THE 'GAY SPIN ZONE'

American Family Association ^ | August 21, 2002 | Stephen Bennett

[Jim Scott]

I think the points have been made on both sides of the question that the Bennett article generated; that the media is clearly pro-homosexual and ignores most anything negative regarding homosexuality.

I'm quite willing to let the matter rest here - this time - and allow readers to make their own decision as to what the truth is. It will certainly be debated many times and we may meet again. Until then, I appreciate your civil approach to what is often a contentious subject of debate on FR.

[Houmatt]

and which was SECRETLY and ILLEGALLY recorded...

But was nevertheless recorded, which is why we know for a fact it happened. And you cannot prove otherwise, which is what I asked you.

[Antoninus]

Your continuous petulant replies show me that nothing I can say will pierce the veil of your self-delusion. I will pray for you.

[headsonpikes]

To respond to your quips and sallies would tend, I fear, to encourage a response.

Instead, I shall essay a simple one-line review of your performance:

Your pirouettes are technically proficient, but your choreography lacks esthetic coherence.

[VOA]

Bump!

[ArGee]

You seem to want to bring the topic back to what Bennet said, even though you and I both strayed from what he said to what we have said. Fair enough.

Probably the most important part of Bennet's article in your and my discussion is that he is an ex-gay.

That means that there is help for you if you ever decide you want to be an ex-gay. I accept the fact that you may not want to right now. But you should know that if you ever change your mind the homosexual community will not respect your choice and will not be your friend. They will do everything in their power to prove you wrong, and if you don't relent they will try to hurt you, the way you are trying to hurt Bennet on this thread. The idea that your sexual fetishes are beyond any changing is the most important factor in the gay hunt for societal (self?) acceptance right now, and they won't take your "betrayal" kindly. But there are those who will. Bennet's organization represents one. Exodus International, PFOX, and Focus on the Family represent others.

And I will stand with you every step of the way.

Shalom.

[thedilg]

Unfortunately, they do reproduce by preying on young impressionable young boys. The head of a ministery that helps homosexuals leave the lifestyle and some of his clients gave me their observations. Many if not most of the homosexuals had the following in their background;

1. A domineering mother

2. An absent father

3. A horendous homosexual experience as a pre-adolescent or young teenage boy.

4. A melancholy personality

Incidentally, the head of this organization was himself an ex homosexual.

Godspeed, The Dilg

[StopGlobalWhining]

"The main thing is to talk about gayness until the issue becomes thoroughly tiresome,"...

This strategy works. At least it has on me.

I am so sick of hearing this crap from deviant perverts that I no longer give one whit when I read that one of them gets beat up by somebody, gets AIDS, commits suicide, whatever. I'm just desensitized to their preaching and whining.

[Jimbaugh]

Click the banner above to see what has been going on for years.
There is a homosexual plan and it is working.

[That Subliminal Kid]

Why are you talking to me about Christians? And he could indeed win, if he attempted to support his fluff with some substance.

[EdReform]

* "Who asked the question? We don't know, but I think that Whiteman HIMSELF asked the question. He's the one that attended with nefarious intend. He stated that his intention was to go there and get something "juicy" on tape. Gee, what better way to record something than to make it happen... Of course, we'll never know… unless Whiteman suffers an attack of conscience and comes forth to tell us just how contrived was that "controversy."" *

Kirk and Hunter were spot on when describing homosexuals in their book After the Ball:

•  The authors say gays tend to deny reality in various ways: wishful thinking, paranoia, illogic, emotionalism and embracing crackpot ideas.

Your attempt to smear Scott Whiteman is so typical of the way the homosexual community operates -- scream "hate speech" or "homophobe" and throw out wild, baseless accusations. While you are entitled to your opinion, it's important to note that the lesbian activist author of the "Context Matters" web page didn't make similiar accusations.

