[samtheman]

Palestinians are Arabs, indistinguishable from Jordanians, Syrians, Lebanese, Iraqis ...

[Tom Jefferson]

Also read the following: A LETTER FROM ISRAEL

[malamute]

preaching to the converted bump :)

[RightWhale]

Interesting piece. The big point: while the term Palestine may be derived from the same term used to describe the Philistines, this is insignificant considering that the Philistines were not Arab, and came from the north, not out of the Arabian desert. The modern Palestinians are not related to the Philistines.

[onedoug]

Expand the Jewish state into all (soon to be former) Arab countries.

[wardaddy]

Interesting.

[Shermy]

The national identity "Palestine" was adopted by "Palestinians" because it was seen as, and is a successful counter-argument to the "exchange of populations" argument for Israeli legitimacy. That is, the exchange of about one million arabs and jews from the middle east seems "fair." There were other contemporaneous exchanges too, for example India and Pakistan, or unrequited exchanges, Germans in East Europe.

To counter this, the idea of a Palestinian "nation" works as an argument, ex post facto, to explain that a discrete "nation" was affected, and therefore the fact that Jews left and were kicked out of Egypt, Libya, Jordan, etc. is argued as irrelevant.

The Palestinian Charter and other documents reflect this disturbance in pan-Arabism (now with a religious underpinning). They protest "too much" that there is a Palestinian identity, then go on to say in the future they will merge into a pan-Arab entity of some sort, acknowledging the weakness of the identity argument in itself.

The identity is fed by other things too. A common and long contrary experience with Israel, the denial of citizenship of "Palestinians" in countires like Lebanon, Syria, etc., and the use and management of their plight by various Arab states for redirecting internal dissent and pressures. Creating "Palestinians" is also profitable for UN doles and subsidies from other nations - if they decline the identity, the funds lessen. (Just like if they stop calling cities "refugee camps" funds lessen.) A newer force in propelling the identity is Western media and opinion whom are receptive to European ideas of discrete nations, an idea which has been accepted more and more in the "Arab nation" which absorbs western intellectual ideas and whims more and more - the latest being post-modernism and, interestingly, its obsession with identity.

It's all a goof complicated with numerous interests - the Jordanians know the identity is a goof - but they don't want "Palestine" back.

[gfactor]

But that's too much for the Arabs. They want it all.

yes and no. some arabs don't want it all, just the parts they have been kicked out of.

[Diogenes of Sinope]

Let's not get into an exercise of rationalization to justify what can't be justified. The "historic" claim by modern Israeli's to the land called Israel is a stretch at best. In the entire history of the region, Jews (not the Europeans now claiming to be Semitic) have controlled the region for only a few hundred of the 480,000 year history.

There has been continuous human habitation for 480,000 years.(Neanderthal, Cro-Magnon and Homo Sapien). There is evidence of Neanderthal and Cro-Magnon coexistence.

10,000 BC: first permanent settlements in Israel

7,000 BC: walls of Jericho built

1950 BC: Abraham leaves Ur (Iraq)for Canaan.

1600 BC: Hebrews move to Egypt voluntarily abandoning the Holyland.

1486 BC: Canaanite army defeated at Megiddo by Egyptian Pharaoh Thutmose, consolidating Egyptian rule over Canaan

1300 BC: Moses leads the Jews out of Egypt

1200 BC: Philistines arrive by ship and give the name "Palestine" to the area; Jews start to arrive in Land of Israel

990 BC: Jerusalem captured by King David and Israel unified as one nation

950 BC: First Temple built by King Solomon forcing Hebrew unity by controlling the Ark of the Covenant

928 BC: After a fight over taxation, Israel splits into two nations: "Judah" in the south and "Israel" in the north

824 BC: Assyria conquers Palestine

710 BD Assyria conquers Israel

586 BC: Babylon conquers Judah.

597 BC: Babylonians send army to put down a rebellion and take prominent Jews into exile

586 BC: Babylonians arrive to put down another rebellion, destroy the First Temple, and remove more Jews into exile

539 BC: Babylonians defeated by Persians

538 BC: Cyrus the Great of Persia allows the Jews to return to Israel and rebuild temple in return for loyalty oath to Persia

515 BC: Second Temple built

332 BC: Alexander the Great of Macedonia conquers Persia and takes over their empire, including Palestine; Hellenization of Israel begins

170-164 BC: Maccabee revolt against forced Hellenization; Jewish independence

63 BC: Roman legions, under General Pompey, conquer Jerusalem

37 BC: Herod the Great installed by Romans as vassal king

4 BC: Jesus born

AD 30: Jesus crucified

AD 66-70: Jewish revolt, war with Romans, destruction of Jerusalem and Second Temple

AD 73: Masada falls ending control of a terorist organization the Sicarii. Evidence exists that the Sicarii, massacred 25 men women and childred who occupied Masada before they siezed it in AD 71

AD 130-2: Hadrian outlaws circumcision and plans to rebuild Jerusalem as a pagan city

AD 132-135. Bar Kochba rebellion. Jews crushed by Romans, sold into slavery, and driven into exile (the Diaspora). Jerusalem is rebuilt as Aelia Capitolina.

