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To: madg; Houmatt; ArGee; Antoninus; Gargantua; oust the louse; subterfuge; NYer; Jimbaugh; ...
* "Who asked the question? We don't know, but I think that Whiteman HIMSELF asked the question. He's the one that attended with nefarious intend. He stated that his intention was to go there and get something "juicy" on tape. Gee, what better way to record something than to make it happen... Of course, we'll never know… unless Whiteman suffers an attack of conscience and comes forth to tell us just how contrived was that "controversy."" *

Kirk and Hunter were spot on when describing homosexuals in their book After the Ball:

•  The authors say gays tend to deny reality in various ways: wishful thinking, paranoia, illogic, emotionalism and embracing crackpot ideas.


Your attempt to smear Scott Whiteman is so typical of the way the homosexual community operates -- scream "hate speech" or "homophobe" and throw out wild, baseless accusations. While you are entitled to your opinion, it's important to note that the lesbian activist author of the "Context Matters" web page didn't make similiar accusations.

Here's what the Context Matters web page has to say:

Anonymous Question Cards

They then decided to do anonymous question cards, a back-up exercise they had come prepared with. These cards provide youth the opportunity to ask questions they have without risking judgement from their peers or adults for the content of the questions. Anonymous question cards also help guarantee that the material being asked is the students' agenda rather than the adults. (emphasis added)

Ms. Ables provided me with a list of the questions they asked, which she had typed up because the teachers who were present at the next workshop felt it important to know what gay youth wanted to know.

[The list of questions appear on the Context Matters web page...]

The procedure for this exercise was to read the questions in the order they arrived in on the pile of question cards, to turn the question back to the group so peers could do some of the education, and then to add, clarify, or correct any misinformation."


Since this was a back-up exercise the instructors admit they had come prepared with, a more likely scenario is that one or both of the presenters (Gaucher and Ables) wanted the children to be introduced to the topic of "Fisting" and planted the "anonymous" question card themselves.


* "There's historic precedence of Radical Right operatives attending presentations and asking embarrassing questions... there's even historic precedence for the "fisting" question being used." *

And I'm sure you have documentation from yet another homosexual web site to "prove" your wild, homosexist accusations.


* "Finally, if you look at the list of questions that were asked, most of them display an almost amusing kind of quasi-naiveté. But when compared to virtually all the other questions, the "fisting" shows a businesslike directness... the sign of an adult mind at work, in my opinion." *

Ok then, since you insist, let's look at the questions as posted on the "Context Matters" web page:

"Ms. Ables provided me with a list of the questions they asked, which she had typed up because the teachers who were present at the next workshop felt it important to know what gay youth wanted to know." 

"These are typed as written originally by the students. 


The question asked about fisting was simply, "What is fisting?". I'm having a difficult time seeing how this question "shows a businesslike directness... the sign of an adult mind at work" when compared to the other questions asked. Perhaps you can clear that up for me?


* "Until then we’ll have to assume that the question was asked because someone in the room wanted it answered. And answered it was." *

I think it's obvious to anyone who listens to the "Fistgate" tape" just who wanted the question answered. The conference instructors had their agenda. And we've heard exactly how they answered the question.

BTW, you've stated that the workshop was illegally recorded - that is not true. There have been no criminal charges filed against Scott Whiteman or Brian Camenker. The civil suit you spoke of was instigated by the legal aid group "Gay & Lesbian Advocates & Defenders" as reported in the July 3/July 10 print edition of "The Weekly Standard" (Banned in Boston - Better not complain about the gay agenda for Massachusetts schools, page 17).

156 posted on 08/26/2002 10:35:33 AM PDT by EdReform
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To: EdReform; madg; Houmatt; ArGee; Antoninus; Gargantua; oust the louse; subterfuge; NYer; Jimbaugh
HERE IS THE ENTIRE "FISTGATE" TAPE IN MP3 FORMAT. Feel free to download it, pass it on to anyone you want and post it on your website if you have one.
 
WARNING!!! This file contains subject matter not intended for children. Download it ONLY IF YOU ARE 18 or older
 
http://207.211.212.38/webboss/fistgate.mp3
 
Hard to believe these sorts of workshops have made their way into public schools.
 
Also there have been some who have claimed this tape is something some homosexuals do not want you to hear.....well if that's true then that is all the more reason to listen to it if you can stomach this perverted trash.
 
webboss
 
What is Fistgate? Do a search on the internet using the keyword fistgate
and visit these websites>
 

http://www.parentsrightscoalition.org/ and
http://www.parentsrightscoalition.org/Fistgate.htm and
http://www.parentsrightscoalition.org/lawsuit.htm

http://www.parentsrightscoalition.org/SubTopics/Cellucci/KidsGetGraphic.htm

For a FREE copy of the fistgate tape follow the directions on this page. It
takes 4-6 weeks to arrive.
http://www.massnews.com/tapes2.htm

Pass the mp3 file on to everyone you know who has children in public schools
to warn them of the GAY STRAIGHT ALLIANCE CLUBS true agenda of recruitment
(in my opinion).

 

190 posted on 08/31/2002 5:00:40 PM PDT by webboss
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