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THE GAY RIGHTS WAR IS OVER AND WE LOST
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| October 2002
| Cal Thomas, Syndicated Columnist
Posted on 11/02/2002 3:09:47 PM PST by Marianne
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The New York State Assembly has already passed this bill.
The New York State Senate will pass it in December and it will be signed into law by Gov. Pataki
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posted on
11/02/2002 3:09:47 PM PST
by
Marianne
To: Marianne
I see there are two options for Pro-Family Christian Conservatives. Either leave the Republican party or stand firm and take it back from the Log Cabin society.
Which way America?
To: Marianne
But the hard core gay rights activists have won.It will always be a weak, shaky, unsteady victory--and the gay lobby knows it. They will never know more than partial, grudging acceptance from most Americans. And there will be resolute and even fierce resistence from others.
To: Marianne
Baloney, nothings been decided or written in stone. It wasn't that many years ago that some of the Eeyore conservative pundits were writing about how the abortion battle had been lost. Yet the tide of public opinion is shifting in our favor. With enough conservative judicial appointments we may soon be in a position to tighten up restrictions on abortion, which paves the way to one day outlawing it.
Yet we desperately need those appointments, and aren't going to get them if social conservatives once again stay home and pout. So all the more ironic and sad that right before the election Cal comes out with a column that could depress GOP turnout.
Cal Thomas, you should be ashamed of yourself. Don't be a quitter.
To: Diddle E. Squat
nothings=nothing has
To: Marianne
The problem is that mainstream Christians - especially evangelicals - are content to stick their heads in the sand and wait calmly for the 'day of judgement'.
Christianity is an active religion - yet somehow this gets lost when speaking to conservative Christians about the importance of voting and paying attention to the world around them. As Cal says, their minds have already been taken over - they just don't know it.
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posted on
11/02/2002 3:22:42 PM PST
by
txzman
To: Marianne
Mot of the "gay vote" died over the last 20 years. Didn't anyone notice that?
It's due to their absence that folks feel motivated to pass these special legislative packages for them - something that doesn't really affect anyone really doesn't count.
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posted on
11/02/2002 3:26:37 PM PST
by
muawiyah
To: Diddle E. Squat
he was a defeatist a few years back too, talking about how christians like Christian Coalition should just leave the political arena. guess what, they did and Democrats made gains thanks to that.
It is time to reverse that. The fight is not over. Many people who are not gay and dont want the undermining of the family see this particular issue as a civil rights issue. If they are wrong, you have to prove them wrong, on the field of ideas. You cant curl up in a ball, you have to explain why you are right and they are wrong.
Yet we desperately need those appointments, and aren't going to get them if social conservatives once again stay home and pout. So all the more ironic and sad that right before the election Cal comes out with a column that could depress GOP turnout.
I agree. Let's not be a quitter. Heck, if you are in New York, send a sharp note to Patacki and let him know how you feel. Patacki just is oding this because the 'northeast GOP' strategy is to stick to the moderate social positions to avoid getting 'tagged' as 'extremists' by the liberals and the press.
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posted on
11/02/2002 3:30:21 PM PST
by
WOSG
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To: BurkeCalhounDabney
EVERY major agency of opinion -- television, radio, magazines, newspapers, public schools, universitiesThe same could be said for abortion, yet support for it is dropping.
To: Marianne
If politicians will not debate an issue--will not stand up for values--the remedy is not to abandon one's principles, but to find representatives who will stand up for those values. America does not exist to provide employment for politicians, agitators or whatever. Nothing is settled by the antics of office seekers at any moment in time.
If it comes down to a choice between the fundamental institutions of a social order and Governor Pataki, isn't one's course obvious? If New York Republicans do not have a horse in the race, isn't it better not to cast a vote than a vote for a spineless Yahoo?
No, as an Ohioan, it is not my call what people do in New York. But I know what I would do under these conditions.
William Flax Return Of The Gods Web Site
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posted on
11/02/2002 3:42:26 PM PST
by
Ohioan
To: Marianne
Cal Thomas is wrong about one thing -- the Republican Party was never the "family values party."
To: Kevin Curry
That's a very good point. People can say all they want about how "normal" homosexuals are, but I'm willing to bet that 99% of Americans would be alarmed to hear that one of their kids is gay.
To: Marianne
Just wait until the Jihadists take over and implement Shariah law...
To: Marianne
Homosexuality was a perversion 4,000 years ago. It is a perversion today. It will be a perversion 4,000 years hence.
To: Marianne
Our whole strategy has been wrong. We will never win by being just "anti-whatever" in our rhetoric, especially if what we are "anti" is perceived (accurately or not due to media distortions) as mainly being about constraining the freedom of adult citizens.
On the other hand, just look at the media any time some kid is abducted. Just look at the media any time some kid falls into a well and gets stuck. Just look at the fuss people make over kids, how much money they spend on them, etc., etc.
Most people care about kids. Especially their own kids, but there is still kind of a generalized caring for kids among most of the population, even among the childless and empty-nesters. This is rooted deep in the human psyche, probably is even instinctual. Neither the media nor the education system can really erase it.
So here's the thing: we really need to couch everything in terms of being "for the children." I know, that's Hillary's phrase. We never should have let her steal it, she has absolutely no right to it. We need to reclaim it as our own.
We are not going to be able to make much progress against "gay rights" in general. But when we focus on protecting children from pedophiles, most people do sit up and take notice, and the vast majority still responds positively to positive action to protect children from such abuse.
Similarly, as long and the abortion debate is defined about who can or cannot control women's bodies, we will never make much progress. When we started talking about protecting children, especially children that were already as good as born, then we started getting a much more sympathetic ear.
The Democrats say that they they are about protecting the children, but that is a load of crap. Everything they have ever done has caused children nothing but harm. They ALWAYS do more harm than good, no matter how well-intentioned and nice-sounding their rhetoric may be. If we are going to win, we had better put together a program that both sounds better and actually does work better where the protection of children are concerned.
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To: Marianne
Don't feel bad, Cal. That doesn't mean you can't keep hating them.
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posted on
11/02/2002 6:24:47 PM PST
by
gcruse
To: gcruse
Don't feel bad, Cal. That doesn't mean you can't keep hating them.
gccruse
please splain yer meenie here. zat talk out your pootie poo or out jesus
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posted on
11/02/2002 6:31:20 PM PST
by
ckilmer
To: ckilmer
You're going to like English, once you get the hang of it.
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posted on
11/02/2002 6:32:41 PM PST
by
gcruse
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