson, D-S.D.?

64.2%
Yes
35.8%
No

Total Votes: 2466

21 posted on 11/07/2002 1:25:37 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: SoDak
SoDak-
I too am extremely upset about this. Mr. Thune is handling it with a lot of class. If it does go to a recount, I am certain that we will show the country how it can be done professionaly. That being said, I will simply paste a copy of my post to another thread (Johnson bragging about getting out the Native vote) :


First they commit vote fraud, now they brag about it. "100% voter registration in the precinct" my @ss.

As a resident of SD I am ashamed of those so-called "Republican" whores that sold their vote to try and keep Daschle in power. The fraud, which everyone knew about before the election, could have been easily overcome if those who got greedy would have voted their principles instead. Now we are stuck with Johnson and Daschle for at least 2 years.

I have made many calls to Thune's office asking that they force the issue after the canvassing is completed, but I seriously doubt they will. My only hope now is that he will run against Daschle in 2 years and the whores will redeem themselves with a real vote.



22 posted on 11/07/2002 1:26:10 PM PST by ThinkingMan
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To: Geist Krieger
Agreed. Thune should NOT throw in the towel. If the tables were reversed, the Democrats woud move heaven and hell to reverse the results. The only way to defeat an enemy is to beat them at their own game. Johnson does NOT deserve to be seated unless he can prove that his win was legitimate and not due to 500 people who were dead, voted multiple times, or were actually family pets. So, Thune should dig his heels in, yet conduct himself in a dignified manner -- quiet, but resolute.
23 posted on 11/07/2002 1:27:34 PM PST by jmstein7
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To: Pardon Me
Online Poll
Should Rep. John Thune R-S.D., pursue a recount in his close loss to Sen. Tim Johnson, D-S.D.?

64.2%
Yes
35.8%
No

Total Votes: 2468

24 posted on 11/07/2002 1:27:50 PM PST by Ragtime Cowgirl
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl; ThinkingMan; nicmarlo; Interesting Times
Agreed. Thune should NOT throw in the towel. If the tables were reversed, the Democrats woud move heaven and hell to reverse the results. The only way to defeat an enemy is to beat them at their own game. Johnson does NOT deserve to be seated unless he can prove that his win was legitimate and not due to 500 people who were dead, voted multiple times, or were actually family pets. So, Thune should dig his heels in, yet conduct himself in a dignified manner -- quiet, but resolute.
25 posted on 11/07/2002 1:30:19 PM PST by jmstein7
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To: ThinkingMan
I feel sorry for the first of my Republican friends who reports to me that he sided with Johnson. I never imagined we had this many RINO's in this state. It makes me sick to my stomach to see these numbers when Pubbies supposedly outnumber Dims by a large margin. My sister is a rino, and skipped voting this year, I asked her last night to change her registration. Morons. Just am still too dang livid to post about it much.
26 posted on 11/07/2002 1:30:44 PM PST by SoDak
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To: jwalburg
Just sent this e-mail to the reporter who covered the story.

Enjoyed your story about the Senatorial election. However, I really hope and pray that you do some investigative reporting to dig into these supposed “rumors” of vote fraud. If you look at the statistics surrounding voting in Shannon County I think you will begin to see that this election is not in lone with past ones. Additionally, you should explore the angle of why these results came in (conveniently) last out of all precincts, and why, in the weeks leading up to the election, there were so many instances of voter registration fraud that were discovered. Regardless of any political persuasion you may have, it would be nice to see you, as a U.S. citizen and a reporter, take the initiative to dig into this situation. Who knows; there may be a Pulitzer prize awaiting your efforts. God bless!

Hope she takes the bait!

27 posted on 11/07/2002 1:31:03 PM PST by Lurking2Long
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To: MrPeanut
The American people do not want leaders with recounts- they want leaders with class.

I personally want a leader that does the right thing even if it's not politically convenient. For instance, fighting for the proper tallying of ALL votes of one's constituents or potential constituents, especially involving areas already identified for voting fraud. Bowing out "gracefully" to wait for the next government hand out does not impress me.

28 posted on 11/07/2002 1:31:49 PM PST by Coop
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To: SoDak
What is with all these Liberatarian votes that look like they cost Thune the election. Does anyone have the capacity to think up there?
29 posted on 11/07/2002 1:33:00 PM PST by scannell
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To: jwalburg
The suspense!!!!!!!!!
30 posted on 11/07/2002 1:34:34 PM PST by Saundra Duffy
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To: jwalburg
State law sets a Monday, Nov. 18, deadline for someone to legally contest the election results.

So, can anyone in South Dakota file a challenge, or is this only for Thune to do? It seems like according to the paper, any voter in S.D. could have standing. If so, some S.D. freeper needs to call an RNC lawyer and get a lawsuit going!
31 posted on 11/07/2002 1:35:11 PM PST by mrs9x
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To: SoDak
A friend of my wife stopped by on election night. She said that she had voted a straight ticket w/ the exception of Johnson. I railed on her for 15 minutes about the greed she showed by voting for a chance at power and federal funds vs. voting for a pro-life conservative. I then asked her how much she would sell my children's lives for. She left.
32 posted on 11/07/2002 1:35:44 PM PST by ThinkingMan
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To: Pardon Me
I'll do it.
33 posted on 11/07/2002 1:35:46 PM PST by Teacher317
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To: Bush_Democrat
I think Bush should appoint him to a high-level position, and task him with investigating all allegations of voter fraud!

The integrity of our voting process is critical to our security, so that position should be in the new homeland security department.

34 posted on 11/07/2002 1:37:55 PM PST by bankwalker
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To: jmstein7
I already e-mailed Thune yesterday, requesting he NOT give in, that voter fraud be investigated, and that it would be WRONG to let this go, especially when rat fraud is so rampant, and particularly already well-founded in South Dakota. I told him there are many Americans that agree with my position on this.
35 posted on 11/07/2002 1:39:03 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: Geist Krieger
I'm with you on this -- there IS fraud -- that's already been proven. I DO believe that if there's enough evidence of fraud, there should be another election -- don't you? With lots and lots of poll watchers.
36 posted on 11/07/2002 1:40:44 PM PST by alethia
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To: Teacher317
They already found about a 6000 vote math error in Alabama that decided the race for Governor.
37 posted on 11/07/2002 1:40:46 PM PST by Ingtar
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To: nicmarlo
I agree, a little busting of some fraud could go a long way in detering more fraud when Daschel lines up in 2004.
38 posted on 11/07/2002 1:40:54 PM PST by scannell
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To: scannell
Please lay off of us SD freepers. We are just as disgusted as everyone else. I have been VERY PO'd for the last couple days with those who attack "all SD pubs are fools!"

A lot of work went into the Thune effort, and I doubt that you will find a single SD freeper that voted for Johnson or Evans.

Thanks.
39 posted on 11/07/2002 1:41:28 PM PST by ThinkingMan
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To: Ingtar
What was the margin in AL and did they correction change any results?
40 posted on 11/07/2002 1:41:50 PM PST by scannell
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