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Man attacked for wearing MAGA hat draws gun, sparks mall panic in Eastern Pa.
The Pittsburgh Post-Gazette ^ | January 8, 2020 | The Associated Press

Posted on 01/09/2020 11:35:34 AM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks

WILKES-BARRE, Pa. — An altercation over a man’s refusal to remove a “Make America Great Again” hat triggered a recent active shooter scare at a Pennsylvania mall, police said.

The altercation started outside when a man confronted another man wearing the hat in support of President Donald Trump inside the Wyoming Valley Mall in Wilkes-Barre on Dec. 30, authorities said Tuesday. The man threatened to assault the Trump supporter if he did not remove his hat, and then tried to knock it off his head.

(Excerpt) Read more at post-gazette.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events; US: Pennsylvania
KEYWORDS: 2ndamendment; assault; confrontation; gunfreezone; magahat; rkba; selfdefense; wilkesbarre; wyomingvalleymall
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To: Balding_Eagle; lee martell; be-baw; All
Wilkes-Barre Township Police Chief Will Clark said firearms are not permitted inside the mall, but the altercation happened outside near Macy’s.

The Pittsburgh Pest-Jizzette rewrote it to make him seem as though he might have done it inside the mall. The prick editor should be fired for cleverly mangling that AP text, so please disregard my previous remarks about him carrying inside the "gun-free zone."

21 posted on 01/09/2020 11:49:16 AM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Show me the people who own the land, the guns and the money, and I'll show you the people in charge.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
He did not get charged, in spite of his committing a technical trespass by carrying into the “gun-free zone” at the mall.

He did not get charged because firearms are not allowed inside the mall. Since he was outside when the altercation took place, the police filed no charges.

22 posted on 01/09/2020 11:50:27 AM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (The GOP never misses an opportunity to miss an opportunity.)
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To: TTFlyer

Sounds like pulling his gun was just a cautious move toward self-defense.


23 posted on 01/09/2020 11:51:08 AM PST by NEMDF
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To: albie
My wife got me a red cap that says “C-Works” on it. It’s a christian organization. I walked into Whole Foods wearing it. Hippies there got a good look at it. Even the “red” makes them crazy. Crazier than they already are. I had fun though.

Me too. I bought a red hat that has white lettering embroidered on the front that says, "Made You Look".

I have great fun watching the looks on the faces of snowflakes and the like when they see it. Got to have your head on a swivel though.

24 posted on 01/09/2020 11:52:48 AM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (The GOP never misses an opportunity to miss an opportunity.)
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To: circlecity
It happened exactly as it should have. He was legally carrying and the other man was going to assault him and fled when the man pulled out the firearm. Proves that just having a firearm and showing it is a deterrence.

He was in his right to defend himself with deadly force if needed.

A person has a God given right be able to defend themselves from harm and with whatever tools necessary. Since the police weren't available to confront the perp threatening assault, then the man had the right to defend himself.

25 posted on 01/09/2020 11:53:33 AM PST by dhs12345
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

>>He did not get charged, in spite of his committing a technical trespass by carrying into the “gun-free zone” at the mall.

According to the article the “gun-free zone” is INSIDE the mall, not outside in the parking lot.


26 posted on 01/09/2020 11:54:00 AM PST by vikingd00d (chown -R us ~you/base)
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To: Robert357

Hope he was wearing his brown pants.


27 posted on 01/09/2020 11:54:11 AM PST by Kozak (DIVERSITY+PROXIMITY=CONFLICT)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts

In my state, for concealed carriers, it matters not what the mall or store policy is as long as the gun remains concealed. The only exception are federal buildings, properties, and other venues where everyone inside must pass through metal detectors and armed security are present.

If you get caught carrying in a store that has a sign or policy that doesnt permit it, then they can demand you leave, but its not a legal violation.

But every state has their own laws. I dont know PA’s laws.


28 posted on 01/09/2020 11:54:36 AM PST by Magnum44 (My comprehensive terrorism plan: Hunt them down and kill them.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
If a suit goes to trial, the fact that he carried into a “gun-free zone” will not work in his favor, unfortunately.

He did no such thing. Firearms are not allowed inside the mall. He was outside. There was no "gun free zone" involved. Thus, no charges.

29 posted on 01/09/2020 11:54:52 AM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (The GOP never misses an opportunity to miss an opportunity.)
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To: albie

I want the red hat that says “Made you look!”


30 posted on 01/09/2020 11:55:07 AM PST by BudgieRamone (Everybody loves a bonk on the head.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

IF and when a MAGA hat wearer has to appear before a court...and has to prove a real threat to life existed..there is a video history showing serious violence against MAGA hat wearers.


31 posted on 01/09/2020 11:55:15 AM PST by Leep (Everyday is Trump Day!)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts

In PA, “No guns” signs mean “jack squat” unless asked to leave and you don’t while carrying. However, unless they can prove you carried onto their property knowingly——However, that’s hard to prove.


32 posted on 01/09/2020 11:56:45 AM PST by mikelets456
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Exercise of 1st Amendment resulting in exercise of 2nd Amendment - bump for later.....


33 posted on 01/09/2020 11:56:46 AM PST by indthkr
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Police: Man In ‘Make America Great Again’ Hat Takes Out Gun After Refusing To Remove Hat, Sparking Active Shooter Scare At Pa. Mall

Notice how the headline 'forgets' to mention that the man in the red hat was first assaulted (assault is carried out by a threat of bodily harm coupled with an apparent, present ability to cause the harm) then subjected to battery (actual harmful contact by the perpetrator).

In such a case, I would say that the man in the red hat had every right to defend himself, including the 'brandishing' of his firearm - another term incorrectly used. According to the article, the man displayed his firearm by holding it at his side, not in a menacing or threatening manner.

34 posted on 01/09/2020 11:59:39 AM PST by Quality_Not_Quantity (A law means nothing if it isnÂ’t followed.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

35 posted on 01/09/2020 12:00:01 PM PST by Yo-Yo ( is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: Kozak
Hope he was wearing his brown pants.

He's lucky he didn't end up wearing his red shirt.

36 posted on 01/09/2020 12:00:26 PM PST by Quality_Not_Quantity (A law means nothing if it isnÂ’t followed.)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts

I read the CBS version, so I’m now aware of that. Some prick editor at the Pittsburgh Pest-Jizzette re-wrote the sentence to make it seem like he might have been inside.


37 posted on 01/09/2020 12:01:12 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Show me the people who own the land, the guns and the money, and I'll show you the people in charge.)
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To: wastoute

I wouldn’t either, but those that do are asserting their right to do so. They deserve protection and support from us.


38 posted on 01/09/2020 12:01:29 PM PST by zipper (In their heart of hearts, all Democrats are communists.)
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To: Quality_Not_Quantity

I think he had every right to show his piece, whether inside the mall (the “gun-free zone”) or outside, as was actually the case.


39 posted on 01/09/2020 12:02:24 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Show me the people who own the land, the guns and the money, and I'll show you the people in charge.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

The Post Gazette misreported this line, or at best misled readers by making them think being near (ie in parking lot) a store that is inside the mall equates to being in the mall:

“... but the altercation happened near the Macy’s inside the mall”.

As reported by multiple other sources, it occurred “outside, near Macy’s”.


40 posted on 01/09/2020 12:05:03 PM PST by zencycler
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