Posted on 05/23/2020 7:05:26 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
They always underestimate us. First it was King George III, then it was Kaiser Wilhelm. Then came the fascists of Japan, followed quickly by Adolf Hitler. Then came Stalin, followed by a succession of Russian communists. Now it's the chairman of the Communist Party of China, Xi Jinping.
Our 40th President, Ronald Reagan, promised to dump the Russian communists on the ash heap of history and proceeded to do just that. We will do the same to the Chinese communists, and we will do it as a united nation, with all partisanship set aside. The American people demand nothing less.
We've finally found something Speaker Pelosi and President Trump agree on. With their crackdown on the brave people of Hong Kong, the communists have crossed their red line. If exporting the Wuhan virus wasn't enough, this brutal betrayal of the people of Hong Kong demonstrates beyond doubt that the Chinese communists are just like all the communists all over the world. They are reckless, indifferent to human life and suffering, and hungry for world power. They will stop at nothing — unless they are stopped.
Our policy with China must be nothing less than regime change. We want the people of China to overthrow the Communist Party and replace it with a new government of their choosing. Hopefully, it will be democratic, but that's up to them.
We will not go to war with the Chinese communists, just as we didn't have a shooting war with the Russian communists. It won't be necessary to put boots on the ground. There will be no military conflict unless they choose to somehow confront the United States Navy in the South China Sea. But they can't be that foolish, can they?
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Yeah, let's see if those billionaires stay billionaires after they go against the government, or some local official.
Sounds bloody.
Only because we got into the fight.
Make too much money in the stock markets and they will kill you for it. Travel abroad and you are always obligated to do the CCP’s bidding. Their selected front men, such as MA, have been selected to put a capitalist veneer on their totalitarian system. Not too different from all party/guv officials in such systems having vastly greater wealth than their comrades.
That “capitalism” is an elaborate, government and party run, charade.
“Make too much money in the stock markets and they will kill you for it.”
Sounds familiar.
“That “capitalism” is an elaborate, government and party run, charade.”
Yes, a lot like here.
The point is neither system is communism or pue capitalism. Get your head out of the sand and learn the definition of words - they matter when you try to analyze things and solve problems... and make a coherent argument.
“Yeah, let’s see if those billionaires stay billionaires after they go against the government, or some local official.”
I believe I stated as much. The same is true here.
Any corporation here will be destroyed if it doesn’t toe the politically correct line, or bucks regulations. Even little mom and pop shops.
And if they choose the CCP?
Germany and Austria still have severe restrictions on political organizing and elections, to make sure the people don't "choose wrong".
Do you place any limits on what the people of China would choose, and by what right do you impose those limits?
At least in the case of Germany and Austria, those limits were imposed by right of conquest. I presume you have no plan to conquer China.
So, who are you to say how the people there choose to be governed?
What size land forces would you estimate would be needed to accomplish your goals? And presuming the number is larger than our existing Army and Marine Corps (and presuming any President stupid enough to do this would not be immediately removed by Congress), how would you raise, transport, and supply those forces?
You don't seriously believe the US would go to war over Hong Kong or Taiwan, do you?
Well, that may be so in your opinion, but that it is part of China has been US foreign policy since 1973.
RE: You don’t seriously believe the US would go to war over Hong Kong or Taiwan, do you?
How about arming Taiwan?
When conditions are right for the PLA to occupy Taiwan, they will be received as the German Army was entering Austria in 1938.
The situation is significantly more ambiguous than that:
“The official position of the United States is that China is expected to “use no force or threat[en] to use force against Taiwan” and that Taiwan is to “exercise prudence in managing all aspects of Cross-Strait relations.” Both are to refrain from performing actions or espousing statements “that would unilaterally alter Taiwan’s status.”[31] The United States maintains the American Institute in Taiwan.
The United States, Canada, the United Kingdom, India, Pakistan and Japan have formally adopted the One China policy, under which the People’s Republic of China is theoretically the sole legitimate government of China. However, the United States and Japan acknowledge rather than recognize the PRC position that Taiwan is part of China. In the case of Canada[32] and the UK, bilateral written agreements state that the two respective parties take note of Beijing’s position but do not use the word support. The UK government position that “the future of Taiwan be decided peacefully by the peoples of both sides of the Strait” has been stated several times. Despite the PRC claim that the United States opposes Taiwanese independence, the United States takes advantage of the subtle difference between “oppose” and “does not support”. In fact, a substantial majority of the statements Washington has made says that it “does not support Taiwan independence” instead of saying that it “opposes” independence. Thus, the US currently does not take a position on the political outcome, except for one explicit condition that there be a peaceful resolution to the differences between the two sides of the Taiwan Strait.[31] The United States bi-partisan position is that it doesn’t recognize the PRC’s claim over Taiwan, and considers Taiwan’s status as unsettled.[33] All of this ambiguity has resulted in the United States constantly walking on a diplomatic tightrope with regard to cross strait relations.”
Some idiots will just never learn.
Well, I think of the Chicaps. The friction is between the Chicoms and the Chicaps.
Regarding that division, the single largest public offering in the history of the New York Stock exchange was Alibaba. That was the action of Chicaps who essentially put the Thomas Register on the Internet.
I have no clue as to how it will turn out.
The legitimate Chinese government is in exile on Taiwan.
Make too much money in the stock markets and they will kill you for it. Travel abroad and you are always obligated to do the CCP’s bidding. Their selected front men, such as MA, have been selected to put a capitalist veneer on their totalitarian system. Not too different from all party/guv officials in such systems having vastly greater wealth than their comrades.
That “capitalism” is an elaborate, government and party run, charade.
China isn't like Eastern Europe. It's more like Russia. It has superpower status and considers itself to be a different civilization from the West, so it's not going to just adapt to Western models. They don't have much experience of Western democracy. They have much experience of tyranny, and anarchic periods which they fear will return, so they value unity above other things. So I think they don't want to rock the boat and risk disunity and internal strife. In contrast to Russia, though, China has become very productive economically.
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