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THE USELESSNESS OF SOLAR ENERGY
Power Line ^ | DECEMBER 30, 2021 | JOHN HINDERAKER

Posted on 12/31/2021 4:10:30 AM PST by george76

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To: Ronaldus Magnus III

Wow, interesting. Thanks. The thing is my dad is disabled but he refuses to see a neurologist and gets very vicious whenever we suggest it. I think he’s afraid of what they may discover, but he definitely has some form of dementia. He forgets and his sense of logic, suspicion is completely warped.


101 posted on 12/31/2021 9:53:00 AM PST by GrandJediMasterYoda (As long as Hillary Clinton remains free, the USA will never have equal justice under the law)
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To: BobL

“I’d be fine with only conservative women voting, but it’s hard to see how to do that.”

The same way you should go about it with conservative men. Realize that they are not born, they’re made. It comes from upbringing and conservative culture. Something that conservatives have been very slow to realize and build. It’s happening now (somewhat) but had been mostly ignored for several decades. The left wasn’t so negligent which is why we face most of the problems we do.


102 posted on 12/31/2021 10:15:22 AM PST by RKBA Democrat (Cultural separation and divorce. Not partisan politics.)
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To: RKBA Democrat

Sadly it’s a numbers game. For instance, Reagan was FORCED by the ‘women’s vote’ to put Sandra Dee on the Supreme Court, and with that the country became even more Leftist. Just one of many examples.

Trying to convince women (in general) to use rational thought when voting is no different than trying to convince men (in general) to base their vote on ‘feelings’ is a losing game. Some will move the right way, but not nearly enough. Otherwise Bork would have been on the Supreme Court.


103 posted on 12/31/2021 10:20:38 AM PST by BobL (I shop at Walmart and eat at McDonald's, I just don't tell anyone, like most here.)
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To: george76

Thinking themselves wise

they had become fools.

7


104 posted on 12/31/2021 10:23:28 AM PST by infool7 (Society has now operated for decades under the (false)base premise that the world is overpopulated?)
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

I’m a couple years older than your dad & I can smell these scams coming, but I guess someone out there must fall for them. We even have solar arrays in the small town areas & I haven’t been able to find out what they are producing or what they cost. I guess those who have already been snookered don’t want their name in the “letters to the editor” column. This is not to say that solar energy might not have a place in small limited instances.


105 posted on 12/31/2021 12:03:44 PM PST by oldtech
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To: Wonder Warthog

Seen em all.... Thanks! :)


106 posted on 12/31/2021 12:22:49 PM PST by clee1 (We use 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 2 to pull a trigger. I'm lazy and I'm tired of smiling.)
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To: george76

The problem with solar in the winter, is that the Sun is so
low in the sky, and the Sun is in the sky for a much shorter
period of time. I observe that in Los Angeles. Imagine how
much worse it is in Minnesota.

I think that solar works much better on site, than it does
from the model of a large energy complex.

People have batteries on their own property, and this can
fill in on cloudy days or at night.

Large solar farms don’t always have a massive batter bank
to draw from off peak solar hours.

I use solar and a battery system.

I’m eyeing some new cells to charge my BMW i3s Rex. I’m
shooting for 20 to 80% in five hours or less.


107 posted on 12/31/2021 2:22:24 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Democrats, fixing things that haven't been broken, so they don't work, for over 197 years.)
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To: clee1

Last summer I took a 12v refrigerator with me camping, and planned to use a 150 watt panel to charge up the power pod during the day.

If it was a sunny day and I set everything up by 10am, I could recharge the battery by late afternoon. If it was cloudy, hardly worth the effort to set up for less than a 50 watt output.

It works, but without a large battery backup you’re on thin ice.


108 posted on 12/31/2021 3:21:57 PM PST by Not_Who_U_Think
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To: george76

I have been trying for days to get information of the cost per kilowatt hour of various energy sources.

Searches all seem to bring up the same papers from sources that I don’t trust showing that solar and wind is the cheapest.

What I’m looking for is simple -

the average cost of energy from coal is X amount per kw/hr
natural gas
nuclear
oil
solar
wind
etc

You get the idea... a straight up cost comparison.

Those papers all get into these rambling explanations of build costs, fixed costs, variable costs, yadda yadda yadda.

Got into a ‘discussion’ with a liberal family member about this over the holidays and couldn’t find a source I trusted.


109 posted on 12/31/2021 7:55:14 PM PST by NorthernTraveler
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To: NorthernTraveler

Coal : 2004 , electricity costs in Kentucky were 4.63 cents per kilowatt- hour .. US average per KWh was 7.62 cents.. there is a list of the states.

http://www.coaleducation.org/ky_coal_facts/electricity/average_cost.htm

2019 : Natural gas: a megawatt- hour of electricity costs about $20. .. wind or solar electricity costs about $80 a megawatt-hour.. batteries are very costly for moving electricity.. $270 per megawatt-hour..

