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Christianity, War & America
Wednesday on the Web ^ | 10/10/01 | Thomas G. West

Posted on 10/10/2001 6:27:30 PM PDT by L,TOWM

On Tuesday, September 11, a small band of brave and fanatical men murdered more than 6,000 Americans. I see two moods developing in the wake of those attacks. Among the people of America, I see patriotism, a spirit of self-help, a willingness to stand up and carry on. Among some of our leaders, unfortunately, I see a different reaction. The FAA has issued a vast new set of burdensome regulations that will do little to improve airline safety, but that will continue to intrude into the constitutional liberties of law-abiding Americans and that may well cripple the airline industry while making air travel much more difficult and expensive. I hear of meetings and events being cancelled for no particular reason, just because of a vague sense of fear that is abroad. A terrorist is someone who seeks to spread terror — that is, an unreasoning fear — among people he hates. Yes, America has suffered a blow. But why should we crawl into a corner and cower because of one spectacular mass-murder? Let us proceed with firmness of purpose and get on with our lives, as Christians and as Americans.

In one of the rental cars used by the hijackers, the authorities found two notable items: a copy of a flight manual, and a copy of the Koran. The hijackers did what they did because they believed they were serving the cause of God.

I know of no American who believes that it is God’s will for you to murder large numbers of innocent people. Many Muslims, although far from all, also reject that doctrine. But why? How do we know that the hijackers were not following God’s will?

A Christian might answer: We know because God has told us, Thou shalt not kill. Christ teaches peace, not war; forgiveness, not revenge; turn the other cheek, not retaliation.


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A long read, but worth it. Several good points are made by Dr. West
1 posted on 10/10/2001 6:27:30 PM PDT by L,TOWM (Liberals, The Other White Meat)
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To: L,TOWM
The rest of this essay is HERE
2 posted on 10/10/2001 6:30:23 PM PDT by L,TOWM
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To: Uriel1975;Aske15:Prodigal Daughter;Kevin Curry;Cultural Jihad
For your perusal.
3 posted on 10/10/2001 6:32:39 PM PDT by L,TOWM
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To: Manny Festo;sinkspur;BibChr;Radio Astronomer;Thinkin' Gal;Alas
Grab a cup and enjoy the read...
4 posted on 10/10/2001 6:36:24 PM PDT by L,TOWM
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To: Mercuria;AnnaZ;StoneColdGOP;DoughtyOne;gc4nra;sixstring;Lady Jenn
So Cal Bump.
5 posted on 10/10/2001 6:38:33 PM PDT by L,TOWM
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To: OWK;Storm Orphan;Sakic;one particular harbor;appy pappy
You may find some interesting points in this rather long read.
6 posted on 10/10/2001 6:43:02 PM PDT by L,TOWM
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To: L,TOWM
When someone, let's say Islam, which includes a billion people more or less, declares war on you, a reasonable person would conclude that you are at war whether you want to be or not. So let's grease them ASAP. If there are moral and philosophical questions in the aftermath, these can be discussed later when this bunch of terrorist garbage is in the pig's trough where it belongs.
7 posted on 10/10/2001 6:44:40 PM PDT by mathurine
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To: L,TOWM
Thank you for the flag.

Two disagreements I have with the author; using the Bible as its own dictionary confirms that the Bible says Thou Shalt Not Murder. When the distinction isn't made between killing and murdering, people suppose Christianity is about pacifism. Second complaint I have for the author: could we stop using calling Allah God? Allah is not God.

Other than that, I skimmed the article (for more detailed reading later) and thought it was very good.

8 posted on 10/10/2001 6:51:59 PM PDT by Prodigal Daughter
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To: L,TOWM
On Tuesday, September 11, a small band of brave and fanatical men murdered more than 6,000 Americans.

You suggest we read someone who begins his piece by stating that these fanatically obsessed, delusional cultists were "brave?" My thanks to this writer for letting me know up front that his material is confused and unnecessary.

9 posted on 10/10/2001 6:52:02 PM PDT by unspun
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To: Prodigal Daughter
I agree; a look at a good concordance or hebrew interlinear gives the correct translation. It is unfortunate that the KJV did drop the ball ocaisionally...
10 posted on 10/10/2001 6:55:36 PM PDT by L,TOWM
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To: Prodigal Daughter
Actually, "Allah" has the same root (and may actually be pronounced the same, I'm thinking) as a Hebrew word for God, as written in the OT. If the false prophesy that brought about Islam used the Skandanavian-rooted word "God," it wouldn't make any difference.
11 posted on 10/10/2001 6:55:40 PM PDT by unspun
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To: unspun
You suggest we read someone who begins his piece by stating that these fanatically obsessed, delusional cultists were "brave?" My thanks to this writer for letting me know up front that his material is confused and unnecessary.