AD 200-215: Mishnah edited in Israel by Rabbi Ha Nasi „h AD 313: Roman emperor Constantine converts to Christianity, grants freedom of worship to Christians throughout Empire

AD 395: Rome splits into western and eastern (Byzantium) empires

AD 638: Omar defeats the Byzantine army at the Yarmuk River (in Syria); Muslims rule Palestine

AD 1009: Caliph El-Hakim destroys Holy Sepulchre

AD 1071: Seljuk Turks forbid Christians to enter Jerusalem

AD 1095: Pope Urban II launches Crusades

AD 1099: Crusaders take Jerusalem

AD 1187: Saladin retakes Jerusalem

AD 1188-92: Third Crusade under Richard I the Lionheart fails to retake Jerusalem but wins access for pilgrims.

AD 1400: Israel under Mameluke rule from Egypt;

AD 1516: Mamelukes defeated by Ottoman empire

AD 1537: Suleyman the Magnificent orders new walls and gates built around Jerusalem

AD 1896: Theodor Herzl publishes Der Judenstat, which leads to formation of the World Zionist Congress

1917: British General Allenby captures Jerusalem from the Turks.

1923: British split off 70% of Palestine and hand it over to Emir Abdullah as "Jordan"

November 29, 1947: United Nations votes for the partition of the remainder of Palestine into separate Jewish and Arab states, with Jerusalem a neutral international city.

May 14, 1948: State of Israel declared.

[Rowdee]

Interesting reading....

[Exit148]

I received this e-mail today. Just passing it along-----

From Shuly (Israel Chamber of commerce)

Nationhood and Jerusalem
- Israel became a nation in 1312 B.C.E., two thousand years before the rise of Islam. Arab refugees in Israel began identifying themselves as part of a Palestinian people in 1967, two decades after the establishment of the modern State of Israel.

- Since the Jewish conquest in 1272 B.C.E. the Jews have had dominion over the land for one thousand years with a continuous presence in the land for the past 3,300 years. The only Arab dominion since the conquest in 635 C.E. lasted no more than 22 years.

- For over 3,300 years, Jerusalem has been the Jewish capital Jerusalem has never been the capital of any Arab or Muslim entity. Even when the Jordanians occupied Jerusalem, they never sought to make it their capital, and Arab leaders did not come to visit.

- Jerusalem is mentioned over 700 times in Tanach, the Jewish Holy Scriptures. Jerusalem is not mentioned once in the Koran.

- King David founded the city of Jerusalem. Mohammed never came to Jerusalem.

- Jews pray facing Jerusalem. Muslims pray with their backs toward Jerusalem.> > Arab and Jewish Refugees

- In 1948 the Arab refugees were encouraged to leave Israel by Arab leaders promising to purge the land of Jews. Sixty-eight percent left without ever seeing an Israeli soldier. The Jewish refugees were forced to flee from Arab lands due to Arab brutality, persecution and pogroms.

- The number of Arab refugees who left Israel in 1948 is estimated to be around 630,000. The number of Jewish refugees from Arab lands is estimated to be the same.

- Arab refugees were intentionally not absorbed or integrated into the Arab lands to which they fled, despite the vast Arab territory. Out of the 100,000,000 refugees since World War II, theirs is the only refugee group in the world that has never been absorbed or integrated into their own peoples' lands. Jewish refugees were completely absorbed into Israel, a country no larger than the state of New Jersey.

The Arab - Israeli Conflict
- The Arabs are represented by eight separate nations, not including the Palestinians. There is only one Jewish nation.

- The Arab nations initiated all five wars and lost. Israel defended itself each time and won.

- The P.L.O.'s Charter still calls for the destruction of the State of Israel. Israel has given the Palestinians most of the West Bank land, autonomy under the Palestinian Authority, and has supplied them with weapons.

- Under Jordanian rule, Jewish holy sites were desecrated and the Jews were denied access to places of worship. Under Israeli rule, all Muslim and Christian sites have been preserved and made accessible to people of all faiths.

The U.N. Record on Israel and the Arabs
- Of the 175 Security Council resolutions passed before 1990, 97 were directed against Israel.

- Of the 690 General Assembly resolutions voted on before 1990, 429 were directed against Israel.

- The U.N was silent while 58 Jerusalem Synagogues were destroyed by the Jordanians.

- The U.N. was silent while the Jordanians systematically desecrated the ancient Jewish cemetery on the Mount of Olives.

- The U.N. was silent while the Jordanians enforced an apartheid-like policy of preventing Jews from visiting the Temple Mount and the Western Wall.

[zeaal]

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[endthematrix]

The Palestinian flag was originally designed by Sharif Hussein for the Arab revolt against the Ottoman Empire in 1916. In 1917, it was raised as the flag of the Arab National movement. On October 18, 1948, the all-Palestine Government readopted the flag in Gaza and the Arab League subsequently recognized it as the flag of the Palestinian people. It was again officially adopted as the flag of the Palestinian people by the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) in 1964. On November 15, 1988 the PLO adopted the flag as the flag of the State of Palestine. Today the flag is flown widely by Palestinians and their supporters.

[PGalt]

Thanks for the 2002 post; thread...linked at reddit today by poster Mamemoo (about half-way down in the posts)...

https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/7ladu6/the_us_at_the_un_today/

[PGalt]

(OOOPS 3/4ths of the way down)