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Doctor, former Kansas governor says coronavirus patients 'doing better' in testing with anti-malaria drug
foxnews.com ^ | 3/25/20 | Julia Musto

Posted on 03/25/2020 10:36:56 PM PDT by a little elbow grease

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To: a little elbow grease
In the future, he'll have a descendant named Teela Brown.

81 posted on 03/26/2020 7:39:03 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: Robert DeLong

I did not mention ‘stable’, the virus replicates by taking over the RNA to DNA transfer process so by zinc destroying that exchange process the virus cannot mutate to avoid the way it reproduces.


82 posted on 03/26/2020 8:02:32 AM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: MHGinTN

What is your background, if I may ask?


83 posted on 03/26/2020 8:06:28 AM PDT by Robert DeLong
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To: Robert DeLong
20+ years as a cardio-vascular and Pulmonary specialist with big Pharma ... company shall not be named.

Here is the video you need to watch (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7F1cnWup9M&feature).

84 posted on 03/26/2020 8:18:45 AM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: Robert DeLong

The info on zinc starts at about 1:35 minute.


85 posted on 03/26/2020 8:20:35 AM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: MHGinTN

Okay, then I now know you are speaking from a vantage point of knowledge. Good to know that is not the case. Thanks. 8>)


86 posted on 03/26/2020 8:33:40 AM PDT by Robert DeLong
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To: Robert DeLong
Fellow Freeper, we are all, well most all, here to help each other. We old farts do that as best we can from a lifetime of experiences.

This entire scene is now causing me to wonder why hydroxychloroquine and zinc supplementation is not tested for use on the aids virus, and flu viruses and, well you get the gist. Oddly, this was used by a few physicians to treat SARS and MERS, with success. When it comes to big pharma money talks and ethics walks

87 posted on 03/26/2020 8:41:09 AM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: MHGinTN

No doubt, but they also spend big money in the process getting to the point where a profit can be realized. Great profits but lots of risks as well I assume. It’s times like these that you appreciate them more, but still complain about the prices.


88 posted on 03/26/2020 8:48:10 AM PDT by Robert DeLong
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To: Robert DeLong

The stories I could tell you about big pharma and the FDA would curl your hair. Corruption is endemic.


89 posted on 03/26/2020 9:47:06 AM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: MHGinTN

No doubt, but then I think corruption is pandemic in this country anymore, in all areas.


90 posted on 03/26/2020 10:02:43 AM PDT by Robert DeLong
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To: Shethink13
A vaccine is NOT a cure, does not guarantee you won't get infected (witness the flu vaccine which in a good year has about a 50% effective rate) and does not stop you from transmitting the virus if it is harbored in your sinuses.

Maybe not, but just as for flu it will save millions of lives around the world over the next decade.

By the way, how do you maintain natural immunity to a mutating virus?

91 posted on 03/26/2020 10:11:56 AM PDT by semimojo
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To: a little elbow grease

I don’t mean to slight Dr. Fauci, but I wish Dr. Marc Siegel was the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases. There is just something about his personality that is naturally calming.


92 posted on 03/26/2020 10:12:48 AM PDT by willk (A bias news media is not a free press.)
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To: semimojo
Maybe not, but just as for flu it will save millions of lives around the world over the next decade.

Oh it will? Really? Where's the data to prove this? Did you get it from a CDC fact sheet?

Show me the peer reviewed double blind clinical studies proving the efficacy of the flu vaccine (Not some study that gathered a bunch of data from various publications about hospitalization rates). Show me the data that proves areas with higher rates of vaccination have lower rates of flu cases. Best of luck in your search.

By the way, how do you maintain natural immunity to a mutating virus?

Oh, yeah right...that little tidbit they feed the masses to explain why at best the flu vaccine is only 50% effective.

Ooopsie...guess we picked the wrong strain this time. But don't worry, next year we'll do better.

I'll tell you how you maintain natural immunity - by allowing normal healthy human beings let their own bodies create it naturally to a LIVE, REPLICATING VIRUS. Not some extracted protein or a killed or attenuated virus that your body does not recognize as a real threat.

I guess you are conceding that the vaccine does NOT prevent the ability to spread the virus. If so then can we at least agree to allow free citizens to choose whether or not they want to receive the vaccine, rather than trying to get Daddy Government to force it on those who don't want it?

93 posted on 03/26/2020 11:21:35 AM PDT by Shethink13 (there are 0 electoral votes in the state of denial)
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To: Shethink13
Show me the peer reviewed double blind clinical studies proving the efficacy of the flu vaccine (Not some study that gathered a bunch of data from various publications about hospitalization rates).

As you probably know there are ethical problems with withholding flu vaccine so the studies tend to be more observational, but they are compelling and rely on more than hospitalization rates.

Now show me the peer reviewed double blind clinical studies proving antibodies created in response to a live, replicating virus provide better protection than ones created in response to a vaccine created for that same strain.

I guess you are conceding that the vaccine does NOT prevent the ability to spread the virus.

Prevent? No. Attenuate? Yes.

then can we at least agree to allow free citizens to choose whether or not they want to receive the vaccine, rather than trying to get Daddy Government to force it on those who don't want it?

I don't know where you live but nowhere in the US requires flu vaccination as far as I know.

94 posted on 03/26/2020 12:03:57 PM PDT by semimojo
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To: semimojo

Explain to this old man how a virus can mutate a defense against the way hydroxychloroquine and zinc work to stop the reproductive process of the virus, any virus.


95 posted on 03/26/2020 12:15:25 PM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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Explain to this old man how a virus can mutate a defense against the way hydroxychloroquine and zinc work to stop the reproductive process of the virus, any virus.

Don't know how the drugs work or how effective they are but the question implies they should be effective against all viruses.

Or does the mechanism only work on this strain of COVID-19?

96 posted on 03/26/2020 12:23:28 PM PDT by semimojo
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To: semimojo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7F1cnWup9M&feature


97 posted on 03/26/2020 12:25:41 PM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: a little elbow grease

Don’t tell Chicken Little.


98 posted on 03/26/2020 12:26:07 PM PDT by Leep (Everyday is Trump Day!)
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To: semimojo

Zinc story begins about minute 1:40


99 posted on 03/26/2020 12:26:58 PM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: semimojo

Is there any virus which replicates without using the system of ribosomes in the living cell?


100 posted on 03/26/2020 12:28:22 PM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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