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To: bort

It is highly unlikely that the officers INTENDED to kill Floyd in the act of subduing him. Intent plays crucially into any criminal charge.


4 posted on 05/28/2020 4:52:17 PM PDT by fwdude (Poverty is nearly always a mindset, which canÂ’t be cured by cash)
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To: fwdude

I know. Just ask Comey about Hillary, right?


12 posted on 05/28/2020 4:59:40 PM PDT by pdunkin
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To: fwdude

I do not know the laws in MN. But-you do not necessarily need INTENT to be charged. That is false. There are a whole host of charges that can be filed without intent-such as manslaughter. In Texas, for the manslaughter charge, there is no requirement for intent if you can prove recklessness (DUI, for example). Intoxication manslaughter has zero intent required, but you sure as heck can be charged.


13 posted on 05/28/2020 5:00:19 PM PDT by NELSON111 (Congress: The Ralph Wolf and Sam Sheepdog show. Theater for sheep. My politics determines my "hero")
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To: fwdude

Criminal intent does not apply whatsoever in a reckless, or negligeny second degree homicide case. They are general intent crimes. You can take that to the bank.


16 posted on 05/28/2020 5:02:10 PM PDT by Sasparilla ( I'm Not Tired of Winning)
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To: fwdude

t is highly unlikely that the officers INTENDED to kill Floyd in the act of subduing him. Intent plays crucially into any criminal charge.
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I don’t think the district attorneys’s comment was about the intent of the officers. I could be wrong, but my antennas went off when I saw that the autopsy was inconclusive and the medical examiner had ordered further testing. Obviously, to prove someone guilty of murder or manslaughter, you must prove that that individual caused the death of the victim. My gut says that the initial autopsy did not show that the officers caused his death. The statement made by the prosecutor was not made lightly. He clearly was trying to lower expectations for an indictment. Or perhaps the other evidence pertains to the 3 officers who did not knee the victim. We shall see.


20 posted on 05/28/2020 5:04:14 PM PDT by bort
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To: fwdude

“It is highly unlikely that the officers INTENDED to kill Floyd in the act of subduing him. Intent plays crucially into any criminal charge.”
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You’re quite right which, assuming they can’t find intent and premeditation, the maximum charge is MURDER IN THE THIRD DEGREE. That’s good for 25 years.


58 posted on 05/28/2020 5:31:22 PM PDT by House Atreides (It is not a HOAX but it IS CERTAINLY A PRETEXT.)
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To: fwdude

talk today is he worked with his victim at a nightclub.


132 posted on 05/28/2020 9:44:49 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (Joe Biden- "First thing I'd do is repeal those Trump tax cuts." (May 4th, 2019))
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To: fwdude
"It is highly unlikely that the officers INTENDED to kill Floyd in the act of subduing him. Intent plays crucially into any criminal charge."

Not the way you mean it. In this case it doesn't matter if they intended to kill him. The officer with a knee on his neck intended to put his knee on his neck. It wasn't an accident. The question is whether that act was legally justified.

146 posted on 05/28/2020 11:20:18 PM PDT by mlo
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To: fwdude; Pelham
Incorrect dude

People are charged with manslaughter and negligent homicide every day With no intent

This is a fallacy promoted here there has to be intent for criminal charges

Bunk

Your Rottweiler kills a neighbor

You didn’t intend it but you’re gonna get charged

Here is the San Francisco cane corso case

Lovely woman killed by their two dogs ...Diane Whipple

One Of the two dog owners was actually convicted of second degree murder

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Diane_Whipple

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154 posted on 05/28/2020 11:40:05 PM PDT by wardaddy (I applaud Jim Robinson for his comments on the Southern Monuments decision ...thank you)
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To: fwdude

Intent plays crucially into any criminal charge.


Especially emailing classified information.


197 posted on 05/29/2020 2:41:39 AM PDT by nesnah (Liberals - the petulant children of politics)
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To: fwdude
It is highly unlikely that the officers INTENDED to kill Floyd in the act of subduing him. Intent plays crucially into any criminal charge.

In Minnesota third degree murder does not require intent. Only "perpetrating an act eminently dangerous to others and evincing a depraved mind, without regard for human life..." It's not hard making that case in this incident.

207 posted on 05/29/2020 3:26:16 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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