Posted on 11/04/2023 6:57:44 AM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
The idea of a Ukrainian conventional war with a neighbor the size of Russia was a deranged pipe dream from the get-go. It had to have been only for graft by grifters. What a huge cost of lives and money. Probably the costliest U.S. boondoggle yet and it’s still going on. The war for ‘as long it takes!’
Timber Rattlers and forever war drones hardest hit.
Nearly every agreement between Russia, the EU and the USA has been
broken, so there would have to be concrete guarantees to end the war:
<><>Zelensky has to go; let him clean out his offshore accounts teaming w/ American aid,
<><>Zelensky should stay in exile and never show his flopola face, again.
<><>Ukraine would have to pledge to never join NATO.
No longer needed, now that enough of the knee-jerk American public is supporting the transfer of funding to war in the Middle East.
Not one more dollar!
It’s a video of a CNN broadcast, you plank
They may not be winning the war, but they’re definitely going to get this year’s International Panhandling Award.
U.S., European officials broach topic of peace negotiations with Ukraine, sources say
FR / 11/4/2023, 9:39:52 AM · by janetjanet998
WASHINGTON — U.S. and European officials have begun quietly talking to the Ukrainian government about what possible peace negotiations with Russia might entail to end the war, according to one current senior U.S. official and one former senior U.S. official familiar with the discussions.
The conversations have included very broad outlines of what Ukraine might need to give up to reach a deal, the officials said.
Some of the talks, which officials described as delicate, took place last month during a meeting of representatives from more than 50 nations supporting Ukraine, including NATO members, known as the Ukraine Defense Contact...snip
The Democrats have had nearly 100% compliance when it comes to supporting this foreign policy boondoggle. That means that virtually all of them have egg on their faces. But they are all basically rudderless tools so by the time the real electioneering begins next year they will be insisting that all of the death, destruction, massive waste of taxpayer funds, and the destruction of Western economies was the fault of Republicans and the right.
And they will point to the brainless neocons who will no doubt still be calling for more of the same and providing the Dems with cover.
Hopefully, the Republicans in Congress can use this leak from the Zelensky team to fashion a throwing good money after bad political argument to defeat the 60 billion dollar administration war funding request
Good point——Democrats stick together and have nearly 100% compliance supporting this Ukranian foreign policy boondoggle.....so by next year’s election, they will be insisting that the death, destruction, the massive waste of taxpayer funds, and the destruction of Western economies was actually the “fault” of Republicans, and those wild-eyed right-wingers.
'We're losing': Ukrainians reel from war chief's stalemate warning France 24, 4 November 2023
Ukraine Has Run Out of Time Newsweek, October 19, 2023
For Ukraine, 'defending' means losing The Hill, 21 September, 2023
Zelenskyy to US Lawmakers: Ukraine Will Lose War Without US Aid Voice of America, September 21, 2023
The West's Patience Is Running Shorter Than Ukraine's War Bloomberg, 23 September 2023
Time for a Cease Fire?
“Nearly every agreement between Russia, the EU and the USA has been broken...”
And Russia has been the cause of the broken agreements??????
“Considering nearly every agreement between Russia, the EU and the USA has been broken any agreement to end the war would have to have some pretty concrete guarantees between the warring parties.”
Looking at human history, there are no long term “concrete guarantees” between nations. Alliances shift, treaties are broken or sunsetted. Nations that survive act in their own self interest. When interests change, treaties and allies are abandoned and new alliances are formed.
The present government of the United States has turned on its own citizens. The US government has a history of abandoning agreements including the many atrocities associated with broken treaties signed with Native American tribes. In recent decades the US government has invaded multiple countries or topple regimes through covert activity in the name of installing democracy around the world. Yet at the same time it spies on its citizens, censors free speech, and fails to protect the homeland from invasion. Why would any nation today believe a treaty or alliance with the United States would be “concrete”.
Zelenskyy aide on corruption in Ukraine: 'People are stealing like there's no tomorrow' Fox News, 20 October 2023Investigation of Corruption in Energy Sector is a Top Priority Kyiv Post, 27 September 2023
Ukraine Detains Official Who Helped Men Flee Draft Kyiv Post, 22 August 2023
"Any Hint" of Corruption "Unacceptable": interview for Kyiv Post NAFTO GAZ, 17 October 2023
Corruption accusations continue to plague top Zelenskiy aides Reuters, 19 September 2023
How much progress has Ukraine's government made against corruption? NPR, 10 October 2023
'Ukrainians understand corruption can kill': Kyiv takes on an old enemy Guardian UK, 19 September 2023
Leaked U.S. strategy on Ukraine sees corruption as the real threat Politico EU, 19 September 2023
Ukraine uncovers corruption scheme implicating top officials Politico EU, 25 August 2023
Is Ukraine really interested in fighting corruption? Economist, 4 September 2023
US increases pressure on Ukraine to do more to counter corruption CNN, 3 October 2023
Battling corruption in Ukraine Financial Times, 30 September 2023
Ukraine struggles to curb corruption in its military Deutsche Welle, 17 August 2023
Corruption Is an Existential Threat to Ukraine, and Ukrainians Know It New York Times, 10 September 2023
Discontent grows over wartime corruption in Ukraine EuroNews, 8 September 2023
Corruption scandals continue to sweep Ukraine's government TIME, 13 January 2023
"In one poll, 77.6% of surveyed Ukrainians said Zelenskyy was responsible for government corruption."
Zelenskyy fires recruitment officials for accepting $10,000 bribes. Almost all Ukrainians think the country has a problem with corruption, survey suggests. Business Insider, 13 August 2023
"The majority of Ukrainians believe that President Volodymyr Zelenskyy is directly responsible for dealing with corruption in the government and in military administrations."
Almost 80% of Ukrainians consider Zelenskyy responsible for dealing with corruption in government and military administrations Pravda UA, 11 September 2023
The US demands anti-corruption measures from Ukraine in exchange for economic aid EL PAÍS USA Edition, 26 September 2023
Putting Ukraine's corruption problem in context The Hill, 18 September 2023
Corruption in Ukraine: can crackdown on military change the course of conflict? FRANCE 24, 5 September 2023
Ukraine's anti-graft police zero in on major wartime corruption Japan Times, 22 August 2023
Ol’ Drop-A-Deuce as the Angel of Death...
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