$270 includes the cost of replacing the battery every five years. The batteries have to be air-conditioned and .. further comments thru the thread.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3772445/posts

2007 : Coal is the lowest cost energy, costing 1/3 to 1/4 the cost of energy from natural gas, nuclear and renewable energy resources.

https://web.archive.org/web/20080907012203/http://newsbusters.org/blogs/terry-trippany/2007/08/07/founder-mine-company-slams-press-misleading-reporting


110 posted on 12/31/2021 10:04:37 PM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: servantboy777
have any of you guys heard/read about this hydrogen technology, specifically using H2O. The technology agitates (simplified Texas Tawk) water, causing the hydrogen to be released from the water with the byproduct of the process being...oxygen.

Yeah, electrolysis, learned about it in the 9th grade back in the 60s.

It's slow and takes more power to generate that hydrogen than it will produce when burned. Unless the electricity is free.

111 posted on 01/01/2022 7:28:21 PM PST by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves Month")
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To: mund1011

Sounds like we are almost neighbors. If I were one of those solar con men I’d target the homes with those signs.

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112 posted on 01/01/2022 7:39:33 PM PST by Lurker (Peaceful coexistence with the Left is not possible. Stop pretending that it is. )
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

>>Yeah, electrolysis, learned about it in the 9th grade back in the 60s.<<

>>It’s slow and takes more power to generate that hydrogen than it will produce when burned. Unless the electricity is free.<<

If you’d paid close attention to the university scientist in the video, you would have gleaned that the energy output from the burning saltwater reached 1500 degrees C. Approximately 2700 degrees F.

I’m thinking the energy in from the freq. generator was much much lower than the energy output realized.


113 posted on 01/02/2022 6:59:05 AM PST by servantboy777
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To: Bobalu

NET: Ours is a commercially supplied system with Enphase controllers/combiners, and LG panels. 240V. 10 kWh battery. IQ7+ inverters all around.


114 posted on 01/02/2022 12:42:35 PM PST by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur: ad ferre non, velit esse sine defensione)
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To: suthener

Batteries are like bath tubs full of electricity, so two factors come into play to answer your question:

1. The total storage (usable) available, ie how many kilowatt hours of electricity are in the battery

2. How fast (at what amperage) can it discharge (a) for startup/surge loads, and (b) how fast can it discharge continuously.

A single Enphase 10kWh or Tesla 12 kWh Powerwall CANNOT reliably operate ANYTHING on a 240V circuit. I have a single battery that’ll handle 16 amps continuous, with somethin’ like 29 AMPs surge for 40 seconds. If you have TWO batteries, then just double that, and you can operate 240V appliances that AREN’t 50 amp circuits. Ya ain’t gonna operate your electric oven or other 50 AMP circuits. You CAN absolutely operate a 110V AC or a 240V AC that is on a 20 AMP breaker. REM: how long you can operate it varies by your total load X hours. On a single battery we could easily run all our 110V critical circuits *AND* add a window unit for the master *IF* we wanted to. We cook with gas and the microwave is a no brainer, as is the coffee maker. Not gonna run the hot water heater til the sun comes up, so just adjust your lifestyle if the grid is down.

240V well pump? run it during the day or have 2 batteries. If you have a modest shallow well pump, then get the electrician to tell you the surge and continuous loads.

In the end, it’s just electricity. IF you aren’t well-schooled in loads, then get the advice of an electrician. 5 minute conversation. If you are looking into solar, Enphase even has an online estimator/ system sizer to help you make good choices.

Note well - a solar battery is PRICEY. And you’d better be a master electrician trained on solar controllers before you attempt a DIY. *IF* your life and health require 240V circuits to operate when the grid is down, then buy the right inverter generator WITH a suitable 240V load capability. That’ll be big bucks, but FAR less than a solar battery.

Remember - I bought the battery with our system NOT to run the house, but to enable SILENT resiliency of critical circuits if the grid is down.

If you still have questions, just post a reply. Thanks.


115 posted on 01/02/2022 12:57:31 PM PST by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur: ad ferre non, velit esse sine defensione)
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To: Blueflag

Thanks.


116 posted on 01/02/2022 1:22:42 PM PST by suthener ( )
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To: Blueflag

Best source of info I have found is Will Prowse. He has a YouTube channel, a website, and a book. He covers both home and RV installations. Very knowledgable, very thorough, and very honest.


117 posted on 01/03/2022 7:08:14 AM PST by Wonder Warthog (Not Responding to Seagull Snark)
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