I am not too sure of your point. If he had referred to the conduct of French or Italian soldiers in WWII as being "brave", then I would agree with you about the label "confused". My great uncle, a Marine in the Big One, made several disparaging remarks about the Japanese he fought against, but always added that they were brave men (often to the point of being foolhardy).

12 posted on 10/10/2001 7:01:16 PM PDT by L,TOWM
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To: unspun
I believe the Hebrew word signifying God's name translates as YAHWEH, which has been mistranslated as Jehovah. The Hebrews were so concerned that they not say God's name in vain that they usually just show the letters YHWH, won't even pronounce it. I don't know if that's anywhere near the Islamic roots of the word, but the Arabs and the Hebrews are brothers, as they have a common father in Abraham. At any rate, there is a big difference between YAHWEH and Allah, and it isn't just language....
13 posted on 10/10/2001 7:06:59 PM PDT by nobdysfool
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To: L,TOWM
To be brave, one must have a grasp for what he is involved in --the danger and harm. These men decided to undergo what amounts to brainwashing (perhaps systematically) so that they believed they were simply improving their lot, dying in "Jihad."

Another example would be Jim Jones killing his followers and himself. He was not brave.

Bravery requires having a sense of reality. It is also not usually a word that would describe mass murderers, nor suicide victims.

14 posted on 10/10/2001 7:09:22 PM PDT by unspun
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To: nobdysfool
See: http://www.dictionary.com/cgi-bin/dict.pl?term=allah

There you'll find:
Al·lah (l, äl)
n.
God, especially in Islam.
[Arabic Allh : al-, the + ’ilh, god; see l in Semitic Roots.

In Hebrew, the syllables "Yah" (Yahweh) and "El" (Elohim) are used alternatively. It's not the consonants and vowels that make a difference, it's the definition. A Bible translator translating in to Arabic dialects would be correct to use "Allah," where the same have used "God" in English. It's not the letters and pronunciation, it's the Allah.

Blessings in the name of Y'shua, "the Word made flesh," for all.

15 posted on 10/10/2001 7:22:23 PM PDT by unspun
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To: L,TOWM
If, in the end, it boils down to the question of turning the other cheek, or following the interpretation "thou shalt not kill" then in the end this may be precisely why your God allows one to sin, but then ask forgiveness.

We are, after all, only human, my friend.

Only one, by your lights, has been perfect.

And he forgives. Godspeed.

16 posted on 10/10/2001 7:32:41 PM PDT by Storm Orphan
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To: unspun
OK, I can deal with that.

The reality of these people being at war with us is what I believe the author was trying to convey. Part of their delusion (IMHO) is that the are "soldiers" in some kind of a justifiable war. Understand, the will to perform acts like this make for some dangerous opponnents; I think it would not serve us well to dismiss them as being a bunch rifle dropping, mass surrendering pansies like the WWII Italians.

17 posted on 10/10/2001 7:50:38 PM PDT by L,TOWM
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To: Storm Orphan
Dr. West actually makes the case that waging war and even engaging in some judicious cheerleading, in this case is not sinful.

Much in the same way that some of the Colonial Pastors urged their congregations to take up arms and "kill" for their liberty.

Augustine, Aquinas, Calvin, and Luther (among others) have tackled this issue much better than I could. Christ himself urged his disciples to get swords, even if they needed to sell their cloaks to buy them the night before he was crucified. (Luke 22:36) In a fallen and sinful world, force is sometimes the only solution; indeed, the one MORAL response to pure, murderous, and irrational EVIL.

18 posted on 10/10/2001 8:00:41 PM PDT by L,TOWM
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To: unspun
Blessings in the name of Y'shua, "the Word made flesh," for all.

Worth repeating and screaming from the mountaintops.

19 posted on 10/10/2001 8:02:56 PM PDT by L,TOWM
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To: L,TOWM
So long as that force is used in self-defense and not initiated.

So says this "Ego," if you know what I mean.

20 posted on 10/10/2001 8:04:18 PM PDT by Storm Orphan
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