Here's what the Context Matters web page has to say:

Anonymous Question Cards

They then decided to do anonymous question cards, a back-up exercise they had come prepared with. These cards provide youth the opportunity to ask questions they have without risking judgement from their peers or adults for the content of the questions. Anonymous question cards also help guarantee that the material being asked is the students' agenda rather than the adults. (emphasis added)

Ms. Ables provided me with a list of the questions they asked, which she had typed up because the teachers who were present at the next workshop felt it important to know what gay youth wanted to know.

[The list of questions appear on the Context Matters web page...]

The procedure for this exercise was to read the questions in the order they arrived in on the pile of question cards, to turn the question back to the group so peers could do some of the education, and then to add, clarify, or correct any misinformation."

Since this was a back-up exercise the instructors admit they had come prepared with, a more likely scenario is that one or both of the presenters (Gaucher and Ables) wanted the children to be introduced to the topic of "Fisting" and planted the "anonymous" question card themselves.

* "There's historic precedence of Radical Right operatives attending presentations and asking embarrassing questions... there's even historic precedence for the "fisting" question being used." *

And I'm sure you have documentation from yet another homosexual web site to "prove" your wild, homosexist accusations.

* "Finally, if you look at the list of questions that were asked, most of them display an almost amusing kind of quasi-naiveté. But when compared to virtually all the other questions, the "fisting" shows a businesslike directness... the sign of an adult mind at work, in my opinion." *

Ok then, since you insist, let's look at the questions as posted on the "Context Matters" web page:

"Ms. Ables provided me with a list of the questions they asked, which she had typed up because the teachers who were present at the next workshop felt it important to know what gay youth wanted to know." 

"These are typed as written originally by the students. 

•  Is oral sex better with tongue rings? P.S. I hope so.
• Cum? Calories? Spit versus swallow?  Health concerns?
• What age do most GLB first have sex? Is it different from the age of straight kids?
• What is an anal ball?
•  Should some kind of protection be used in lesbian sex?
•  Women’s vaginal wall can expand to any dick size… Can anal walls do the same?
•  Are girls who primarily like guys and are only attracted to other girls sexually (not in the love-y) way considered bisexual?
•  How is protection used in lesbian sex since it’s mostly oral, where does the protection go?
•  My ex said she enjoys pain, what the hell is that about?
•  What is fisting?
•  Define fetish.
•  What is lesbian sex anyway?
•  How do I find out if someone is bi?  Homo?
•  What are the technicalities of transsexual and hermaphrodite sex?
•  How long do you have to wait to get tested for HIV or any STD after the "act" is committed?
•  A question on the ethics of oral sex: would it be considered rude not to swallow?
•  Can you answer the fish question?
•  Do lesbians rub their clits together?  Is that even sex?
• How do GLB kids determine loss of virginity?"

The question asked about fisting was simply, "What is fisting?". I'm having a difficult time seeing how this question "shows a businesslike directness... the sign of an adult mind at work" when compared to the other questions asked. Perhaps you can clear that up for me?

* "Until then we’ll have to assume that the question was asked because someone in the room wanted it answered. And answered it was." *

I think it's obvious to anyone who listens to the "Fistgate" tape" just who wanted the question answered. The conference instructors had their agenda. And we've heard exactly how they answered the question.

BTW, you've stated that the workshop was illegally recorded - that is not true. There have been no criminal charges filed against Scott Whiteman or Brian Camenker. The civil suit you spoke of was instigated by the legal aid group "Gay & Lesbian Advocates & Defenders" as reported in the July 3/July 10 print edition of "The Weekly Standard" (Banned in Boston - Better not complain about the gay agenda for Massachusetts schools, page 17).

[EdReform]

Please continue to breath normally. I was called into work this weekend, so I did not get to finish the replies I intended to post. Perhaps later today or tomorrow.

[ppaul]

Day in and day out, America is getting bombarded with 'pro-gay' propaganda. It's relentless. You can't open a newspaper or magazine, listen to the radio, or turn on the television without someone, somewhere pounding the 'glories of gayness' into your brain.

So true.
And, if you send your children to public schools, you are letting their brains get relentlessly pounded by the same propaganda.
Get 'em out now!

[Elsie]

it was a reference that went clear back to #18 by madg